Kit #47876 Research Notes, an extract, by permission of the author

Armstrongs in the South of Eng1and

(And my own family in particular, this being the family of the participant in FTDNA Kit # 47876. At present I cannot get back beyond 1772 in Steventon, [near Basingstoke,] Hampshire.)  

Separate studies are.

1.         Armstrongs of Odiham, Hampshire.

2.         Armstrongs of Reading, Berkshire.

3.         Irish Armstrongs who came to Southern England in the 1700’s.

4.         Armstrongs of Godalming

 

Introduction

Using Mormon (IGI) and other records it can be shown that very few Armstrong’s moved to parts of England, South of London, until the 19th Century.

The earliest records (south of London IGI 1988)are

1.   William Armstrong son of John Armstrong (wife not named) Bapt, 29th August 1367, at Farnham, Surrey.  Records did not start till 1538 so this date may be 1567.

2.   Armestronge Beaten married John Pagan at Monkleigh Devon On 30th August 1568.

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3.   Armstrong Symon married Jane Hatton at Salisbury 24th October 1588.

4.   Armestronge George married Eydeth Leseter at Southampton St Michael in 1593.

5.   Armestronge Katheryne daughter of Joseph Armestronge (wife not named) Bapt: 13 Feb:1602 at Shrivenham (Berks)

6.   Armstronge William married Annis (Agnes) Greene 16th January 1602 at Wantage. their son Erasmus Bapt; 4th March 1603 at Wantage

7.   Armestronge Eridgett married Joanes Phillep at Southampton St Michael in 1618.

8.   Armatronge Aims married William Butler 30th May 1630 at Wantage

 

I propose to document my own family as far as I can and a few others of interest.  The object of the original exercise was to trace my direct male line back to the Scottish Border area, from which the family originates, and in doing so to discover which of the famous lines we came from. It was also hoped that we might find something of the reasons for migration this far south and to particular areas.

The story begins with the earliest ancestor traced at the time or writing (latest update 2006) so that any future chapters of this work will be added at the beginning rather than at the end.

Contact via the Internet, (October 2001) with [certain other researchers has revealed]   they are descended from Alfred son of Joseph and Anne and I am descended from William A, also a son of Joseph and Anne, and Mary Moody.    They have provided a little more info on the Littleworth family.

 

Chapter 1

The story begins (writing started in 1992) with the marriage of James Armstrong and Linny Littleworth at Steventon Parish Church near Basingstoke in Hampshire on 17th February 1772. Linny Littleworth’s parents were John Littleworth (junior), born 1716 in Steventon and Elizabeth Box (married 18th January 1749/50 in Sherborne St John, Hampshire.   Elizabeth was born in Sherborne St John in 1720.  Linny’s grandparents were John Littleworth of Ashe and Joan Webb of Steventon. They were married at Steventon on 2nd October 1715.    It is interesting that at this date James Armstrong signed his own name but Linny “made her mark”.    Witnesses to the marriage were William Lovel and Thomas Page, both could not write but “made their mark”. 

Steventon is just a few miles from Basingstoke and there is another village of the same name in Berkshire not all that far away. Steventon (Hants) is famous as the place where the authoress Jane Austen was born on 16th December 1775, the seventh child of the Rector the Rev: George Austen. It was he who married James and Linny.

Notes from JANE AUSTEN — A FAMILY RECORD; by WILLIAM and RICHARD ARTHUR AUSTEN—LEIGH. Revised and enlarged by Deidre Le Faye 1989. P16. Mrs Austen nursed her babies herself for the first, few months of life, and then “followed a custom, not unusual in those days, though it seems strange to us “, of putting (them) out to be nursed in a cottage in the village. The infant was daily visited by one or both of its parents, and frequently brought them to the parsonage, but the cottage was its home and must have remained so till it was old enough to run about and talk, for I know that one of them, in after life, used to speak of his foster mother as “Movie”, the name by which he had called her all his infancy. The foster parents for the Austen’s babies were John and Elizabeth Littleworth, (Another book says that this John was 61 when Jane Austen was born in 1775), who probably lived at “Cheesedown Farm”, and their young daughter Bet or Betsy, was the little Austens’ nursemaid and playfellow. The extended Littleworth family remained devoted friends and servants of the Austen family for nearly a century and several of them are mentioned in Jane’s letters.

James is listed as “of Old Basing” in the marriage record and Linny as “of this parish”. If we have the right James, he was 35 at the time and Linny 22. They had 10 children and Linny died (aged 35), 17 days after the birth of Timothy who himself died at the age of 5 months.    I am still (in 2006) trying to find where James [Armstrong] came from [prior to their marriage in 1772].

 

Their children were:

1.         Ann      baptised           22 May 1772.

2.         James  baptized           24 July 1773

3.         John     baptised           20 March 1775                        (buried 7 April 1775)
4.        
Elizabeth         baptised           21 April 1776
5.         William           baptised          
25 March 1777

6.         Jane                 baptised           5 July778
7.         John                 baptised           October 1780
8.         Charles            baptised          
15 December   1782
9.         Sarah               baptised          
24 January       1785

l0.        Timothy baptised 17 August 1786 (buried 9 January 1787). Linny had a brother Timothy and presumably this was the reason for giving him this name.

All these children were baptised at Steventon by the Rev:George Austen.

We also know that Jane Austen had a “nanny” known as Nanny Littleworth. Her name was Anne according to Valerie Grosvenor Myer in her book “Obstinate Heart, Jane Austen a biography”, published Michael O’Mara Books Ltd, 1997, ISBN-1-85479-213-X.   She was married to the coachman of James Austen, Jane’s brother. Further study should find his name.  Work at Winchester Record Office has shown that James and John, two Littleworth brothers, both married a lady called Anne in the same year.   Deciding which Anne was the Nanny could prove difficult.  It is further complicated by the fact that the Austen’s also employed a “Nanny” Hilliard at the same time.  “Nanny” in those days was the diminutive of Annie, not a job description.   Nanny Littleworth was probably the cook or dairymaid according to Deidre Le Faye.  .A William Littleworth was footman to Mrs Austen.   From Poor Rate records in the late 1700’s for Old Basing a Timothy Littleworth,  Linny’s brother?, owned a house in Old Basing called Waterend House.  He paid a poor rate on that property.  The Hampshire Register of Marriages 1559-1812, Marriages at North Waltham 1654-1812, Volume 3, shows that Timothy Littleworth married Elizabeth Fillness of Newnham by licence on 21 August 1788.  

