Crail.htm

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ELDER in FIFE:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nancyelder/ed/Fife.htm

DNA in Pittenweem, Fife
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nancyelder/ed/FifePittenweem.htm

The MISTS OF MOIGH, Newsletter of Clan Mackintosh of North America
November 2007, page 3
PHOTO
DAVE ELDER, Councillor
"My Great Grandfather left the little fishing villages of
Anstruther and Pittenweem in Fifeshire, Scotland.
He was a blacksmith by trade and undoubtedly came (in 1852) to work
on the railroads which were showing remarkable growth in the
developing Canada. I am proud of my Scottish roots.
On our trips to Scotland, I have stood on High Street in the town
where he lived as a lad and gazed across the Firth of Forth and
looked at Edinburgh on the southern horizon,
as he must have done..."
George ELDER (b. 1811 E. Anstruther, Fife - d. Ontario, Canada)
John ELDER (b. 1769 Crail, Fife)

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JOHN ELDER, b. 1806 in CRAIL, FIFE, SCOTLAND Map - CRAIL TO PERTH
who immigrated to Paterson, NJ and CT

Possible relative of: John Elder (born 5 August 1769 Crail, Fife, married to Mary Muir --or Moor).
Descendant immigrated to Ontario, Canada.

or Possible relative of: Robert Elder, b. 1750 Edinburgh
Daughter Grace ELDER m. John CASSELLS, immigrated to Wisconsin
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nancyelder/ed/Cassells.htm

LDS:    Grace ELDER (AFN: 1KH1-VDT)
Birth:   26 Jul 1806 Edinburgh, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
Death:   2 Jan 1875    Tomah, Monroe, Wisconsin
Father:   Robert ELDER (AFN: 1KH1-TX0) , b. 1780 Edinburgh
Mother:   Cuthbert MARGARET (AFN: 1KH1-VBF)
Marriage(s)
Spouse:   John CASSELS (AFN: 1KH1-V5D) Res: Markinch, Fife, Scotland
Marriage:   10 Dec 1830 Auchtermuchty, Fife, Scotland
Spouse2:   John ROBERTSON (AFN: 1KH1-VCM) Marriage:   1844 Tomah, Monroe, Wisconsin

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Thanks to John Henry ELDER, the 4th
for 1826 Poem from Rev. Thomas CHALMERS of University of St. Andrews
To ELIZABETH ELDER:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nancyelder/ed/RevThomasChalmersCrail1826.jpg

Photos of CRAIL - "EAST NEUK WIDE"
http://www.eastneukwide.co.uk/pic_tour/crail/index.html

Walks - CRAIL to ST. ANDREWS
http://www.eastneukwide.co.uk/tourist/walks/crail-standrews.html

More about "EAST NEUK" (East "corner" of Fife)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/scottishhistory/europe/trails_europe_eastneuk.shtml

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WorldConnect database:
at
http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=ejmurphyii&id=I0235
by Edward J. Murphy

# ID: I0235
# Name: John Henry ELDER ELM GROVE CEMETERY, CT - CHARLES and THOMAS families
# Sex: M
# Birth: 9 JUN 1806 in Crail, Scotland
# Death: 1 DEC 1898 in Poquonock, CT [Hartford Co CT] Mapquest - Hartford City to Poquonock CT

Father: John Henry ELDER b: 24 NOV 1775 in St. Andrews, Scotland
Mother: Elizabeth HILL b: 24 JAN 1771 in Crail, Scotland

Marriage 1 Euphemia PENNEY b: 1809 in Scotland
    * Married: 24 NOV 1827 in Crail, Scotland
Children
   1. David ELDER b: 1829
   2. Elizabeth ELDER b: 1831
   3. John ELDER b: 1833
   4. Margaret ELDER b: 1836
   5. William ELDER b: 1837
   6. Fanny ELDER b: 1839 in Scotland
   7. Isabel ELDER b: 1841
   8. Mary ELDER b: 1843
   9. Jane ELDER b: 1844

Marriage 2 Anne SMITH b: 1839 in Scotland
    * Married: 18 APR 1857 in Paterson, NJ
Children
   1. William ELDER
   2. Anne ELDER b: 27 MAY 1858 in Paterson, NJ
   3. Charles ELDER b: 19 SEP 1864
   4. Thomas ELDER b: MAY 1869
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WorldConnect
by Edward J. Murphy
http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=ejmurphyii&id=I0404
# ID: I0404
# Name: Thomas ELDER
# Sex: M
# Birth: MAY 1869
# Death: 1918

