July 2006 Self Seekers Newsletter

SELF SEEKERS:

THE SELF FAMILY ASSOCIATION QUARTERLY ONLINE NEWSLETTER SUPPLEMENT

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Tim W. Seawolf Self    
Barbara Ann Peck
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Volume 9, no. 3   July, 2006
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WELCOME

Welcome to volume 9, no. 3 of the quarterly online newsletter supplement to "Self Portraits: The Self Family NetLetter," the Website dedicated to Self family research at http://www.selfroots.com

You are receiving this newsletter because you were kind enough to join "Self Seekers: The Self Family Association." We appreciate all of your contributions, large and small, and we hope you will continue to support our page, our surname list, and this newsletter.

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THE THREE R'S

Most kids want to forget the "three R's" when they're on summer break.  But for genealogists, summer is the time to remember them:  Research, Reunions, and RootsWeb.  If you get a summer vacation from work or school, you'll have a week or two to devote to Research.  If high gas prices are keeping you at home, you can always work in front of your computer and uncover different pieces of information in every session.  Or you may be able to take a "genealogy trip" and spend your days tromping through cemeteries or sorting through primary sources or old letters and photographs.  Reunions are often a part of the summertime fun.  If your Self branch has one this year, have a good time, meet everyone, and write down as much as you can to work into your files when you get home.  Finally, don't forget RootsWeb.  Without that beneficent organization, genealogy on the Web wouldn't be anywhere near as easy to do even with the help of a computer.  We owe them a lot of thanks for sharing their gedcoms, hosting their message boards, and providing free space for USGenWeb Project coordinators to place their counties and towns. 
Have a wonderful summer!

A Good Idea:  Please join us at our VIRTUAL REUNION
It only takes a few minutes to scan a photo and write a short paragraph about your research,
your other interests, your children and grandchildren...whatever
Please do check out this opportunity to share with your distant cousins

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WHEN "OFFICIAL" RECORDS CONFLICT
by Barbara Peck
Edited by Tim Seawolf-Self

Got Grandpa?  You know it's him for sure!  He was born where your family has lived for generations, and he died there, too.  Maybe.  He was married to Grandma, we all know that--but sometimes it doesn't seem that way.  And now, you're not even so sure he's buried where his tombstone is.  What's wrong?  The "official" records conflict.  And if you can't be certain about the facts surrounding Grandpa, how can you really believe anything about his parents or his grandparents or anyone else back in the mists of time?

THE RECORDS

There are all kinds of documents you use when searching for your ancestors.  When I was young, a person could still handle the original primary sources.  Today, we've sacrificed that pleasure for the convenience of microfilm and computerized databases.  Just imagine if you won the Lottery!  You could subscribe to all the information at Genealogy.com and spend the rest of your life luxuriating in names and dates.  You could scour the Census, check out references in hard-to-find history books, review endles gedcoms, and read old wills, tax rolls, and juror lists in the comfort of your own living room.  There are other resources, too.  Your family may have preserved its earliest Bible, saved letters, or tossed old photographs into a box.  Someone may have already begun a scrapbook or even recorded the stories and reminiscences of elderly relatives.  And, of course, there is oral tradition--what those living elderly folks can tell you first hand and enjoy doing it, too.

These records all provide wonderful documentation for your family tree.  But what happens when the Census record disagrees with the family Bible?  What about differences of 2 or more years of age in two successive Censuses?  Someone's gedcom states that your ancestor died in the Midwest, but you've visited his grave in the Southeast.  And you know his name was John, so why do you continually find references to Thomas?  Sometimes the discrepancies are small and sometimes they're large, but they can be disconcerting as well--and they can really cause confusion in your endnotes.

WHAT HAPPENED?

The simple explanation is:  human error. 

It was only at the turn of the 20th century that many people--especially those in remote and rural areas--learned to read and write.  Illiteracy probably kept many of them from writing down events such as births, marriages, and deaths;  and if they eventually found someone to do it for them, they may have forgotten the exact date on which they happened.  If a branch of your family came from another country, they may have encountered a language barrier, confusing the names of months, for example.  The avid cemetery recorder may have been confronted by a "weathered" stone whose carving is unclear and perhaps made a guess at what it once showed.  Census takers were also sometimes less than literate.  They often couldn't spell correctly, and their handwriting was notoriously difficult to read, ranging from hurried scribbling to flowery penmanship.  Consider also the age of paper documents, the wear, tear, and damage involved, and even the unfortunate blots of ink that leaked from old-fashioned pens.

Of course Census takers, clerks, and other recorders were and are only as accurate as the information given to them.  Again, our earlier ancestors may not even have known when they were born, and the facts may have been unearthed much later with no attempt made to correct previous statements.  The Selfs and other families in the nineteenth century tended to address each other by their middle names rather than their given names.  Most had no idea of the formality of the Census, marriage, or death records and reported the names of family members as they called them.  Another frustration arises from the reluctance of those people to talk about their ancestors.  Some cited privacy;  others were ashamed of their own past or the misdeeds of someone in their family.  Others simply believed in living for today, preparing for tomorrow, and forgetting about the past.  Genealogy wasn't a popular pastime back then.  It was more important to survive to create those descendants than to worry about leaving a genealogical trail for them.

