Self Seekers Newsletter, v.13, no.2
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Volume 13, no. 2 April, 2010
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REVIVAL
When the Web first became graphical and accessible to everyone at
reasonable cost, there was an instant surge of genealogical
interest. The infant RootsWeb and USGenWeb emerged, and listservs
sprung up dealing with everything from surnames to historical periods
of interest. We witnessed the wonders of instant communication
and collaboration on family lines. We found long-lost cousins
living all over the globe. This was the atmosphere that
surrounded the beginnings of "Self Portraits" and its sibling
sites. In the middle of the first decade of the 21st century,
interest began to wane somewhat. SPAM interfered with pleasure,
and people changed e-mail addresses to escape its mounting burden on
their inboxes. Fear of identity theft led them away from
listservs and onto "anonymous" sites such as forums and message boards
and social networking sites, such as MySpace and FaceBook, where you
could limit your contacts to certain "friends." Others developed
new interests, started families, moved away, and became inactive in
genealogy for various reasons. In the past year or so, however,
we've seen a revival in genealogical interest. Newer cousins are
picking up the "torch" and digging into areas that have eluded
the long-time researchers. And some of those older researchers
have come back to their hobby. The number of "lost" cousins
suddenly turning up after years in "hiding" has now just about equaled
the number of those writing to us for the first time. Things look
bright in the world of genealogy. Perhaps that's a new beginning
for all of us!
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ROBERT SELF OF PRINCE EDWARD COUNTY, VIRGINIA:
FOUNDER OF MAJOR LINES IN GEORGIA AND MISSOURI
by Barbara Peck
edited by Tim Seawolf-Self
On October 7, 1805, Robert Self and Martha ("Patsy") Walker were
married in Prince Edward County, Virginia. This was Robert's
second marriage, his first, to Agnes Watson, taking place on November
18, 1793. Robert and Martha lived for awhile in Buckingham County
and then returned to Prince Edward County about 1820. They had
three known sons: Joseph, Daniel, and Ephraim. Nothing more is
known about Ephraim, but the descendants of Joseph and Daniel were
surprised to learn that their origins were the same. Joseph Self
stayed in Virginia long enough to marry Sarah Gauldin and then moved
his family first to Bath County, KY and then Saline County,
Missouri. Daniel Self also married his wife, Sarah Garrett, in
Virginia and went to Meriwether County, GA shortly thereafter.
The families of these brothers were split until just a few years ago,
and that "reunion" in itself was a big breakthrough for researchers.
Although we have no dates for Martha (Walker) Self, we do know that her
parents were William and Drusilla Watkins (Woodson) Walker. But
until now, we've been unable to place Robert Self in any recorded Self
family, even on a "best evidence" basis. Now, thanks to
researcher Glenda Trogdon, we know who he was and how he relates to the
descendants of "Olde" Robert Selfe.
THE DISCOVERY
Glenda, a descendant of Robert Self through his son, Joseph, has
presented the following documentation:
1. Found in the "Cumberland County Virginia Court Order Books August
1767 to December 1787" by Roger G. Ward the following can be found:
A. page 46: page 436: 25 May 1772 Charles
Woodson Junior admin of Jenkins Self
B. page 47: page 474: 22 June 1772 Church Wardens of
Southam Parish bind Robert Self orphan of Jenkins Self to John Radford
Junior.
C. page 52: page 49: 7 November 1772 Church Wardens
of Southam Parish bind Sarah Self, Larkin Self and Elizabeth Self to
William Watson.
2. "Marriage Bonds and Minister's returns of Powhatan, County, Virginia
1777-1830" by Catherine Lindsay Knorr, 1957: page 57: 25 Nov 1794
Larkin Self and Rebecca Baugh. Sur. John Smith.
3. Powhatan Co. Marriage Register page 28. 18 Nov 1793 Robert Self and
Agness Watson. Sur. Jeffery Davis.
4. Powhatan County Marriage Register p 25. Since we have proof
that this Robert Self married Martha Walker in PE Co. in 1805 and their
children we can be sure she died and Martha is his second wife.
5. Robert Self is listed in the Powhatan Co. Tax Lists 1782 & 1784
then again in 1787-1788-1798.