A point of significant curiosity and interest is to explain why all the children were baptised in Steventon if James was “Of Old Basing. Normally a wife would go to live in her husband’s village after marriage, assuming that was where his job was. Steventon would be too far to walk each day to work (about 10 miles from Old Basing). As baptisms had (by law) to be in the Church of England at that time it may be that if James was a Presbyterian, and did not attend the C of E in Old Basing, that they returned to the Littleworth family church for baptisms, marriages and funerals.    Poor Rate Records for Old Basing starting 1788 (3 years after Linny died) show that the family did live in Old Basing, see Appendix “A” for a list of payments to them.

Family connections with the Austen family (albeit as servants) may have encouraged this.   

Four other records survive connecting James and his family with Old Basing.

1. Their first child, Ann, married Thomas Taphouse in Old Basing on 1 December 1791.

2. An Elizabeth Armstrong, singlewoman, was removed from Steventon to Old Basing in 1797. Under the old rules of settlement, if a person fell sick or unemployed before they had completed a year and a day in the new village, it was usual to return them to their village of origin because they had not completed the length of service required to become eligible for “poor relief” in the new Parish. A “Settlement Certificate” was often taken to a new parish as proof that the old parish was responsible for them until they had worked in the new parish for the specified period. People unfortunate enough to become unemployed would be moved from parish boundary to parish boundary by the parish constable until they reached their home parish. Each parish en—route was required to provide a meal and a bed for the night. Each parish had enough poor of its own and did not want any more. This suggests that the family did live in Old Basing, at least after Linny died, and that Elizabeth had been in Steventon for less than a year and a day at the time.    In fact the Overseers of the Poor records show that she was sent back to Old Basing because she was pregnant.    Removal Order----.  Numerous payments to James for her are listed in Appendix”A”.

OLD BASING RECORDS

2 MAR 1794 Hariot Patarson Armstrong daughter of Elizabeth Armstrong baptised.

Note!    Harriet Armstrong married Edward Bailey at Steventon in 1816. See Hampshire Marriages Index.

18 JUN 1797 Charles son of Elizabeth Armstrong baptised.

17 MAY 1795 William Armstrong an infant was buried.

Check these sometime. Check the Hampshire baptismal index for this William.  The first two were the children of Elizabeth. She was baptised 21 April 1776 so could have been only 21 in 1797 when removed to Old Basing. Pregnancy would have been a good reason for removal although it was not stated on the removal order.  The Overseers of the Poor Records show payment to her for a child and she was pregnant twice in a few years. The third one may have been hers but this needs checking.  It is too early for William who was the son of William by Martha Huse as the bastardy Bond is dated 1800.

3. See Bastardy Bond 3M/70/61/31 in Winchester Record Office William Armstrong, fifth child of James and Linny, was the father of a child borne by Martha Huse (Hughes?) of Old Basing. An order was made and William and James (his father) were bound over in the sum of £40 to pay Martha one shilling and sixpence a week for the upkeep of the child. A copy of the document is available dated 1800. William was listed as a miller and James as a labourer. There were two mills in Old Basing at the time.    Martha was probably the daughter of Edward and Hannah Huse baptised Old Basing 19 October 1777.  There is a marriage record in Old Basing for Charles Wellman and Martha Hughes married by banns on 14th May 1810.  

4. A James Armstrong died in Old Basing aged 80, in 1817. It seems reasonable to assume that he was our James. He would have been 63 in 1800 and unlikely to move to another village at that time.

 

It is ‘difficult to assess whether the family always lived in Old Basing, but went to Steventon for baptisms and marriages because of family connections, or whether they lived in ‘Steventon till Linny died and then went back to Old Basing.  It would seem that they did live in Old Basing and certainly from 1788 when Linny died.

Other information on their 10 children is as follows;

1. Ann married Thomas Taphouse in Old Basing 1 December 1791.

2. James married Elizabeth Fidler in Steventon on 11th November 1792. He is my direct ancestor and his family is the subject of the next chapter. Elizabeth was born in 1769 in Tunworth, Hampshire and baptised on 12th November 1769.  She was the daughter of Benjamin Fidler and Mary Goodyear.   (Note Tunworth is on the SE side of Basingstoke towards Odiham and Check for a Goodyear family in Odiham.).   See section on Odiham.    A George Goodeve is mentioned and I think the name Goodyear appears in a will.    The marriage record at Steventon shows that they could both sign their names.  Their witnesses were William Blake and Thomas Smith.

The next marriage on the same page of the register is of interest some years later.    It reads, “Thomas Williams of the Parish of New Church upper Ryde, Isle of Wight and Jane Cooper of the Parish of Sunning , Berkshire, were married by Licence this eleventh day of December in the Year of Our Lord, One Thousand seven hundred and ninety two in this church by me Thomas Fowler Clerk.  This marriage was solemnised between us signed, Thomas Williams and Jane Cooper in the presence of Edward Cooper, Cassandra Elizabeth Austen, Jane Austen.

3. John buried 7th April 1775.

4. Elizabeth removed from Steventon to Old Basing, 1797. Pregnant.   Who was she working for?

Check possible marriage to James Loader at Steventon, 9th February 1822.

5. William fathered illegitimate child by Martha Huse, 1800. Note that a Martha Hughes married Charles Wellman at Old Basing on 14th May 1810. Witnesses John Hornsby and Rachael Hall. She was probably baptised at Old Basing 19 October 1777, daughter of Edward and Hannah Huse.

6. Jane married Joseph Wells on 7th February 1802. This is the first Armstrong marriage recorded in Basingstoke. Joseph came from Nately Scures. It is of great interest and curiosity that the witnesses at her wedding were Charles Spier (any connection with Odiham?) and Jane Fidler (sister to the Elizabeth who married her brother James.)?

7. John (The second son to bear this name) Information from Carole Steele found May 1994 shows that he was living at Portsea at the time of the 1851 Census and 1841 Census.

PORTSEA 1841 Census Microfilm 191e

St George Ward Enumeration District 2 —— Britain Street

John Armstrong 60 Labourer Yes (Born in this County)

Sarah Armstrong 40    Yes (born in this County)

This gives his correct age. An entry in the IGI for Lyndhurst a child Mary baptised 10 November 1816. They were living in Lyndhurst at the time and there were no other baptisms by parents named John and Sarah. His occupation was given as “Mariner” on the baptismal record. Britain Street is near the harbour area of Portsea. Info from Carole Steele

 

 

PORTSEA 1851 census

John Armstrong           75 born Steventon

Sarah Armstrong         56 born Hambledon

 

The Census records them as living, ”at the back of Trafalgar Place.” John’s occupation was listed as “labourer”. One mystery is that this John appears to have used the age of his brother, who died in infancy, and is recorded as being 5 years older than he should be. I wonder why!

From the IGI John Armstrong married Sarah Carpenter on 21st April 1816 at Portsea St Mary.

Sarah daughter of Sarah Carpenter baptised 24th February 1796, Hambledon. Was John the father?