Finally, how many of us really enjoy paperwork?  Sorting and filing items?  Carefully labeling things?  Even if we do, we seldom have time.  Our ancestors had their lives, too--busy lives lacking our modern conveniences and leaving them too tired to take time to sort photos and put names to them.  They probably never gave much thought to the fact that they possessed the only known picture taken of their grandfather during the Civil War or to annotate the names of all the children in the third grade group picture of the Class of '02.

WHAT TO DO?

What can you do when "official" records conflict?  The best thing is to try to ascertain your ancestor's real name and real dates.  If it's not too far back, someone in the family might know.  If he lived in the distant past, you may have to make a decision based on the best available evidence.  If several sources give one date of birth and just one gives a different date, choose the one most widely used.  Then try to find out the source of the alternate date.  We say "try" because that might be very difficult.  Records disappear or are destroyed.  Even if you write to someone who posted a huge gedcom on the Web, chances are that their e-mail address has changed while they haven't bothered updating it on the page.  Elderly and unwell individuals pass away.  You might never really know the correct date--but to be able to cite your sources is to show that you have at least done as much work as possible.

Sometimes we've been given just one date or name variation in one document and then just one from a second source.   There's really no way to tell which date is correct, unless perhaps it's something unreasonable such as a birthdate two months after the birth of a sibling.  In that case, cite both dates.  It may be an admission of your inability to determine the truth, but you're probably also presenting at least one date that's correct and putting out both for discussion and comment.

SUMMARY

Names and dates often conflict in "official" sources.  Human error is to blame for most of the problems.  You can choose the most often used name or date or use your judgment as to which is correct.  Or you can cite all the variations and let the next researcher decide.  And don't let it be your final word.  When you least expect it, Grandpa will find a way to show you the answer!


(NEXT: "Once Removed:  Fitting Into the Family")

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MINOR SELF LINES
part 11
by Barbara Peck and Tim Seawolf-Self

In 2003, we presented an article on the major unconnected Self lines.  Now we'd like to concentrate on the minor lines that are still not connected to Olde Robert Selfe, even by "best evidence."  In this installment, we've included Self branches from Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, and New Jersey.  We hope to feature more small family lines in the following newsletters.

MISSISSIPPI

THOMAS STARLIN GETO SELF:  Also known as Starling or Sterling.  He was supposedly born in England about 1805 and died in 1912.  In 1840, he lived in Tuscaloosa, AL;  and by 1843, he was in Attala County, MS.  All his children were by his second wife, Amanda (his first wife is unknown).  These children were:  Silas, Frances E., Martha A., Rufus M., Farrer, Charles G., Clementine, Alice Gertrude, and Early Thomas Sherman.  We have further information on all of them except for Silas.

LILLIAN BEATRICE SELF:  Lillian was born 1891 in McCool, Attala County, MS and died 1970 in Baldwin County, AL.  Her husband was Benjamin VanBuren McCool (1885-1960).  They had four children.  At least one, Willie, died young.

COWAN M. SELF:  Born 1840 somewhere in AL., Cowan M. Self married Elizabeth ??? (1842-ABT 1891) and lived in Benton County, MS.  They adopted one daughter named Rovina.  His second wife, Nancy E. ???, produced two more daughters, Mary A. and Annie M.  We have a Mary Alice SELPH in Tippah County, MS who might be the right age to be one of them.  She married Andrew Jackson Meadows.  We'd like to know if there is a connection here, as well as the ancestry of Cowan Self.

GEORGE SELF:  George Self, born 1856, lived in Holmes County, MS with his wife, Minnie W. C. (Farmer) Self.  We know nothing about their two daughters, Rosa and Addie.  But we do have some information on sons, George G. and John Marshall.

AUBURN SELPH:  Suddenly appearing in Itawamba County, MS is Auburn Selph.  We know from the 1880 Census that he was born about 1830 and that his father and mother were from Alabama and Tennessee, respectively.  His wife, Frances, was born 1836 in AL.  Shown on the Census are three children:  Ida, Thomas J., and William.

L. B. SELF:  L. B. Self lived in Oktibbeha County, MS in 1880 even though he was born in GA in 1828, supposedly of parents also both born in GA.  His wife, Nancy E., came from TN.  Two of their children--Rufus and Daniel O.--were born in AL;  the other three--Berry, Early, and Myrtle--were born in MS.

WILLIAM ROBERT SELF:  Who was William Robert Self, b. 1842 in VA?  His parents were from VA as well.  Permelia (Stringfield) Self, his wife, was born 1852 in LA.  In the 1880 census, the family of 7 seems to be living in an apartment building or boarding house in Pike County, TN.  The children were:  Susan E., William M., John H., Mary M., and <again> William M.  Both sons named William M. are listed as living in this census with a 7 year span (1869 - 1876) between them.  Even if one of them died in the census year, it's unclear why there were two boys with the same name.  Of course, it's possible that the census taker made a mistake.