7. "Land Tax Summaries & Implied Deeds 1782-1814, Vol !" Buckingham
Co., Virginia Records: page 269: Self: Self, Robert. 1788
to 1814. 1813/1814 _Location:_ residence on
Appomattox River (15SE), adjacent to Ben. Allen and Buxton on Little
Willis River (15SE and 17 SE), and adjacent William Curd, as well as
David Anderson's 220 AC (15SE). The (15SE) refer to distance and
direction from the Buckingham Courthouse in Maysville to the property
so he resided 15 miles SE of Maysville.
8. "Genealogical Records of Buckingham County, VA by Edythe Rucker
Whitley: 1800 Tax List:
Self, Robert; 1-3-2-0; Self, Thomas; 1-1.
I haven't a clue who this Thomas Self is.
9. Buckingham County Virginia Records "Land Tax Summaries & Implied
Deeds 1815-1840, Vol 2; by Roger G. Ward: page 322 & 323: *Self:*
*Daniel*. 1832 to 1834. Bought: 1832 145 AC on APX (15SE),
his lot in estate of Robert Self. Sold: 1834 land to Lackland.
10. *Ephraim. *1832 to 1834. Bought: 1832 167 AC on
APX (15 SE) , his lot in estate of Robert Self. Sold: 1834
167 AC (18SE to Stephen Moss.
11. *Joseph.* 1832 to 1836. Bout: 1832 160 AC on APX
(15SE), his lot in estate of Robert Self. 1834 30 AC (15SE) from
W.W. Wilbourne. Sold: 1834 12 AC on APX (15SE) to W.W. Wilbourne;
also, 178 AC (18SE) to Stephen Moss. 1836 the lands of Joseph
Self omitted at request. (He was in Bath Co. KY by 1839 when his
son Joseph was born there, maybe by 1836)
12. *Robert#*. 1815 to 1820. Estate 1821 to 1831.
Bought: 1817 268 and 1/4 AC adjacent residence on APX (15SE) from
Josias Allen. Sold: 1817 69 AC adjacent David Anderson (15SE) to
William Woodson.
And last but not least:
13. "Abstracts of Cumberland County, Virginia Will Books 1 and 2
1749-1782" by Katherine Reynolds: page 8: Will of Peter Louis Soblett
of King William Parish in Cumberland County,
5 Nov 1*754*, 27 Jan 1*755*. Wit: Ginkins Self (X), Abraham Self
(?)
Glenda also learned that after Jenkins Self died, either Larkin had
requested Robert Self to be his guardian or Robert was appointed as
such or both. Court records of 1783 show that Larkin chose Robert
at the time of his father's death sometime before 1770. For quite
some time, we have had Larkin being born about 1761. Jenkins was
born about 1740, so that means that Robert, as an older brother, must
have been born before 1761 when his father was quite young. Keep
in mind that these birth and death dates are all approximate and could
encompass a much wider span of time than indicated.
BEST EVIDENCE LINEAGE
This is the lineage we have for Robert Self:
ROBERT1SELFE*
Born about 1637 in London, England. Died 1716
in Westmoreland County,
VA. Known as “Olde Robert Selfe.” He was
a wealthy man who paid the
passage for six unrelated people from England to
Virginia. He m. (1)
Mary ---,
b.probably in Wiltshire or London, England and d. after 1661
in Northumberland County, VA; (2) probably about
1667 in Westmoreland
County, VA, Jane
Bean, b. about 1643 in England.
CHILDREN BY SECOND WIFE:
1. Francis2
b. ABT 1668 d. 1734
2. John
b. BEF 1671 d. ABT 1732
3. Stephen b. BEF
1673 d. 1731
4. Christian b. ABT 1674
5. William b. AFT
1677 d. 1760
6. Robert b. BEF
1688
FRANCIS2SELF
(Robert1)
Born about 1668 in Westmoreland County, VA.
Died 1734 in Westmoreland
County, VA. He m. (1) about
1685 in VA., Mary Ross;
(2) 1692 in
Northumberland County, VA., Rebecca Stephens, widow of Ralph
Stephens.
CHILDREN BY SECOND WIFE:
1. Henry3
b. ABT 1695 d.