8.         Charles            nothing known at present

 

9. Sarah           nothing known for certain (check possible marriage to’ Francis Whitear, Cheriton 1818.)

 

1O. Timothy buried 9th January 1787, aged 5 months.

Chapter 2

This chapter begins with the marriage of James Armstrong (son of James and Linny) to Elizabeth Fidler. They were also married by the Rev: George Austen at Steventon on 11th November 1792

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They had 8 children before
Elizabeth died.


1.         James  baptised
2 November 1793  at Basingstoke

2.         Charles born 1795 at Steventon

3.         William baptised 7 May 1797             at Basingstoke

4.         Joseph baptized 22 February 1801 at  Basingstoke

5.         Charlotte baptized 13 February 1803 at Basingstoke

6.         Mary Ann baptized 24 February 1805 at Basingstoke

7.         John baptised  1 February 1807 at Basingstoke

8.         David  baptized 12 December 1808 at Basingstoke

 

Elizabeth Fidler died in 1810.

James married again to Elizabeth Smith on 13th November 1813.

They had four children before he died in 1819 aged 48.

1.         Henry  baptised 13th February 1814   Reel M8,

            PR 10 (1813—1831), Page 11, No 84.

 

2.         Elizabeth baptised 10th May 1815 Reel M8,

            PR 10, Page 24, No 185.

 

3.         George baptised 22nd November 1816 Reel M8,

            PR 12, Page 40, No 314.

 

4.         Ann Baptised 11th December 1818.    Reel M8

            PR 10, Page ———, No

 

After James’s death, Elizabeth remarried, this time to John Emmens (Emmans or Hemmings) depending on the spelling of the registrar at the time. They had at least three more children and lived at Elbow Corner near St Michaels Church. The first child was baptised Emmens, the second Emmans and the third Hemmings, all with the same parents living at the same address. Such information as we have on all these children is given below.

1. James nothing known at present

2.         Charles            Married Sarah Beems on 2nd May 1822 at Basingstoke.                     Buried 1st August 1864, aged 70.PR 30 (Burials 1859—1875) No 336. Sarah

            buried 17th January 1868, aged 86, PR 30, No 579. Lived at Winchester Road,

Basingstoke.   (Ancestors of Kay Westall, nee Armstrong, who live in Crowthorne, Berks.)  She says that Charles was deaf.  Could explain my own hearing problem if it is hereditary.

 

Living in Winchester Street, Basingstoke in 1841 census. Aged 57 in 1851 census. Agricultural labourer. Previously listed as an Ostler on baptismal documents.

Son Edward baptised 16th August 1822, Reel M8, PR 10. Father listed as an Ostler.

Son William baptised 3rd April 1825, Reel M8, PR 10, Page 138, No 1103. Father listed as a labourer.

3. William nothing known at present.

 

4. Joseph we are descended from him. His family are the subject of the next chapter.

5. Charlotte nothing known at present

6.         Mary Ann        nothing known at present
7.         John     nothing known at present

8.         David  Beer retailer in Basingstoke, living in Winchester Street in the 1841 census. Wife 10 years older than himself. Married Jane----- .(of Long Collingham, Notts?)    The road map only shows a Collingham in Notts (IGI shows a North Collingham and a South Collingham) and another in Yorkshire.   They were listed in the 1851 census as living in Winton Street, Basingstoke.    Jane died in 1856, aged 58.

 

Son John baptised 6th November 1831, Reel M8,PR 11, Page 11, No 83.      (Buried 5th April 1833. aged 17 months) Reel M8, PR 22, No 1157,

 

Daughter Jane baptised 14th March 1834, Reel M8, PR 11, Page 39, No 308.  She married George Weston and lived in Islington, London.   Info from Phyllis Stow, Portsmouth, who is descended from them.   Not in IGI as married after 1840.
Daughter
Elizabeth born 21st October,1836.   Info from Phyllis Stow.

 

9.         Henry.  Info from Stanley Armstrong, Australia, 2006.

1861 census shows Henry Armstrong, born Basingstoke, living in the Parish of St George’s Hanover, Square London.  It says he was born 1811 but the Hants records say 1814.   He had a wife Elizabeth also born in Basingstoke in 1816.  A son Alfred was born 1854 and baptised St George’s, Hanover Square. Also a daughter Emily baptised 1856 in same place.   The 1881 census shows an Alfred H. Armstrong aged 28 in the Parish of St George’s.   This looks likely to be a correct piece of info.  Stanley will confirm if possible.

 

lO.       Elizabeth Buried 29th October 1819 aged four and a half years.

 

ll.         George married Rose Fisher see file. He was a Bricklayer in Basingstoke.

Baptised 22 November 1816. Winchester R.0. Reel M8, PR1O 1813—1831). Married. Wife Rose buried 25 May 1867,aged 53. PR 30 (1859—1875), lived Victoria Street, Basingstoke. George, Buried 14 May 1868, aged 52. PR 30 (1859—1875).

Children

a) Son George baptised 14 August 1853 PR1l, Page 64, No 505. Father listed as a labourer.

b) Daughter Anne, baptised 23 March 1865.

c) Daughter Elizabeth (Harmsworth) baptised 2 March 1869 PRll, Page 42,No 331.

12. Ann nothing known at present.

 

Note from this that previous generations of Armstrongs had lived in Winchester Street long before grandfather was born in Winchester Road. Draw chart-showing overlap of lifetimes from census documents

 

Chapter 3

Joseph Armstrong married Ann Woolverd (Woolford) on 31 July 1824 in Basingstoke and both enjoyed long lives.

Ann was born in Sherborne St John (1807)? and her parents were John Woolford and Elizabeth Cooper. They (her parents) were married at Sherborne St John on 21st October 1802.

Witnesses at Joseph and Anne’s wedding were William Draper and Hannah Ballard, who were married in Basingstoke on 25th December 1824. It is interesting that in 1898 Charlotte May Armstrong was a witness at the wedding of Albert Ballard and Emily Lovell. It seems that the families were friends over a very long time.

Joseph and Ann had 11 children and lived for many years (about 40 but check) at Bunnian Place, Basingstoke. Joseph worked as a sawyer, presumably at the timber yard on the Basingstoke Canal, near the site of the present Bus Station (1991). Joseph died on 31 December 1875 at Bunnian Place.   Ann died on 18th September 1893 at Bunnian Place aged 86. She is recorded as a Laundress from Sherborne in the 1891 census. They lived about half way up the east side of Bunnian Place, their garden backing onto what was known as the Steam Dell. There is practically nothing left of the old Bunnian Place now. It is near the Alencon Link and contains a large Civil Service building. It is also not far from St Michaels Church, Chute House and the Railway Station. There is a Public House at the far end of Bunnian Place furthest from the railway. It might be worth checking its history and age. The Queen’s Head is the name in 2006.