Father: John Henry ELDER b: 9 JUN 1806 in Crail, Scotland
Mother: Anne SMITH b: 1839 in Scotland

Marriage 1 Elizabeth HAMMAN b: 1867

Children
1. John Henry ELDER III
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Obituary of JOHN HENRY ELDER, b. 1806 Crail, Fife, Scotland
d. 1898 in Poquonock, Hartford Co, Connecticut

"Passing Away of Well Known Citizen of Poqounock--He was the Father of 21 Children."
("Special to "The Post.") 1898
Poquonock. Dec. 1.
-- The death of John ELDER took place at
1 o'clock this morning after a brief illness of a few days at the
advanced age of 92 years and six months.
He was 58 years a resident of the United States, having migrated
with his family of seven children and wife from Fifeshire, Scotland,
in 1840. His first settlement was at Paterson, New Jersey, where he
was employed as a cabinet maker in one of the silk mills for 25
years.
When the late Peter Adams moved from New Jersey to this state
[Connecticut], he brought Mr. ELDER with him and employed him
for seven years in his paper mill at Buckland.
He afterwards moved to Rainbow and for four
years was in the employ of Hon. George W. Hodge in his paper mill.
When the Tunxis worsted mills were opened in 1875 Superintendent
Samuel W. Metcalf induced Mr. ELDER to take charge of his pattern
woodwork. Here he remained for nearly 15 years and on account of old
age, was then compelled to retire from active business.
Mr. ELDER was a born mechanic. Could fashion wood into almost any
design. To him is given the credit of setting up the first silk loom
in Paterson, N.J., and he was the inventor of an expansion roll
generally attached to all machines for making paper.
Mr. ELDER cast his first vote at the election of President Taylor.
He was always an ardent Republican and at the state election a few
weeks ago insisted on walking to the polls and casting his vote for
Lounsbury and sound money. He was twice married and was the father
of 15 children by his first wife and six by his second wife, who
survives him. Five only of his children are alive at present, two of
whom are Charles and Thomas Elder of this village.

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1850 (Ancestry.com)
Name: John Elder
Age: 43
Estimated birth year: abt 1807
Birth Place: Scotland
Gender: Male
Home in 1850(City,County,State): Paterson, Passaic, New Jersey

Source Citation: Year: 1850; Census Place: Paterson, Passaic, New
Jersey; Roll: M432_461; Page: 304; Image: 364.
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Household:
John Elder Paterson, Passaic, NJ abt 1807 Scotland (Occ: Carpenter)
Fanny Elder Paterson, Passaic, NJ abt 1809 Scotland
Margaret Elder Paterson, Passaic, NJ abt 1838 Scotland
William Elder Paterson, Passaic, NJ abt 1839 Scotland
Fanny Elder Paterson, Passaic, NJ abt 1840 Scotland
Isabella Elder Paterson, Passaic, NJ abt 1842 Scotland
Mary Elder Paterson, Passaic, NJ abt 1843 New Jersey
Jane Elder Paterson, Passaic, NJ abt 1844 New Jersey

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1860 (Ancestry.com)
Name:   John Elder
Age in 1860: 53
Birth Year: abt 1807
Birthplace: Scotland
Home in 1860: Paterson South Ward, Passaic, New Jersey
Gender: Male
Post Office: Paterson
Household Members:
Name Age
John Elder 53 Scotland   (Occ: ----)
Ann Elder 21 New Jersey (1839)
Louise Elder 11.12 Scotland
Issabella Elder 18 New Jersey (Occ: Paper Worker)
Mary Elder 16 New Jersey       (Occ: Paper Worker)
Jane Elder 13 Ireland?
Anna Elder 9   New Jersey

Source Citation: Year: 1860; Census Place: Paterson South Ward,
Passaic, New Jersey; Roll: M653_706; Page: 928; Image: 633.

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1870 (Ancestry.com)
Name: John Elder
Estimated birth year: abt 1806
Age in 1870: 64
Birthplace: Scotland
Home in 1870: Manchester, Hartford, Connecticut
Race: White
Gender: Male
Post Office: Manchester
Source Citation: Year: 1870; Census Place: Manchester, Hartford,
Connecticut; Roll: M593_103; Page: 58; Image: 318.

