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IV - JOSEPH ELDER, SR., son of Robert, was born November 16, 1770 and  died August 7, 1858.  He married
          Jane Walker, who was descended from the Walkers of Revolutionary  fame.  Jane was niece of Jonathan Walker,
          former Judge of Supreme Court of Pennsylvania Her cousin, Robert J. Walker, was a member of President Polk's
          cabinet.  Jane Walker and her sister were both famed for their beauty and cleverness. (From The Home Monthly
           of Jan 1899, a magazine then printed in Pittsburgh.)  At about this time Samuel Elder and his wife had celebrated
           their 65th wedding anniversary .  Samuel was a son of Joseph Elder, Sr., and brother to Joseph, Jr.

 V - JOSEPH ELDER, JR., born December 23, 1811, died June 27, 1868, married Eliza Penrose, who was born
        November 1816 and died September 1889. Joseph Elder, father of Mrs.
        Elizabeth Elder Shoup (b Dec 1, 1849) was of Scotch-Irish ancestry and first settled in Path Valley,
        Franklin County, subsequently removing to Ligonier Valley, Westmoreland County.
        There he became the owner of 160 acres which he succeeded in clearing, incontrovertible evidence of
        his enterprise and perseverance.
        Politically Mr. Elder was originally a Whig, but  later identified himself with the Republicans.  He and his wife were
        members of the Presbyterian Church of Ligonier.  Mr. Elder married Eliza Penrose and their children were:
        Mary, m John G. Lowry of Beaver Falls, Pa;
        Margaret became the wife of Thomas Smith of Ligonier; William A. of Ligonier; and Elizabeth McFarland who
        became wife of Henry A. Shoup.  Mr. Elder died in Ligonier Valley.
         (This from "Old & New Westmoreland" Vol III, pp2l8-19)
          Margaret Elder, the daughter of Joseph Elder, Jr., was born January 8, 1848 and died April 14, 1918.  She
          married Thomas J. Smith who was born 1840 and died 1895, and their children were Ralph, Nellie, Carl, Alice
         and Harry.  See more about them under the Smith record.
         Our Grandmother Margaret Elder Smith was raised on what later became known as the Shirey Farm, a
         couple miles west of Ligonier and just east of the Colonial Inn formerly owned and operated by Maude Patterson
           and now (1989) run by Vic Smith,Jr.(no kin).  Grandmother's father was Joseph Elder, Jr., and he lived in the
          smaller house which sits back a ways from the big house.  Joseph Jr.'s brother, a more recent "Colonel" Elder,
           lived in the big house.

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Robert Elder d. 1807 Will in Franklin Co.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nancyelder/RobToJos1807Will.htm

Ligonier Valley cemetery just outside  of Ligonier:                        Photo of marker in BELL plot
Section I, row 4:
Joseph Elder, Jr. b. 1811- d. 1868
also his father: Joseph Sr., b. 1770 (in Franklin Co)-d.1858            Photo  Col. Samuel ELDER marker
and Eliza (Penrose) Elder, 1816-1889.
--DAR Record of Joseph Jr.'s daughter Mary W. ELDER LOWRY
   WALKER family from Franklin Co. Rev War Soldiers

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Francesca ELDER BOONE's census pages for Joseph Sr and Jr., William, John Franklin Sr and Jr. :
1850    M432_836 Page 8       -- Joseph Elder Jr and Sr
1860    M653_1195 Page 560  --Joseph Jr, Eliza, Mary, John M.,Margaret, Elizabeth,William A.
1870   M593_1465 Page 375  -- Eliza, Elizabeth, William
1880   T9-1203 Page 165D      --Eliza,William and wife Lettie
1900   T623_1498 Page 14      -- William A, Lettie A, John F.
1910   T624_1304 Page 148    --John F., Anna, William
1920    T625_1513 Page 98     --John F., Anna, William, John F.,jr.
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Nancy Elder Petersen's census pages:
1800 Fannett, Franklin Co PA            M32 Roll 38 P. 940
1810 Fannett,Franklin Co PA             M252 Roll 54 P. 309
1820 Metal, Franklin Co PA                M33 Roll 101 P. 115
1830 Fannett, Franklin Co PA            M19 Roll 151 P. 219
1840 Fannett, Franklin Co PA            M704 Roll 458 P. 263
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Heritage Quest index for Joseph Elder, Franklin Co PA
1800:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nancyelder/ed/JosephElder1800CensusPA.pdf
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1810
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nancyelder/ed/JosephElder1810CensusPA.pdf
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1820
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com~nancyelder/ed/JosephElder1820CensusPA.pdf
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1830
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nancyelder/ed/JosephElder1830CensusPA.pdf
Male 5-10 = 1
Male 50-60 = 1
Female 15-20 = 1
Female 40-50 = 1
Female 50-60 =1
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1840
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com~nancyelder/ed/JosephElder1840CensusPA.pdf
Male 0-5 = 1
Male 20-30 = 1
Male 30-40 = 1
Female 15-20 = 1
Female 20-30 = 1
Female 70-80 - 1

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