A group of RAMSEY/RAMSAY researchers have started a RAMSEY/RAMSAY DNA project. To participate you have to be a male with the last name of RAMSEY/RAMSAY. The Y chromosome is passed from father to son unchanged, except for a mutation about every 500 generations. Testing the Y chromosome will provide us with a genetic finger print consisting of 1 - 67 numbers. By comparing this finger print to others with the surname RAMSEY/RAMSAY, we can determine if we are related. If you are not a male with the last name of RAMSEY/RAMSAY you can have someone else do it for you, your husband if he is a RAMSEY/RAMSAY, a brother, cousin, uncle, father, or grandfather.
We recommend testing at 37 markers for the best value and narrowing your focus quickly and you can upgrade later. Frequently asked questions can be found at www.ftdna.com/faq.html.
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If you're intrigued about finding more about your ancestors now and would like a free evaluation to see if your line is already part of your heritage quest click HERE!
The objectives of Surname Projects vary. Here are a few:
*Identify others who are related
*Prove or disprove theories regarding ancestors
*Solve brick walls in your research
*Determine a location for further research
*Validate existing research
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Pricing for the various tests are;
12 markers for $99.
25 markers for $148.
37 markers for $189.
67 markers for $269.
If you have already purchased a test and wish to upgrade the various prices are;
12-25 markers - $49
12-37 markers - $99
12-67 markers - $189
25-37 markers - $49
25-67 markers - $148
37-67 markers - $99
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Click this button to login and upgrade your current Kit then click "order tests" on the right side of page The password is the "code" number that was sent to you with your Kit number.
Please note that people in different Haplogroups cannot be related
within many thousands of years, and that each male test result provides a prediction
of the Haplogroup currently about 90% of the time. In general the following
rule of thumb may be used:
Haplogroup Designation
R1b Western Europe
R1a Eastern Europe
I Nordic
J2 Semitic
E3b Semitic
Q3 Native American
Unique Y-DNA12 marker strings: 19
Result Strings Count
13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 14 13 30 4
13 24 15 11 11 14 12 12 12 14 13 30 3
13 25 14 11 11 13 12 12 12 13 14 30 2
13 23 14 10 13 14 11 14 11 12 11 28 2
13 23 14 10 13 14 11 14 11 12 12 28 1
13 23 14 11 10 14 12 12 13 13 13 29 1
13 23 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 29 1
13 23 14 11 11 15 12 12 12 14 13 31 1
13 23 15 10 11 14 12 12 13 13 13 28 1
13 24 13 10 16 18 11 12 11 13 11 30 1
13 24 14 10 17 19 11 12 11 13 11 30 1
13 24 14 10 17 19 11 12 12 13 11 30 1
13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 11 13 13 29 1
14 23 14 12 11 14 12 12 12 12 13 28 1
14 23 15 10 14 15 11 13 11 12 12 30 1
13 24 14 11 11 15 12 12 12 13 13 29 1
12 23 15 10 14 14 11 14 12 12 11 28 1
13 22 14 10 13 15 11 14 11 12 11 29 1
13 23 14 10 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 29 1
Unique Y-DNA25 marker strings: 12
Result Strings Count
13 24 15 11 11 14 12 12 12 14 13 30 18 9 10 11 11 25 14 19 30 15 15 17 17 0 0 0 2
14 23 15 10 14 15 11 13 11 12 12 30 15 8 10 11 11 24 14 20 27 11 14 14 15 0 0 0 1
13 22 14 10 13 15 11 14 11 12 11 29 14 8 10 8 11 23 15 20 28 12 12 14 16 0 0 0 1
13 23 14 10 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 29 15 15 17 18 0 0 0 1
13 23 14 10 13 14 11 14 11 12 11 28 15 8 9 8 11 23 16 20 28 12 13 15 15 16 16 0 1
13 23 14 10 13 14 11 14 11 12 12 28 15 8 9 8 11 23 16 20 28 12 13 15 16 0 0 0 1
13 23 14 11 10 14 12 12 13 13 13 29 18 9 10 11 11 25 14 19 29 14 15 17 17 0 0 0 1
13 23 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 29 16 9 10 11 11 24 15 19 31 15 15 17 18 0 0 0 1
13 23 14 11 11 15 12 12 12 14 13 31 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 31 15 15 17 18 0 0 0 1
13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 14 13 30 18 9 10 11 11 25 14 19 30 15 15 16 16 0 0 0 1
13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 14 13 30 18 9 10 11 11 25 14 19 30 15 15 16 17 0 0 0 1
13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 14 13 30 18 9 10 11 11 25 14 19 31 15 15 16 17 0 0 0 1
Unique Y-DNA37 marker strings: 3