Household:
John Elder Manchester, Hartford, CT abt 1806 Scotland (Occ: Mill Wright)
Ann Elder Manchester, Hartford, CT abt 1838 Scotland
Anna Elder Manchester, Hartford, CT abt 1851 New Jersey
Chas Elder Manchester, Hartford, CT abt 1864 Connecticut
Thomas Elder Manchester, Hartford, CT abt 1868 Connecticut
Mary Smith Works in paper mill age 50 (1820) Scotland

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TITLE: FOWLERS, LANGLANDS AND ELDERS See: * JOHN ELDER, CRAIL
posted by FIFE FAMILY HISTORY SOCIETY
at
http://www.fifefhs.org/Publications/Past%20journal/april1993-4.htm

>In the FFHS Journal Vol 5 No 1 of September 1992, we listed a number of famous emigrants from
Fife who made a significant contribution to the development of the country in which they settled.
This article will deal with three of these emigrants, and their families, who founded leading stores/merchant houses in Australia. AUSTRALIA

FOWLERS
JAMES FOWLER (1831-1858) of Cellardyke, was the first of his family to emigrate to Australia, and with his brother,
DAVID, founded the great merchant house in Adelaide of D & J FOWLER.
Their grandfather, Captain David Fowler, a shipmaster in Anstruther, had traded with the Baltic and
Scottish ports in the latter half of the 18th century and early 19th, and had perished in a storm off the Hebrides in c 1812.
His son, JAMES FOWLER (1794-1872), broke the family maritime tradition, and was apprenticed as a joiner in the
Nethergate, Crail, under JOHN ELDER (1806-1898), who later emigrated to the USA in 1840 and set up the first power-loom *ELDER in CRAIL
to be operated in Paterson, New Jersey.
Subsequently, James went into partnership in Anstruther with his brother-in-law, under the firm of Swan and Fowler.
When Swan sailed for America in 1822, Fowler took over the general merchant's business in Cellardyke, belonging to
his mother-in-law, Mrs Anderson - he was m to Rhea Anderson.(1797-1866) - and it was into this business that his
sons, DAVID (1826-1881), JAMES (1831-1858), and GEORGE SWAN FOWLER (1839-1896), were brought up...."
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GEORGE ELDER (1785-1868), the son of William Elder, merchant, South Leith, had come to Kirkcaldy by 1812,
when he had married JOANNA HADDON LANG (1795-1857), dau of Alexander Lang, candlemaker, South Leith,
and opened business as a hardware merchant and shipowner in the High Street.
He was the father of four sons who established a great merchant house in Adelaide,
eventually known as ELDER SMITH & CO...."

AlexanderLangElder-Census - 1861-1871-1881 -- England

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Reference: New York Public Library:

Author Legoe, M. I. (Mary Isobel), 1898-
Title A family affair / by M.I. Legoe.
Imprint [Adelaide : M.I. Legoe], 1982.
Location Call Number Status
Humanities- History & Genealogy
AVHH (Elder) 85-1426 AVAILABLE
Description 87 p., [1] folded leaf of plates : ill. ; 23 cm.
Subject Elder family.

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LDS
GEORGE ELDER
   Male
Event(s):
Birth:    26 JAN 1785    Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
Parents:
   Father:   WILLIAM ELDER Family
   Mother:   AGNES BAIN

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1861 (Ancestry.com)
Name: William Elder
Age: 55
Estimated birth year: abt 1806
Relationship: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Crail, Fifeshire
Registration Number: 417/1
Registration district: Crail Burgh
Civil parish: Crail Burgh
County: Fife
Address: Nethergate
Occupation: Mason-journeyman
ED: 7
Household schedule number: 20
Line: 15
Roll: CSSCT1861_54
Household Members:
Name Age
William Elder 55
Andrew Brown 21 (brother) Occ: fisherman
Clara Brown 23 (sister) Occ: dressmaker
Mary Brown 28 (lodger) Occ: dressmaker
Euphemia Elder 23 (daughter) Occ: domestic servant
Isobella Elder 9 (daughter) (1852)
John Elder 13 (son) b. 1848
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WorldConnect
by Heather Whitwell
e-mail: [email protected]
http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=whitwell&id=I7903
Another GEORGE ELDER:
# ID: I7903
# Name: George ELDER
# Given Name: George
# Surname: ELDER
# Sex: M
# Birth: 2 Jul 1811 in Easter Anstruther, Fife, Scotland
# Christening: 23 Jul 1811
# Death: 14 Jul 1868 in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
# Burial: 17 Jul 1868 York Street Cemetery, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada

