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I am currently running three DNA projects and I have research to do on my own family problems and run three websites. Consequently, I can't give appropriate time to some of the problems involved with your DNA research.  For this reason I am posting this to all of you so that you will be able to learn more and to perhaps work on the DNA for your own family.  If anyone is interested in doing more with their DNA, I will advise, but I won't do it.  

Some of you have done YDNA research which follows the Y Chromosome.  This part of the DNA is passed down to male descendants and is not passed to female descendants.  It is extremely useful in proving whether or not your particular surname line is connected to someone else's line with the same surname.  It changes little over time so can connect back to a surname many generations before.  I have begged for descendants of various lines to take these tests to see if the various groups with the same surname were related or not.  In some cases they are, in others, they are not.  In some cases, people have discovered what we call non paternal events.  This means that your ancestor on paper is not your ancestor in fact.  It can come through adoption or through illegitimacy.  These is a lot more of this in the past than we think.  I don't mention this much because no one wants to think that their ancestors were up to hanky panky.  But they were, just as much as today.  And I know of one incident where the father died, the mother remarried and all of the children took their stepfather's name.  It took us a long time to figure that out. Unfortunately, many genealogy researchers are female and it absolutely drives us crazy that we can't get our male relatives to take a test.  And in some cases, the name has died out in that line which is just very frustrating.     

Some of you have taken mtDNA tests which follow the female line.  This is inherited by the female descendants.  It does not pass through the male line.  So if you took one of these tests you would have the same mtDNA as the mother of your mother of your mother etc.  You may have seen in the newspapers the case of Richard II whose bones were identified using this mtDNA. [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exhumation_of_Richard_III_of_England ] However, in practical terms it is pretty useless for genealogy purposes.  You may have a lot of matches, but a woman passes this on to all her daughters who pass it to all their daughters etc for many generations with almost no change.  I don't know of anyone who has made a major find with this.  I suppose someone has, but I don't recommend this test particularly. It has been more of a headache to me than anything else.  

The test that is best for many people is one of the autosomal DNA tests.  What happens with DNA is that each parent provides from 40 to 60 percent of a person's DNA.  This is passed down again and again.  So you have, for example, some DNA from your gggrandfather and your gggrandmother.  These autosomal tests allow you to compare your DNA with that of others to see the segments of DNA which you share with other people.  When you share a segment, you absolutely share an ancestor which may be near or far depending on the size of the segment.  Then you share trees to figure out where you match.  This is a fascinating study.  It is one of the best ways to discover unknown wives, for example.  Suppose that you have a person who is a Mr. YYY living in Anson County, North Carolina in 1825 where many of the records were burnt.  If you are a descendant of that Mr. YYY you might find a Mr. XXX descendant from the same county and share a segment with that person.  If so, it is a good bet that one of the unknown wives is connected to the other family.  Which one?  You have to find more descendants of each one.  Suppose that Mr. YYY had three sons.  The descendants of one of these sons shares DNA the descendants of Mr. XXX, but descendants of the other two sons don't.  This pretty much proves which son married the daughter of Mr. XXX. This is a lot like working a jigsaw puzzle.  You find two pieces that fit together and then you have to figure out how the pieces fit around them.  

It is a wonderful adjunct to traditional genealogy.  But it is worthless without traditional genealogy. And it may or may not work in any specific case.  All you can do is try.  

I have a DNA cousin [distant] who matches me on a small segment.  He and his twin sister and his wife all match me which is why I know him.  He is trying to figure out the small match with his wife. Although he and I match his wife and his twin sister, his twin sister does not match his wife.  I can't even begin to explain this. It just is.  The way that DNA is inherited is simply random.  And sometimes bits from very early ancestors are the ones which happen to be passed on.  Sometimes it is the new bits that are passed on.   I bring this up to point out that nothing in this is certain but it is fascinating to work with.  

There are currently three companies which are doing autosomal testing.  One of these is FTDNA which does Family Finder.  It is $99.  Another is 23andme which also does it for $99.  Ancestry also does it, but I think it has some drawbacks.  If you have a test from FTDNA or 23andme,  you can upload that data to GEDMATCH.com to find more matches, clarify the matches you have and find matches with people who tested at another company.  I personally really like the way FTDNA is displayed, but 23andme also has the advantage of acquiring health data. Unfortunately, you can't compare your results very easily.  I have personally done both.  