Joseph and Ann appear in the Basingstoke Census records for

(1841), (1851), (1861) and (1871).

 Joseph died on 31st December 1875 aged 75 at Bunnian Place.   His death was registered by Mary Ann Howell (this name is hard to read on the copy certificate and could be Newell, Sewell, or similar), needs checking with the original. She was  presumably their daughter Mary Ann who was present at the death, but the certificate does not say “daughter” as it usually does.  She gave her address as Bunnian Place.  Ken Smith said that Auntie Edie used to visit them and he remembered them as distant relatives. Anne died 18th September 1890 aged 86 at Bunnian Place.   The death was registered by her son John who gave his address at the time as 5, Western Terrace, Basingstoke.  The Certificate says that John was present at her death.

Their children were

0.         Charlotte Baptised 6th February 1824 Reel MB, PR 10,

Page 137, No 1093. Look for burial of this one.

1.         James  Baptised          1826
2.        
Charlotte         Baptised          1828
3.        
Elizabeth         Baptised          1829
4.         Joseph             Baptised          1831

5.         Charles            Baptised          1832
6.         Mary Ann        Baptised          1834

7.         John                 Baptised          1836
8.         William           Baptised          1840
9.         Louisa             Baptised         
18th December 1842
10.       Ellen                Baptised          1846
1l.        Alfred              Baptised          1848  born 7 May
1848 Bunnian Place.

We are descended from William. Details of the above children collected to date are listed on the next page.

Details of the children of Joseph and Ann

1.         James nothing known at present. See 1851 census. check birth/baptismal dates.             Aged 27 in census.

2.         Charlotte nothing known at present. See 1851 census. check birth/baptismal             dates. Aged 25 in census.

3.         Elizabeth Domestic servant in Ryde Isle of Wight. Carole Steele found her in           the 1851 Census in the Parish of Newchurch. Elizabeth had three illegitimate     children baptised in Basingstoke. They were

a) Henry. baptised 17th August 1851 Reel M8, PR 11, Page 41, No 326. Buried 3rd April 1856, aged 4 years. PR 22 (Burials 1839—1859) No 1308.    His birth certificate says that he was born on 4th July 1851 at Bunnian Place and his birth was registered on 14th August 1851 by Joseph her father.

b) Margaret baptised 4th September 1859. Reel M8, PR II, Page 122, No 975. who was living with Joseph and Ann at the time of the (1861) census. She was ---years of age in the census record.

c)         Thomas baptised 25th July 1861, Reel M8, PR 11, Page 141, No 1125.  Thomas was born at Victoria Street , Basingstoke on 2nd July 1861.  His mother Elizabeth made her mark with a cross when she registered the birth on 27th July 1861.

It is interesting that Elizabeth travelled as far as Ryde for work and it would be intriguing to know who her boyfriend was. Check census records for loW and Basingstoke. Did she work for a family with a house in both places?   See two generations earlier when James Armstrong married Elizabeth Fidler.   The next marriage on the page shows a marriage of a person living at New Church, upper Ryde Isle of Wight.   Clearly someone in the Isle of Wight was familiar with Steventon.

Probably a co-incidence but???

4. Joseph Listed in the 1851 census as visiting George and

Mary Glass in Winchester. George was a Maltsters assistant.

Joseph was listed as unmarried, aged 21 and a bookseller.

5.         Charles            buried 1 January 1833.
6.         Mary Ann        nothing known at present
7.         John     Listed in 1851 census for
Basingstoke aged 13.  Info from Stanley Armstrong, South Australia, says he was born/ baptised 1836.  He was a carpenter by occupation which is quite common for our family. 

He first married Ann Mears on 21st May 1866 in the parish of Wootton St Lawrence, Hampshire.  She was the daughter of John Hampton and Maria Mears.  Maria was born in 1845 in Ramsdale, Hampshire.

Secondly he married Jane Bunker on 6th May 1874 in Aldenham, Hertfordshire.  She was the daughter of Joseph Bunker and Elizabeth.   She was born in Aldenham, Herts in  1846 and baptised 13th September 1846 at Aldenham..

Children of John Armstrong and Jane Bunker are;

i)          Jane Armstrong born 1877, Richmond, Surrey.

 

ii)         Louisa Armstrong born 1879, Richmond, Surrey.

 

iii)        John Armstrong born 28th January, 1881, Richmond, Surrey.

 

            died 19th October 1963, Basingstoke, Hants.

 

This John Armstrong married Edith Julia Miller on 2nd February, 1907 in the Register Office, Basingstoke, Hants.   She was born 14th November, 1883 in Worcester, England.

Children of John Armstrong and Edith Miller are [available from the author.]

[Note: a portion of the text has been deleted for reasons of privacy.   Interested researchers should contact the author, who is the participant in Kit #47876.]

 

8.         William we are descended from William, see next chapter. Listed in 1851   census for Basingstoke aged 11.

9.         Louisa she is recorded as a witness on William’s marriage certificate. Listed in             1851 census for Basingstoke aged 8.     Louisa married John William Wells on        8th May 1866 in St John’s Church, Richmond, Surrey.   John was the son of       William Wells, born 1851 in Richmond, Surrey.

            They had the following children.

            i)         William Henry Wells born 16 March 1867

            ii)        Louisa Charlotte Wells born 1870

            iii)       Ellen Mary Wells born 1872

            iv)       Jane Wells born 1874

            v)         Ernest Wells born 1875

            vi)       Edith Wells born 1878

            vii)      Rachel Wells born 1879

 

10.       Ellen listed in 1851 census for Basingstoke aged 5 years.

11.       Alfred listed in 1851 census for Basingstoke, aged 2 years.

            Alfred born 7 May 1848 in Basingstoke, died 23 June 1920 at 5 Hartington Road, Aston, Birmingham.   He married Julia Durant on 20 June 1872 in the           parish church at Spitisbury, Dorset.  She was the daughter of John Durant and            Martha Green.   Alfred was at various times a grocer, salesman and clerk.

            Alfred and Julia had the following children

 

i)         Harriet Amelia Armstrong born 9 May 1873, Longham, Hampreston, Dorset

            She died 1958.

ii)        Louisa Beatrice Armstrong born 16 December 1874, Chicks Lane, Bruton,   Somerset.   She died 3 December 1943 at 87 Rawlings Road, Smethwick,          Birmingham.

iii)       Ida Elizabeth Armstrong born 7 March 1876, Chicks Lane, Bruton, Somerset.

            She died 23 July 1942 Birmingham.

iv)       Alfred John Armstrong, born 11 March 1878, Chicks Lane, Bruton, Somerset.