1752
2. Robert
3. Francis
HENRY3SELF
(Francis2,
Robert1)
Born about 1695, probably in Westmoreland County,
VA. Died 1752 in
Westmoreland County, VA. He m. about 1710 Martha Cox.
CHILDREN:
1. Henry4
d. ABT 1775
2. Thomas b. July 30,
1719 d. ABT 1781
3. John
4. Judah
THOMAS4SELF
(Henry3,
Francis2Robert1)
Born July 30, 1719 in Westmoreland County, VA.
Died about 1781 in
Loudon County, VA. He m. about 1740 Elizabeth Jenkins, b. Mar. 18,
1721, daughter of Ezekial and Mary (Gunnell)
Jenkins.
CHILDREN:
1. Jenkins5
b. ABT 1740 d. BEF
1770
2. Ezekial b. Oct. 25,
1741 d. BEF 1806
3. Joseph b. Sep. 25, 1746
4. Jonathan b. BEF 1760
5. Presley b. Nov. 18, 1752
6. Charnock b. June 4, 1755
d. 1831/1835
7. Elizabeth b. Dec. 27,
1760 d. July 28, 1841
8. Ewell b. AFT
1760
JENKINS5SELF
(Thomas4,
Henry3,
Francis2,
Robert1)
Born about 1740 in Buckingham County, VA. He
died before 1770,
leaving his children orphans. He m. --- who appears to have also
died before 1770.
CHILDREN:
1. Robert6
2. Larkin b. ABT
1761 d. ABT 1822
3. Elizabeth
4. Sarah
ROBERT6SELF
He m.
Oct. 7, 1805 in Prince Edward County, Martha (“Patsy”) Walker,
daughter
of William and Drusilla Watkins (Woodson) Walker. The
family
was in
Buckingham County, VA in 1810 and in Prince Edward County in 1820.
CHILDREN:
1. Joseph7
b. 1806
2. Daniel b. ABT
1808 d.
Feb. 13, 1874
3. Ephraim
LINGERING
QUESTIONS
Now that Robert Self's father has been identified and two of his sons
brought together again through their descendants, immense progress has
been made on this branch of the family. But there are still some
unanswered questions that need to be addressed.
First, the parentage of Jenkins Self is given as "best evidence." This
is mostly based on the fact that his name is the same as the maiden
name of Thomas Self's wife. According to the "Early Ancestors"
document by Virginia Easley, this idea was introduced by W. C. Self but
she was unable to find any proof of this relationship. It would be
interesting to see what DNA testing of Robert Self's descendants would
show when compared with that of Thomas's documented children.
Testing would probably have to be done at a very large marker level,
but it might be our only chance of resolving this question once and for
all.
Second, we might want to consider that Jenkins Self could have used his
middle name during most of his life. He may also have been listed
as some other given name when he was born. Determining if this is
true or false may yield some evidence to prove that he is the son of
Thomas Self.
Third, what happened to Robert's sisters, Elizabeth and Sarah? It's
much easier to follow males in the Census, even when full names weren't
given, since the Head of Household was always named. But unless
there are extant marriage records or some way to identify women
(perhaps one married and had a son named Jenkins or Larkin), they often
got lost in time. In the usual family scenario in the 18th and 19th
centuries, women tended to marry within their home state, county, and
community. It was common for a man from outside those boundaries
to move to his wife's place of residence. An exception, however,
was when the man had a definite desire to move to a third
location. This move was often made when the husband received a
land grant for military service or when other members of his family
bought frontier land and offered him some acres to join them. If anyone
is researching these two women, please let us know what you've found so
far.
Fourth, what happened to Robert's son, Ephraim? Did he die
young? Or did he move to Missouri also or to Kentucky, Georgia,
or some other state? Or did he simply die of old age, unmarried
and without descendants?
SUMMARY
Thanks to the excellent research by Cousin Glenda Trogdon, Robert Self
is now at home in his proper lineage. There are just a few more
questions to be answered before the entire mystery of this Self line is
completely solved. We'll keep you updated on any new developments.
(NEXT: "Why So Many Sites?")