The human genome is very large and the companies do not test the whole thing.  There are parts of your DNA which dictate the fact that you are human beings not elephants and run your body, but there is also a different kind of DNA .  It changes faster than the first parts of your DNA and it is these parts which the companies test.  

I bought a couple of books on DNA and genealogy which were published two years ago. Both of them are totally out of date.  DNA research and genetics is changing too fast to keep up with in books.  The internet is a much better source for study.  There are a number of sites and a number of blogs which do keep up with current events.  I am listing some of these below.  You will find more if you look.  

I urge every one of you who has done YDNA tests to consider an autosomal test at one of the companies. They are cheaper now than in the past. If you have a kit on file, you do not have to send another one.  Just contact the company and say I want to upgrade my YDNA kit to an autosomal kit.  They can use the same sample on FTDNA. Remember you did more than one swab? And if you have done an autosomal test at any of the companies such as FF on FTDNA or on 23andme or on Ancestry, PLEASE upload your data to GEDMATCH.com  Please.  For one thing, you can do a specific match to another kit by entering the kit number.  

If you do this, PLEASE send me your kit numbers for reference.  If people want me to I can maintain a list of various family group kits to share between you.  I do not want to publish them, but if you are related anyway, I see no downside to sharing your kit numbers.  But that would only be if you choose to, obviously.  All of you know that I have been extremely careful with everyone's privacy. I don't even pass out email addresses without permission.  But if you send the kit number to me, I can at least help you out with it.    

One of the reasons I have done little lately is that I became discouraged about it.  I was told time and again that you can't get a worth while match farther back than 4  generations.  However, experts no longer believe that this is necessarily true.  It is based upon the idea that each parent contributes exactly 50% of the DNA so in theory in a few generations it could be down to very little.  But that is not in fact how DNA works.  I have heard of matches back 8-9-10 generations.  They are rare, but they do exist.  You have to assume that there might be a closer match and look hard for it.  But if you work your matches you can tell the difference.  And those can often be in tiny matches that don't show up normally.  You have to look for them.  GEDMATCH is the best way at the present time to do that.  

The first thing you should do is join this DNA Group List. It is for Newbies. It is run by some gurus who know a whole lot more than any of us.  It is a great place to ask questions.   
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/DNA-NEWBIE/info


GEDMATCH
For uploading your data to GEDMATCH, see www.gedmatch.com  If you are uploading from FTDNA be sure to include the separate data on the X Chromosome which FTDNA tests but doesn't not show.  This accounts for some of the discrepancies we see where the total Cm is more than the total of the segments. This had bothered me before I found out that. Gedmatch will allow you to see those. It will also allow me to compare those of you who do NOT match on FTDNA but should match. The different companies use different algorithms to do this which creates different results.   

Blogs:
See the following blogs on DNA research. You should probably join some of these blogs.  They may cause your brain to heat up reading them the first time.  My brain has had to be cooled with adult beverages on several evenings as I have studied these kinds of blogs.  Just don't give up.  And work your DNA results. Just start with your close matches and work your way out.  As you do you will learn. Actually it is a lot like learning to cook.  Anybody can do it if they just start with the easy bits.  

This one describes what you can do with your FTDNA Family Finder data
Go to the Legal Genealogist site. In the upper right hand corner do a search for the following words:  new family finder
You will get a number of great articles.  She writes one on DNA every weekend.
http://www.legalgenealogist.com/

This is a Wiki from ISOGG [International Society of Genetic Genealogists.] It may be a good place to start.
http://www.isogg.org/wiki/Wiki_Welcome_Page
They off and on run online classes.  

This is a blog by CeCe Moore.  She is one of the top genetic genealogists in the US today.  
http://www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com/
She also runs classes etc.  


I am in love with this one.  He talks about why things are not totally predictable.  
http://dna-explained.com/2013/10/21/why-are-my-predicted-cousin-relationships-wrong/

This is great, but do not attempt it without a brain cooling beverage at hand.  
http://gcbias.org/2013/05/10/identification-of-genomic-regions-shared-between-distant-relatives/

As it happens some of the absolutely sites for learning about using DNA and the best use of the data on these DNA companies are on a site intended for adoptees searching for their birth families.  But anyone can use the sites.  They won't care.  

How to use Gedmatch:
http://dnaadoption.com/UsingGEDMatch.aspx

How to use 23andme
http://dnaadoption.com/DNATests/23andMe/TheBasicsat23andMe.aspx

How to use Family Finder on FTDNA
http://dnaadoption.com/DNATests/FTDNA.aspx

June Byrne  [email protected]