            Died 1 February 1965 at 1 Western Road, Winsor Green, Birmingham.

v)         Sidney William Armstrong, born 16 January 1880, Bayford, Stoke Tristor,   Somerset.  He died 11 January 1932 at 3, Normandy Road, Handsworth,

            Birmingham.

vi)       Josephine Agnes Armstrong. born 20 November 1883 at 50 Well Street,             Handsworth, Birmingham.

vii)      Elsie Eveline Armstrong, born 6 December 1887 at 115, Wills Street, Aston

            Manor, Handsworth, Birmingham.  Married Harry May.

 

More information on the children of Alfred Armstrong and Julia Durant.

1.         Harriet Amelia Armstrong married Herbert Behague on 9 December 1894 in the parish church St Saviour, Birmingham. He was the son of Jeremiah Behague and was born on 5 April, 1871 in Villa Road, Handsworth, Birmingham.   He died in 1949.

He was an ironmonger by occupation.

Children of Harriet Armstrong and Herbert Behague are

i)         Hilda Josephine Behague born 7 June 1896

 

ii)        Florence Louise Behague born 1 February 1903, married Smith 1928           Tamworth, Warwickshire.

 

2.         Ida Elizabeth Armstrong married August Edward Segnitz 9 February 1901 in Parish of St Michael, Handsworth, Birmingham.   He was born on  22 August 1872 in Barton Stetford, England.    Ida was buried 30 July 1942, Witton Lane Cemetery Birmingham.

 

August Edward Segnitz was an Electrical Engineer.   He must have been one of the early ones as Electrical Engineering was a fairly new subject at the time.

Children of Ida Armstrong and August Segnitz are

1.         Stella Rose Segnitz, born 1902, Birmingham, England.

2.         Sidney Theodore Segnitz, born 12 January,1905 at 35 Malvern Road,

            Handsworth, Birmingham, England.  He died on 25 January 1972 at

            53 Thetford Road, Great Barr, Birmingham, England.

3.         August Edward Segnitz born 1906.

4.         Alfred Henry Segnitz born 1908, Birmingham , England.

5.         Barbara Evelyn Segnitz, born 1910, Birmingham , England, died 14 May 1944,

            Birmingham, England,   Burial 18 may 1944.  Family grave, Witton Cemetery,             Birmingham.

6.         George Healy Segnitz, born 1911, Birmingham, England, married Alice       Plumpton. 1939.

7.         Ida B.Segnitz, born 1914, Birmingham.

 

Alfred John Armstrong (gem Setter/Jeweller) son of Alfred Armstrong and Julia Durant married three times.

Firstly he married Nellie Pittaway on 2 December 1897 in the Register Office in Aston, Birmingham,

Children of Alfred and Nellie were

1.         [One child]

2.         [One child]

3.         [One child]

4.         [One child]

 

Alfred then had one child with Ethel Raffill

5.         [One child]

 

Alfred married Emma Elizabeth Abbott in the Register Office at West Bromwich on

1 June 1922.

6.         [One child]

 

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Chapter 4

William Armstrong, baptised 1840, married Mary Ann Moody (daughter of Charles Moody and Mary Blunden,  in Basingstoke) at Basingstoke on 19th October 1865 at the Baptist Meeting House, King’s Road, Reading. Kings Road Baptist Church stood not far from what is now the Central  Library (2002). There is today, 2002, a Wycliffe Baptist Church in King’s Road at the far end of this road from the town centre. It is over half a mile away from the original site and near Cemetery Junction at the other end of Kings Road.   A book called “The story of Reading” says that there was another Baptist Meeting House further along King’s Road towards the town centre. Mary Ann Moody was born 17th January, 1843.  We have a photograph of her that was taken sometime before 1913, in which year she died. At the time of their marriage they were both living at No 1, Martha Place, Coley Street, Reading. There was a timber yard on the river Kennett not too far from there where William may have worked. Mary Ann was about six months pregnant at the time of the wedding. William’s younger sister Louisa was a witness at the wedding and so was Charles Moody the bride’s father. It seems that William married “up market” because William was a sawyer and Charles was a carpenter. William later became a carpenter and may have received some tuition from his father- in-law. Other members of the Moody family had small businesses in Basingstoke. Charles Moody lived in Winchester Street(Road) check. My grandfather was born in Winchester Road so I presume they lived with Mary’s parents for a while or found accommodation in the same road. Harry (my grandfather) was the third child and the fifth child (Alfred Ernest) was born in Andover at a place called Mount Terrace. They then moved to one of a group of four thatched cottages in Deane to the west of Basingstoke. Approx; dates 1878—1886. They must have been good times related down the generations by grandmother Mary. Although the family were there for less than ten years older members of the family talked of my brother “going home” when he moved to Basingstoke in 1959 almost 80 years later!  Great Grandmother Mary Armstrong, nee Moody, died 28th July 1913 aged 70.   She died at 5, Norman Place ,Basingstoke.  

William and Mary’s children were

1.         William Charles Moody Armstrong, born 8 January 1866 at Winchester Road, Basingstoke. He reported his father’s death to the registrar in 1886. Date of father’s death 9th December 1886. Also a witness at the wedding of Auntie Lou and Uncle Will in 1895, see below.

 

2.         Mary Louisa Armstrong (Auntie Lou) listed on the marriage certificate as a Domestic Servant. See 66MM83 PR5, Page 24. She married Uncle Will Cooper (Henry William Cooper, Labourer), one of my grandmothers brothers, at Deane on 3rd June 1895. His address was given as London Road, Stanwell and his father described as James Cooper (Grocer). The shop was also the Post Office. He was 26 and she was 27. I believe they lived at Hendon or in that area.

They both signed their names in the presence of Edmund. J Cooper (Uncle Ned), and  Jeannie Moody ( a relative of Mary, Sister?). My Aunt Gertie told me that she lived in Queen’s Road ,Basingstoke as did Auntie Edie. William Armstrong also signed. He must have been her brother William Charles Moody Armstrong. This at least tells us that he was still in England in 1895, aged 29.   

We now have considerable information on James Cooper from Major (retd) Brian Oldham who runs the Crimean War Index.    James was my paternal grandmother’s father.   He married Mary Ann Tabitha Hobart on 28th March 1865.   My grandmother was their first child born in 1866. The Marriage Certificate says he was a widower but his Army record does not give any previous marriage.  He was about 36 at the time so it could easily have been a second marriage.  James joined the Royal Artillery at the age of 19 and completed  21 years and two months service.  He was sent to the Crimean War for about two years and this counted as extra service which allowed him to leave after 21 years and 2 months.  He was aged 40 on discharge. See Appendix “B” for the full report on his career.  