Marriage 1 Margaret CORNFOOT b: 26 May 1813 in Pittenweem, Fife,
Scotland
        c: 30 May 1813 in Pittenweem, Fife, Scotland
    * Married: 19 May 1833 in Pittenweem, Fife, Scotland
Children
   1. Williamina ELDER b: 8 Mar 1835 in Pittenweem, Fife, Scotland c: 26 Mar 1835 in Pittenweem, Fife, Scotland
   2. Alexander Andrew ELDER b: 11 Feb 1837 in Dundee, Angus, Scotland c: 12 Mar 1837 in Dundee, Angus, Scotland
   3. George ELDER b: Abt 1839 in Dundee, Forfarshire, Scotland
   4. James ELDER b: Abt 1841 in Pittenweem, Fife, Scotland
   5. William ELDER b: 15 Jun 1843 in South Leith, Edinburgh, Scotland
   6. John ELDER b: 13 Sep 1846 in Bowling Green St., South Leith, Midlothian, Scotland
          c: 11 Oct 1846 in Bowling Green St., South Leith, Midlothian, Scotland
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WorldConnect
by John Ireland
http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:3322887&id=I08475

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# ID: I8475
# Name: Andrew ELDER
# Sex: M
# Birth: 1739 in St. Monance

Marriage 1 Magdalene BISSOT b: 21 JUN 1743 in St. Monance
    * Married: 28 DEC 1764 in St. Monance
Children
   1. Andrew ELDER b: 19 MAY 1765 in St. Monance
   2. James ELDER b: 8 OCT 1767 in St. Monance
   3. Thomas ELDER b: 2 DEC 1772 in St. Monance
   4. John ELDER b: 2 DEC 1772 in St. Monance
   5. Alexander ELDER b: 10 AUG 1776 in St. Monance
   6. Isabell ELDER b: 9 DEC 1778 in St. Monance
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WorldConnect
by John Ireland
# ID: I9517
# Name: George ELDER
# Sex: M
# Birth: 23 JUL 1811 in Anstruther Easter

Father: John ELDER b: 2 DEC 1772 in St. Monance St. Monance: Near Pittenweem on the coast
Mother: Mary MUIR b: 25 NOV 1772 in Pittenweem

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FATHER:
# Name: John ELDER
# Sex: M
# Birth: 2 DEC 1772 in St. Monance

Father: Andrew ELDER b: 1739 in St. Monance
Mother: Magdalene BISSOT b: 21 JUN 1743 in St. Monance

Marriage 1 Mary MUIR b: 25 NOV 1772 in Pittenweem
    * Married: 12 NOV 1796 in Anstruther Easter
Children
   1. James ELDER b: 20 SEP 1797 in Anstruther Easter
   2. William ELDER b: 11 APR 1799 in Anstruther Easter
   3. John ELDER b: 1 OCT 1801 in Anstruther Easter
   4. George ELDER b: 23 JUL 1811 in Anstruther Easter
   5. David ELDER b: 20 SEP 1817 in Anstruther Easter

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Webpage by John Gibson Chalmers - William Bruce and Esther Elder
http://www.chalmers-family.org/phpgedview/index.php

WorldConnect
by Doug Cargill
http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=hmsresolute1&id=I4915
# ID: I4915
# Name: Thomas Elder
# Surname: Elder
# Given Name: Thomas
# Sex: M
# Birth: 10 Oct 1857 in Pittenweem, Fife 1 2
# Occupation: fisherman 1881 Pittenweem, Fife 3
# Event: Living 1891 Pittenweem, Fife
# Event: Living 1901 Kinghorn, Fife
# Event: Living 1881 Pittenweem, Fife 1
# Note:
    (at East Shore- from Annette Rogers)
    (at Walls Court, 60 High Street -from Annette Rogers)
    (at Westshore Still Park)