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BIOGRAPHIES AND PHOTOS
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NEW AT "VIRTUAL VAULT"
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The
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the Internet in alphabetical order. Everyone can view them from any
computer for free. You can learn of letters from your ancestor to the
governor, miscellaneous genealogical data from decades ago, public
service records, and much more.
http://cdm.sos.state.ga.us/cdm4/gnf.php
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DEAD ENDS
part 5
"E"
by Barbara Peck and Tim Seawolf-Self
When we began "SelfSite at RootsWeb," our objective was to present as
much unrelated Self data as possible in the hopes that these
individuals and families would be recognized by someone out
there. Because the Selfs married into many other surnames, it's
just possible that a person surfing the Web could come across a Self
connection that was previously unknown to them. We divided the
entries into two groups: "Loose Ends" and "Dead Ends." The
Loose Ends are Selfs for whom we have no ready ancestry. The Dead
Ends are marriages of Self descendants for whom we are seeking
descendants. We've decided to reprint the "Dead Ends" bit by bit
in this netletter to make it easier for you to go through them and to
give visitors to our sites one more point of access. Also there
have been additions, deletions, and corrections. Please check
your records to see if any of these couples are in your database.
As always, information you may provide to us is for posterity.
Living people will not be put on the Web.
EADS, Charles and McGRIFF, Alda married 1 Feb 1899 in
Sedgwick County, KS
EADS, John Hardin and JORDAN, Phoebe married about 1867
in
IL
EADS, Theodore and McCREA, Mattie married 1900 in
Sedgwick
County, KS
EADS, William and CARR, Sarah H. married 21 Dec 1854,
possibly
in Morgan County, IL
EARLY, Miller and DUNCAN, Nancy married 1 Jan 1820 in
Maury
County, TN
EARP, Robert and SELF, Eula A. married before 1920 in
Sabine
Parish, LA
EASLEY, Elmer Mason and RILEY, Anna married 24 Nov 1918
in
Grayson County, TX
EAST, Peter and VANWINKLE, Louela married 20 Jan 1901,
probably
in Perry County, IN
EDDLEMAN, Henry and HUNT, Eliza married about 1903,
probably
in LA
EDGINGTON, John Edward and SOUTHER, Cornelia Rebecca
married
20 Oct 1913 in Las Animas County, CO
EDWARDS, J. R. and SELF, Emma J. married 30 Oct 1890 in
Ripley
County, MO
EDWARDS, Richard and SELF, Frances married 1692 in Plea
Saint
Mary, Norfolk, England
EGAR, Thomas and SELF, Isabell married unknown in
Boston,
Lincoln, England
EGGLESTON, Donald and SMITH, Vera Dot married 12 Feb
1913,
probably in TX or AR
ELDER, James C. and BAYS, Sarah married before 1920
probably
in Phelps or Cedar County, MO
ELDER, Thomas and BADGER, Julia married about 1916,
probably
in Perry County, IN
ELGATE, John and SELF, Mary married 1752 in Horstead,
Norfolk,
England
ELIOT, William and RAGAN, Unknown married probably in
Morgan
County, IL
ELKINS, Unknown and SELF, Maggie married about 1907 in TX
ELLINOR, Thomas and SELF, Anne married 1736 in Hoxne,
Suffolk,
England
ELLIOTT, John Paxton and WHISNANT, Fannie Jackson
married
about 1910, probably in NC
ELLIOTT, Samuel Davidson and SELF, Mary Elizabeth
married
15 Feb 1904 in Falls County, TX
ELLIOTT, William Christopher and LATTIMORE, Lula married
about 1912, probably in NC
ELLIS, Andrew Christopher and HOLLINGSWORTH, Amelia
married
about 1900
ELLIS, Daniel Isaac and UNKNOWN, Bennie married before
1920