 

 

3.         Harry Armstrong (my grandfather)      born in 1871 at Winchester Road,             Basingstoke.

 

4.         John Wells Armstrong born Basingstoke

 

5.         Alfred Ernest Armstrong, born 8th October 1876, at Mount Terrace, Andover.

6.         Thomas. Joseph Armstrong (Tom)      born at Deane 1879.

7.         James Armstrong         His Birth Certificate says that he was born at Deane on 7th November 1880 and the birth was registered by his mother in the sub-district of Dummer on 20th December 1880.

8.         Charlotte May Armstrong        born Deane

9.         Edith Armstrong (Auntie Edie) born Deane.

 

Whilst living at Deane, William was an Estate carpenter at Oakley Hall (now Hilsea College 1992). Oakley Hall, was owned at that time by Mr Higgs—Beach (Hicks—Beach?) who was Speaker of the House of Commons.

The time at Deane must have been a happy one. It was possibly the first home of their own and four children were born there. Although it lasted only 8 years it was regarded as the family home generations later.

Harry (my grandfather) trained at Oakley Hall as a gardener. See the story he wrote about life there. Appendix “C”. Donald George Armstrong Smith (my father’s cousin) and eldest son of Edith Armstrong and George Smith, painted a picture of the thatched cottage, this was in the possession of Ken Smith his brother. Ken died a few years ago and the picture location is not known.

We have some details of most of their nine children.

1.         William Charles Moody Armstrong. He reported his father’s death to the registrar in 1886 (William died on 19th December 1886) and he was a witness at his sister Louisa’s wedding on 3rd June 1895 when he was aged 29. Family legend has it that he may have gone to Canada but this needs checking.

 

2.         Mary Louisa (Auntie Lou) she married Uncle Will ( Henry William Cooper) one of my paternal grandmother’s brothers. They were married in Deane Parish Church in 1895. If my memory is correct they lived in the Hendon area.   I spoke to their son Ernest, some time ago, but never actually met him.  I have a letter from him.  He died in 1998 aged 94. 

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3.         Harry Armstrong (my grandfather) See Appendix 2 Auntie Gertie’s appreciation of her mother.

 

Grandad was musical and played the Double Bass so I am told. He was largely self—educated and I can still remember a large set of books called xxxx’s Complete Home Educator being on his bookshelf at 25, Coleridge Road, Ashford, Middx. We lived at No19.     I don’t know when he left school but an interesting article, “The Education Revolution” pp16-23 in Ancestors Magazine, May 2004 says that compulsory education started with the 1870 Education Act.  The school leaving age was then (in 1881) ten years!   It was raised to 12 years in 1899 and to 14 years in 1918.  Grandad was born in 1871 and wrote about having bacon and eggs for breakfast in the carpenters shop with his father at Oakley Hall. His father, William, died on 9th December 1886 when Harry was only fifteen and a half and according to the above information most probably left school at ten years of age.   Grandma Mary most probably left Deane and moved to Basingstoke after William died as they were probably in a cottage tied to his job at Oakley Hall. She is recorded in Basingstoke in the --- census and died at 5 Norman Place, Basingstoke in 1913.  The death was reported by her daughter Edith Smith (Auntie Edie) who was living at 20, Goat Lane at the time.  This was the same year as Edie and Daniel George Smith  were married. Harry probably left Oakley Hall at that time to work for Joice and Co.   Grandad was, I suspect, at Oakley Hall from 1881 to early1887.   He wrote a story of his life at Oakley Hall, which he probably gave as a talk to the Wesley Guild at Ashford (Middx) in the early 1920’s.  The Guild was started in 1919.   See Appendix---  . This story, “An exciting adventure with a bear, a true story” is of historical interest in several ways.  [Note: a portion of the text has been deleted for reasons of privacy.   Interested researchers should contact the author, who is the participant in Kit #47876.]

  It was an Air Force tradition that if a Group Captain had been considered to be a good man during his time on a station then the Sergeants would wear white belts and using two thick white ropes about 8 or 10 of them would tow his car from the main gate to the Officers Mess as a sign of high regard and respect when he was due to leave for another station.    Grandad’s story shows that this tradition goes back a lot further because the son of the owner of Oakley Hall, who was in the Army in India, was given similar treatment on his return.   The horses were removed from his carriage and the servants towed his carriage from the gate to the main entrance in a similar way to the Air Force tradition but about 80 years earlier.   It would be interesting to know the origin of this custom.

 

A recent “find” at the Ashford Methodist Church was the original Wesley Guild Minute books from 1919 to 1943. These show that Harry was many times Devotional President of the Wesley Guild and sometimes on the Musical Committee. He also ran a Boys Bible Class until not long before his death. Harry died in 1937 at the age of 65. I was just under six years old at the time and can remember visiting Grandad when he was ill in bed. I used to be given some of his grapes and often built towers of dominoes high enough for him to see over the end of the bed. Just before he died I can remember that my brother ….  and I were not allowed to ride our pedal car up and down outside his house in case the noise disturbed him. I don’t suppose he would have been bothered by it but it may have been a way of the family telling us that he was very ill.

Grandad had a landscape gardening business for many years before he died, no doubt using the training from Oakley Hall. Auntie Rosalie says it was moving a heavy paving slab into the correct place, because one of his men had not laid it precisely enough, that brought on a heart attack from which he never fully recovered. He lived for some time afterwards.

There are two early childhood memories of grandad that are the earliest memories I can date approximately. One is sitting by a row of peas on his allotment and eating them raw. They were very sweet and very good. He died in 1937 so that must have been when I was five or younger. The other is Grandad bouncing me on his knee as though I was riding a horse. I was probably only four at the time. I cannot date any earlier memories. He and Grandma were much loved in the area and in the Church. …..  Wilson, whom I met at the 50th Anniversary of the new Ashford Methodist Church in 1990, told me how much they were both loved by all who knew them. She said that Grandad gave her, her foundations of Christianity. Anyone who is fondly remembered 53 years after their death must have achieved a great deal. Grandad was also Church caretaker for many years and a brass plate on the Communion rail still records that fact. (1990). The latest (2005) Methodist Church in Ashford stands on the site of his allotment as did the second one from 1937 to 2004. Both the second Church and our house received damage during the 1939—1945 war when a V2 rocket landed between Church Road and Clarendon Road and just on the Methodist Church side of Dudley Road. Fortunately it fell in a soft garden or this piece of family history would never have been written by me.   In 2003 it was announced that the present church premises would be demolished  sometime in 2004 and replaced by “affordable housing” and a smaller church on the same site.  The new church, the third on this site, was opened in 2005.   It is a pleasant building but very much smaller than the one I knew.