Father: Alexander Elder
Mother: Euphemia Millar

Marriage 1 Elizabeth Ramsay Lindsay b: 11 Feb 1858 in Pittenweem,
Fife
    * Married: 7 Mar 1879 in Pittenweem, Fife
    * Note: (from Annette Rogers)
Children
   1. Elizabeth Elder b: ABT 1880 in Pittenweem, Fife
   2. Euphemia Elder b: 1881 in Pittenweem, Fife
   3. Jessie Elder b: 1883 in Pittenweem, Fife
   4. Alexander Elder b: 1886 in Pittenweem, Fife
   5. Thomasina Elder b: 1888 in Pittenweem, Fife
   6. Johan Elder b: 1889 in Pittenweem, Fife
   7. Isabella Elder b: 1891 in Pittenweem, Fife
   8. Robert Elder b: 1894 in Kirkcaldy, Fife
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Researching More about Rev. THOMAS CHALMERS...
bio:
http://www.newble.co.uk/chalmers/biography.html

and
WorldConnect
by George Maclennan
http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:3081585&id=I1576
# ID: I1576
# Name: Thomas (Dr.) CHALMERS
# Given Name: Thomas (Dr.)
# Surname: Chalmers
# Sex: M
# Birth: 17 MAR 1780 in Ansthruther, Fife, Scotland
# Death: 3 MAY 1847 in Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
# Occupation: Ph.D. Divinity
# Note: Chalmers entered St Andrews University at the age of 11.
Returning to the University as assistant to the Professor of
Mathematics (1823), and as Professor of Moral Philosophy.
Professor of Divinity at Edinburgh University
Moderator of the General Assembly of the Church of Scotland in 1832
First Moderator of the Free Church of Scotland.

Father: John CHALMERS b: 3 NOV 1740 in Anstruther Easter, Fife,
Scotland
Mother: Elizabeth HALL b: 20 FEB 1750 in Crail, Fife, Scotland

Marriage 1 [Grace] PRATT [dau of Capt. James PRATT]
* Married: [9 AUG 1812 ] in Anstruther Easter, Fife, Scotland
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LDS FamilySearch.org
FREDRICK ELDER
Spouse: JANE PRAT
Marriage: 02 APR 1815 Ceres, Fife, Scotland

Map Directions - Crail to Ceres (just north of Upper Largo)

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Google for "ELDER FAMILY" in QUEENSLAND
ENTRY on ELDER GENFORUM:
Query Posted by CATHERINE, e-mail: [email protected]
at
http://genforum.genealogy.com/elder/messages/1900.html
>"I am researching the family of David Elder, a blacksmith, and his wife Barbara Ross.
They were married at Crail, Fife, Scotland in 1861.
David was the son of James Elder and Christian Galloway.
Davids children were:
1. Christian Ross Elder b 1861 in Crail married George WEBSTER.
2. James Elder b 1864 Lancaster, England married Laura ROSE.
3. Barbara b 1866 Lancaster, England married Daniel CLOWES.
4. Margaret b 1868 Crail, Scotland, married Arthur BENSLEY
5. David Ross b 1870 Crail, married Louisa Anne DUTNEY.
6. Elizabeth Clark b 1871 in Crail, married George Herbert DUTNEY.
7. John Ross b 1871 at Crail married Elizabeth RAPCON.
8. Thomas b 1873 at Crail.
9. Jessie b 1876 at Crail. Married name Allen
10. Davina b 1877 at Crail. married Clement James STUBBIN.
11. Robert
12 Phillip b abt 1885 in Queensland, Australia.
The family went to Queensland, Australia in 1884.
They settled in Rosewood, Queensland.
David Elder died 1921 in Ipswich. Barbara Ross died 1926.

>"I would like to locate furthur info on this family.
Catherine
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REPLY Posted by: Suzanne Kijurina     Date: September 26, 2011
In Reply to: David Elder and Barbara Ross family by Catherine
>"Hi Catherine, Barbara Ross was my GG Aunt and I have only recently found that she came to Australia. I thought my G Grandfather, James Brown Ross, was the first one in my family to come to Australia in 1884 but apparently Barbara, the aunty , and her nephew, my fellow who came to Sydney, and his cousin, Jessie Ross Peattie who went to Brisbane all came in 1884. Jessie was the daughter of Margaret (Peggy) Ross who married Thomas Peattie. Peggy was the sister of James Taylor Ross who was the father of my James Brown Ross.
I would love to share information with you.
cheers,
Suzanne
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Book cited: "The last of the Crail Elders / Joyce W.P. Hampson.
          35, xvii p. : ill., geneal. tables, ports. ; 21 cm.
Published: Brisbane : J.W.P. Hampson, 1992.
Listed in:
John Oxley Library, South Brisbane, QLD 4102 Australia
and
State Library of Queensland, Brisbane, AU-QL 4101 Australia
Book Available: In storage. Request then collect from level 4 (P 929.2099 ham )

Rosewood, Queensland, AUS to BRISBANE 60.7 miles 47 min. ( NE to Brisbane)
map
http://goo.gl/maps/eCrRh