ELLIS, Henry Clay and McCALL, Judy married before 1910
ELLIS, James Martin and SKELTON, Emma Lou married about
1875
in AL or TX
ELLIS, Jepsy J. and SELF, Mary E. married 24 Jun 1895 in
Benton County, TN
ELLIS, Jesse Douglas and ELLIS, Rebecca married about
1880
in AL or TX
ELLIS, John A. and THAXTON, Lula Mae married before 1910
in LA
ELLIS, Joseph Francis and TRAFTON, Alice Cornelia
married
3 Nov 1897 in CA
ELLISON, Unknown and THOMAS, May E. married before 1900
ELLZEY, Ambrose and SELF, Ollie Virginia married before
1920
in LA
ELLZEY, Henry S. and SELF, Jane married 30 Dec 1885 in
Sabine
Parish, LA
ELMORE, William Jefferson and SELF, Eliza married about
1891,
probably in Edmonson County, KY
ELSEA, John and ARMSTRONG, Catherine married before 1850
probably in Muskingum County, OH
ELZEA, Charles L. and UNKNOWN, Pinkie J. married about
1883,
probably in Ralls County, MO
ELZEA, James Samuel and MAUPIN, Margaret E. married
about
1872, probably in Ralls County, MO
ELZEA, John H. and DAWSON, Eliza married about 1877,
probably
in Ralls County, MO
ELZEA, Marcus L. and TULLY, Lois M. married 25 Nov 1914
in
Audrain County, MO
EMERSON, Henry M. and SELF, Almeda married 12 Jun 1870
in
Johnson County, IL
EMERSON, Peter Scott and AVERY, Nancy Emeline married 2
Jun
1895, probably in Marion County, AL
EMMONS, John and HUNT, Elizabeth Anna married about
1898,
probably in Clermont County, OH
EMMONS, William and HUNT, Emma Carrie married about
1892,
probably in Clermont County, OH
ENDICOTT, Andrew J. and SELF, Barbara E. married 12 Apr
1889
in Saline County, IL
ENGLAND, Chapman and HUNTER, Martha married about 1907,
probably
in Union ounty, GA
ENGLAND, Claude and HENRY, Frances married 25 Jul 1918
in
OK
ENGLAND, Daniel Wofford and BRITTAIN, Zuma married about
1918 in McClain County, OK
ENGLAND, Gene and CHRISTIAN, Lu Effie married 19 Dec
1919
in OK
ENGLAND, Raymond John and WARD, Maud Mabel married 8 Feb
1919 in Hall County, GA
ENGLAND, William Richard and HEATH, Vertie E. married 29
Aug 1915 in Garvin County, OK
ENNIS, James and SELF, Sarah married 28 Jul 1850 in
Arlington
County, VA
ENNIS, Louis and SELF, Eliza married 15 Aug 1835 in
Hendricks
County, IN
ENTREKIN, Garfield R. and GLASSCOCK, Kansas married 29
Oct
1899 in Cullman County, AL
ERWIN, John and DANIEL, Rosetta J. married about 1875,
probably
in GA
ESTES, Andrew Jackson and SELF, Martha Jane married 20
Nov
1860 probably in Morgan County, MO
ETERIDGE, John and SELF, Sarah married 1785 in
Dickleburgh,
Norfolk, England
ETHERIDGE, James and SELF, Mary married 1797 in
Wingfield,
Suffolk, England
EUBANKS, Clarence Foller and CLEVENGER, Violet Gay
married
14 Dec 1920 in Chesterfield County, VA
EUBANKS, Stonewall Jackson and SMITH, Kathryn married 24
Dec 1918 in Chesterfield County, VA
EUBANKS, Thomas Leonard and PERKINSON, Nellie Pearl
married
about 1907 in Chesterfield County, VA
EUBANKS, Thomas Leonard and TUCKER, Annie May married 5
Sep
1912 in Chesterfield County, VA
EVANS, Charles and SELPH, Elizabeth married 18 Jan 1853
in
Highland County, OH
EVANS, John F. and McCLANNAHAN, Lerlie married 23 Feb
1908,
probably in TN
BROOKS, A. W. and EVANS, Susan Emma married 7 Sep 1880,
probably
in TN
EVANS, Steve and HOLLOWELL, Sarah Ann married about 1881
in Floyd County, IN
EVANS, Unknown and SELPH, Nancy Jane married about 1899,
probably in Telfair County, GA
EVERETT, William and SELF, Bridget married 13 Oct 1764
in
Denham by Eye, Suffolk, England
EVERSON, John and SELF, Jane married 1776 in Occold,
Suffolk,
England
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