 

4. Corporal John Wells Armstrong (Jack) served in the South African War (1899—1902) in the 1st Battalion of The Middlesex Regiment and received a Campaign Medal No 4956 for the Relief of Ladysmith with a clasp for Tugela Heights and other engagements. He died in South Africa and his death certificate says “died Enteric” so he got a serious form of enteritis. This was the term used for Typhoid in those days.    From his death certificate it would seem that 4956 was his regimental number and he was listed as a Private belonging to the 2nd Battalion, Middlesex Regiment at the time of his death.   He died on 18th March 1900 and was buried in Pietermaritzburg (Fort Napier).  He is buried in grave number 886 in plot “W”.   See PRO record WO 108/367 and Death Certificate SA 059474.    I once saw his medal at the home of [Note: a portion of the text has been deleted for reasons of privacy.   Interested researchers should contact the author, who is the participant in Kit #47876.]

 

5.         Alfred Ernest Armstrong married-------------------and lived at 44, Chancelot Road, Abbey Wood, Plumstead.  He was a carpenter at the Royal Arsenal, Woolwich. He died of inoperable stomach cancer at the age of 57 and left a widow----and two children, a daughter Eileen and a son A.J. Armstrong. Full names as yet unknown.

 

 

6. Thomas Joseph Armstrong (Tom) was a cripple and never married. He lived for a short time with my grandparents in Ashford. Cousin Ken Smith says he died in a home at Hungerford.   Stanley from Kapunda says he died in 1949 aged 70.  Death registered in Basingstoke.   The 1901 census shows him living with his mother Mary (widow) and sister Edith (Auntie Edie) at 5, Norman Place, Basingstoke.  Tom is listed as a striker in a foundry (aged 22) and Edith as a tailoress.    If Tom was a cripple it raises the question that he may have been crippled by injury at work or another accident.  It does not seem like a job for someone already a cripple.

7. James Armstrong joined the Militia (Territorial Army) in  Westminster. He was enlisted in the 3rd Battalion of The Middlesex Regiment on 4th August 1896 at the age of 17 years and 9 months. He was a small man and the following details are given on his enlistment form. We have a copy from the PRO at Kew.

Height 5 ft 5 inches

Weight 118 lb (Eight and one half stones)

Chest minimum 31 inches, maximum 33 and a half inches

Eyes grey         Hair     Brown

Religion C of E

James was attested (Signed on) for 6 years as a Militiaman in the County of London.

James was employed by a Mr Mowlen of 21, Grosvenor Road, Westminster as a builder’s labourer and he himself lived at 8, Purbeck Place, Grosvenor Road, Westminster. Presumably James moved from Basingstoke to Westminster to find work.

Was Mr Mowlen actually John Mowlem founder of the large Construction Company of that name. That is another trail to pursue some time.

So far (1992) 1 can account, at least in part, for all the nine children. However, efforts to trace William Charles Moody Armstrong have so far failed. Nothing has been found of James except his enlistment form.

 

Family legend has it that one of them went to Canada (possibly Toronto) and the other possibly to South Africa. I guess I shall have to check migrations to Canada, USA, South Africa and Australia and New Zealand at some time.    The Hampshire Genealogical Society magazine for February 2000 shows that emigration to Canada had taken place from Sherborne St John in the years 1835 and 1836.   Others may well have followed from the Basingstoke area .   Another copy of the HGS  shows a photo of an Armstrong working in the Medicine Hat Post Office in Canada about 1910.  He is clearly recognisable as one of our family but no further info could be obtained.

One fascinating clue, worth recording is that during the 1914—1918 war a Canadian soldier, calling himself Uncle Jack, called at 25, Coleridge Road, Ashford and found no one at home. He left a note. Presumably he got off the train at Ashford to visit them whilst en—route to Aldershot. A book giving the history of Englefield Green says that there was a Canadian Army Camp in Windsor Great Park during the 1914—18 war so he was probably stationed there. If so he must have moved on very quickly because he could otherwise have made another visit to Ashford quite easily. This story came from Auntie Gertie.  Auntie Rosalie (89 in 1992, died on 16th January 1993 one week short of her 90th birthday) seems to think he came to meet her from school. Regrettably he was not heard of again and could have been’one of the many Canadian casualties in France. Strangely the Canadians have no record of his war service.  The following is speculation. If James was unmarried at 18 in 1896 it is unlikely to have been his son, but a son of the firstborn William Charles Moody Armstrong could have been the right age. It could possibly have been James himself if for some reason he was also called Jack. It seems unlikely because his brother John was called Jack but he was long dead by then, or was he? If he was recorded as dead but actually escaped from some prison camp or made his way to Canada from South Africa it could really have been Uncle Jack. He would have been about 37 in 1916. This is worth following up some time!

8.         Charlotte May Armstrong (Auntie Lottie). I can just about remember Auntie Lottie. She married Tom Craig a Scottish soldier during the 1914 —1918 war or just after (check date). Poor Lottie realised that she had made a mistake immediately but divorce was not the done thing in those days. They had one son Geoffrey Thomas Craig, a wonderful chap. He was a parachute instructor in India during the 1939-1945 war.  Most of his war gratuity went on paying his father’s gambling debts but as soon as they were paid he incurred more.  Geoff married rather late a girl called Eileen. They had no children and Geoff died in his fifties in spite of keeping up gymnastics and being very fit. He loved singing as well as physical training and modelled himself on Richard Tauber and Caruso.

 

9.         Edith Armstrong (Auntie Edie) Edie was a babe in arms when her father died aged 46. How Grandma Mary coped we will never know.  Edie had a sparkle in her eye and a wonderful sense of humour. She was the most popular of the three Aunts of her generation. She married Daniel George Smith in 1913.  He was a toolmaker at the Thorneycroft lorry works in Basingstoke.  They lived in Queen’s Road and the two sons Don born 1916 and Ken born 1918.  Don played in the Basingstoke Silver Band and was a good cornet player. See book on the Basingstoke Silver Band,  Uncle George was short and stocky and Auntie Edie was a little shorter and a little tubbier. They were both easy to talk to.

Uncle George was paid less as a toolmaker with apprentices to train, than men doing less skilled work on the production line who could earn a bonus. This problem has existed in the British Engineering Industry for decades or is it centuries? I last visited Auntie Edie at Queen’s Road when I was based at RAF Odiham in Autumn 1955. I took her a box of chocolates, not knowing that she was diabetic. She assured me that she would eat them when no one was looking but not all at once. Their eldest son (Donald George Armstrong Smith) was in the Royal Army Ordnance Corps. He died in Burma after nearly two years of work on the infamous Burma Railway portrayed in the film “Bridge on the River Kwai”.  I was always told that he had died on a forced march after the capture of Singapore by the Japanese.  This left me with the idea that he died of some disease quite quickly after capture.   Only in January 2004 did I find out from ….. Armstrong in Adelaide, Australia, that he had not died till November 1943, although captured after the fall of Singapore on 8th February 1942.  

The dead were buried near the railway line where they were working but after the war their remains were transferred to Thanbyuzayat.