Result Strings Count
13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 14 13 30 18 9 10 11 11 25 14 19 30 15 15 16 16 0 0 0 11 11 19 23 16 15 19 17 36 38 11 12 1
13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 14 13 30 18 9 10 11 11 25 14 19 30 15 15 16 17 0 0 0 11 11 19 23 15 15 19 17 36 38 11 12 1
14 23 15 10 14 15 11 13 11 12 12 30 15 8 10 11 11 24 14 20 27 11 14 14 15 0 0 0 11 11 19 21 16 13 17 18 38 39 12 10 1
Ramsay/Ramsey Y chromosomes - Written by Gavin Ramsay
When the paper trail fades in traditional genealogy, where can you turn? Modern science now offers a possible way forward. In the process, new insights into our origins emerge, and we are taken on journeys we never thought we would take.
A small beginning has been made to investigate the origins of the world’s Ramseys and Ramsays. Do we all descend from Simon de Ramesia of Huntingdon in 1140? Already the answer to that one is clear:
www.familytreedna.com/public/Ramsey/#results
The seven male Ramseys and Ramsays who have contributed their DNA to the project and already have their results know that, with one possible exception, their fathers are unrelated. The markers on the Y chromosome tell us a clear story: they are passed down unchanged from father to son, like our surnames, with only occasional mutations every 500 generations or so in each one. In other words, using a 12-marker test, we can expect no Y chromosome change at all in some family lines since surnames were adopted perhaps 700 years ago in the UK, and only a couple of changes in other lines.
What does this mean? For Ramsays (and Ramseys, the names were interchangeable in earlier times), just as for many other surnames, it seems that our forebears came from several different stocks. We are not Smiths, so each village didn’t contribute a Ramsay based on vocation. Far more likely is that, as some Ramsays became powerful or popular, others with no surname adopted the name of their ruler or role model, adding diversity to the name. How often this took place is not something we will know until many more Ramsays add their samples to the growing databases.
Of course, there are other means of adding diversity to the Ramsay surname. Unrecorded adoptions, illegitimacies, re-marriages and deliberate name changes could further confuse descendents turning to family history. However, it is generally thought that most diversity in single surnames traces back to the origin of the name.
How does the test work? Family Tree DNA sends out simple kits which involve rubbing the inside of the cheek of a male Ramsay with a small paper scraper which is then discharged into a small tube. Two such tubes are sent to the lab, where 12, 25 or even 37 positions on the Y chromosome are assessed according to the choice of the participant. The fingerprint obtained can be compared to others in the Ramsey DNA Project, or to others of any surname held in Family Tree DNA’s database. Confidentiality is an issue taken seriously, and your Family Tree DNA data is treated according to your wishes, both within the Family Tree DNA system and amongst Ramsay DNA project members. So far, many participants prefer to be fairly open, in order to gain the greatest advantage from exchanging information with others in the project.
What do you get from it? Straight away, on receipt of your results, you will know whether your family joins one of those already identified or founds a new dynasty. Linking with those already years into the study of their family’s history can give you a wealth of information on your ancestors and current-day relatives, as well as giving your new extended family valuable information on their links. Furthermore, Family Tree DNA will give you data on the ethnic origins of your particular Y chromosome and its near variants by comparing your Y chromosome with those of its other customers. Some will have relatively common NW European Y chromosomes, whereas others may have rare ones barely represented in the database. If you have any problems with the interpretation of your results, Family Tree DNA have lots of help pages, and there is also expertise within the group to help you out. And finally, if you tell Family Tree DNA to regard your own data as ‘open’, then in the years to come you can expect to hear from others who find that their Y chromosome matches yours.
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