POLLY SELF:  She was born in 1832.  She m. at age 40 in Winston County, MS.  Her husband, Simpson White, was born there about 1837.  The couple had one child, Dixie, who married John Henry Jeffries, had 6 children, and also lived in Winston County.

JOB GILHAM SELF:  His middle name was also written as "Gilliam."  He was a renown silversmith, and we've often been very curious about his beginnings.  We know that he was born before 1820, but not the location of that event.  His wife's name was Sarah Henrietta McManus, and his four children were Dudley, Colin McRay, Walter, and Harry (who died young).

UNKNOWN SELF:  An unknown Self and his unknown wife had two children somewhere in MS.  Son Edmond Self (1855-1952) had three wives, ??? Bruce, Maude ???, and Lena ???.  Their daughter, Ellie, MAY be the Ellie Lee Self (1874-1959) who married Alonzo Grantham and had a son named Casey.

UNKNOWN SELF:  This individual was female.  She m. Joseph W. Gladney of Choctaw County, MS.  This couple had 3 children:  Huldah, Margaret, and Benjamin Joseph.  We have no idea what happened to the two daughters or who Unknown Self might be and where she might be from.

WILLIAM WALTER SELF:  We'd like to know more about William Walter Self, b. Mar. 25, 1826 in Louisiana.  He m. Jane Judson Robertson of MS.  Their children have only initials except for the first son, John F.  They were:  S. E., E. A., A. B. E., W. E., and M. L.  Their gender is also unknown.  It's possible that E. A. may be Adrian Ella (b. 1856) who spelled her last name "Selph."

UNKNOWN SELF:  Yet another mystery man, Unknown Self was born in MS.  His wife's name begins with an "A," and she was born in GA in 1831.  We known of only one child, Fannie E., b. 1861 in AR.  She married John Blum, b. 1852 in Paris, France.  This Self family was in Callahan County, TX in the 1880 census.


MONTANA

UNKNOWN SELF:  This Montana pioneer was born in KY.  His wife's name was Malinda, and they had a son, b. 1866 in Nebraska, named James N. Self.  Apparently this man died, and his wife remarried John T. Woodward of Deer Lodge County, MT.  She and her son, James, were living with him in the 1880 census.


NEBRASKA

UNKNOWN SELF:  We know nothing about this unknown Self--not his name, birth date, or where he came from.  His wife, Nellie P., was born 1861 in PA.  His trail begins in AR in 1890 when his daughter, Lida H., was born.  Then came child (male? female?) Hasen, who was born in 1897 in IA.  He then settled in Dodge County, NE.

WALTER SELF:  Walter Self was born in 1856, possibly in England.  He m. Minerva ???, b. 1860 in WI.  Their children were Carl T., Mary S., Florence H., Jessie E., Oliver H., and Warren, born in Otoe County.  The family lived in Lancaster County, NE.  Was Walter Self born in England?  If so, to which English branch does he belong.

UNKNOWN SELF:  Unknown Self married Anna Palmquist, b. 1853 in IL.  By 1884, they were in Lancaster County, NE with children, Constance J. and Arthur C.

ROBERT SELF:  Another presumed Englishman was Robert Self of Otoe County, NE.  He was born in 1822 in England of English parents.  His wife, Emily, was three years his senior, and she was also born in England.  Their two children, Robert O. and Mary were also born in England.  He was in Otoe County after 1860.

NEW JERSEY

EDWARD SELF: One of the most fascinating Self families is that of Edward Self.  He was born 1839 in England.  We don't know who his father was or where in England he lived, but we do know that his mother, born 1815, was named Mary and his sister, born 1847, was named Emma.  Connecticut was the birthplace of Edward's wife, Anna D., who was one year younger than her English husband.  Their children:  Edward D., b. 1866 in NY., and William B., b. 1868 in NJ.  Edward's grandson, through son William, was Sydney Baldwin Self (1896-1980) who married Honoria Muldrup Cabell, also known as Margaret Cabell Self, the writer of children's horse stories.  We have met, but lost touch with, several descendants of this family. 

If you know about any of these Selfs from these states, please send us a chart or gedcom showing their ancestry.  In the issues to follow, we'll be listing other "Loose Ends" from other states.  You'll find these people listed on the "Loose Ends" section of "SelfSite" as well.  We'd just love to put them in their place!


(NEXT: Minor Self Lines, part 12)


Maybe your ancestors used to tell stories about life in the "old days," stories you remember hearing as a child. Please tell us about them. We will even supply editing and formatting; but we'd all love to know about daily life in the Self families of old--and you may be able to help. Please contact us. And please state that your story is specifically for the newsletter.

LOOSE ENDS

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