His grave is now in the THANBYUZAYAT WAR CEMETERY in Burma.   It is 65 kilometres from Moulmein and the war cemetery lies at the foot of the hills which separate the Union of Myanmar (Burma) from Thailand.   Grave number B6.D.8.   Don died on 17th November 1943 , aged 27.

Don married Hilda May Povey in the September Quarter of 1940, Basingstoke Vol:2c, Page 1117.    Don and his father George Smith were members of the Basingstoke Silver Band.     After the war Hilda remarried and went to live in Australia.

I believe some of his personal effects were brought home for George and Edie by one of his fellow prisoners. They gave very good reports of him. The younger son, Ken, married Joyce Hopgood, daughter of a Basingstoke Coal Merchant. They were married in the March Quarter of 1941 Basingstoke records Vol:2c, page 803. 

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Chapter 5

Harry Armstrong (my Grandfather) married Annie Eleanor Cooper at Stanwell Parish Church on 2nd July 1892.  Her brothers Henry William Cooper and Edmund James Cooper signed as witnesses.  Harry was living in Egham at that time according to their marriage certificate and his occupation was given as Coach Fitter.  He was born on 30th August 1871 and she was born 25th October 1866.   The marriage Certificate shows his father, William, as a carpenter and her father, James Cooper, as a grocer.

Harry was a Coach Fitter at the time of his marriage so it seems that he picked up some of his father’s trade skills as well as gardening. A study of the history of Basingstoke suggests how he may have come to Staines. In Basingstoke there was a timber firm called Joice. Joice’s yard is still on the map of Basingstoke (1990). At some stage Joice’s bought up a coachbuilder in Staines by the name of Luxford. It seems probable that Grandad, being a young bachelor, was sent from the Basingstoke Branch to the Staines Branch of the company. He probably met Grandma at Staines Methodist Church but they could have met daily because Luxford’s was in Staines High Street and I seem to remember that Grandma worked as a dressmaker who was also in the High Street. On Sundays they had an open-air service in the Market Square and then marched down the High Street to the old Methodist Church in Kingston Road. This was demolished in the late 1980’s to make way for offices and a new Church was built just off the Market Square where open air services had been held 100 years before.

Annie Eleanor was a staunch evangelical Methodist as was Harry and also her parents James Cooper and Mary Hobart. James Cooper was a Sergeant in the Royal Artillery when he retired from the Army. He fought in the Crimean war and received a head wound, which assisted his death but not until the age of 90. He died in 1920. He must have been a tough one. James was born on 26th October 1829.

 

Sgt James Cooper Royal Artillery

 

His discharge document, in my possession, is dated 19th January 1869 and gives the following information.

 

No 2137 Sgt James Cooper of the Royal Regiment of Artillery when discharged at Warley (near Brentwood, Essex) this 19th day of January 1869.

 

Age 40 years    ( He was actually 39 and two months at the time.)

Height 5 feet 8 inches

Complexion     Fair

Eyes    Grey

Hair     Fair

Trade   Labourer

 

Intended place of  residence    Holloway, London.

 

Major S. Williams Paymaster  3rd Battalion Depot Brigade RA.   Twenty days subsistence at one shilling per diem and railway fare from Brentwood to Highbury for self and wife at my own request.

 

No 13 Battery, Depot Brigade Royal Regiment of Artillery

 

These are to certify that No 2137 Sergeant James Cooper born in the Parish of Marylebone in or near the town of London in the County of Middlesex was enlisted at Gloucester for the Royal Artillery on 3rd November 1847 at the age of 19 years.

That the service he is entitled to reckon is 21 years 50 days towards the completion of his limited engagement and 21 years and 45 days towards Pay and Pension.

That he is discharged in consequence of his having claimed it on termination of his.

second period of limited engagement. ( NOTE!  His birth date is given by relatives as being 1829, which would make him 18 years at this time.)

 

Service abroad                2 and 1/12 years

Medals  Crimean and Turkish

 

Dated at Warley  30th day of December 1868, Horse Guards 19th day of January 1869.   Signed W.E Grant Col;   3rd Div: Depot Brigade RA.

 

Character and Conduct

 

His conduct has been very good and he was,when promoted, in the possession of two Good Conduct badges and would, had he not been promoted, have been now in the

possession of four GC badges.  He is also in possession of the Crimean and Turkish medals.   W.E Grant Col:

 

 

 

The full army career of James Cooper has been studied by Brian Oldham and details of his service career are now available at Appendix “B”and are very interesting.   He must have seen the famous Charge of the Light Brigade and also the more successful charge of the Heavy Brigade.

 

Ray Newell tells me that James’ father was also a soldier and that his wife’s parents cut her off because they did not approve of him. James ran the London Road Post Office, Ashford, Middlesex, just opposite Ashford Hospital on the A30. The Post Office is still there (1990) but not in the same building. I recently (2001) managed to get a photo of the original post office circa 1910.  It looks as though it may be similar to the way it was when great grandad ran it Ray also says that when Auntie Rosalie was living with Uncle Ned and Auntie Minnie they were caring for an Emma Hobart, possibly Mary Hobart’s sister or mother.   Evelyn Bennett, nee Newell gave me her mother’s birthday list.  Her mother was Gertie Cooper, grandma’s sister.  This shows an Emma Hobart born 1849.   I guess she was the one.

 

When Annie (Grandma) died, on 24th October 1952, I had a strange experience. I had returned from lunch to my drawing board at Vickers—Armstrongs (Aircraft) Ltd, Weybridge and as I was pondering a problem I suddenly felt that Gran had died. So strong was this feeling that I noted the time so that I could confirm it when I got home. When I got home my mother told me that Gran had died. I said, “Yes I know, it was 2.30 wasn’t it”. It was no surprise when she said, “Yes it was about then”. I cannot explain this but simply record it as a fact.

Harry and Annie had eight children but lost four of them with Diptheria. Ancestors Magazine, May 2004 , says, “Diptheria was a new disease of Victorian times.    The first epidemic came in 1858-65 and it was feared until a serum treatment was introduced successfully in 1894.   It would seem that the treatment did not reach Ashford (Middx) till later than that as my grandparents lost four children to diptheria in the period  1901-1904.

1. Harry William Hobart Armstrong (Uncle Harry) born at the London Road Post Office, Ashford, Middx, Annie’s parents home.

2. Charles Garrett Armstrong died aged one year.

See Deaths, Oct,Nov,Dec quarter 1901. Staines 3a.12

3.         Cyril Armstrong          died in infancy.

4.         Alfred Armstrong        died in infancy.

 

5.         Rosalie Minnie Armstrong, twin of Lillian Mary born 22 January 1903.

 

6.         Lillian May Armstrong            died in infancy

 

7.         George Roland Armstrong ……

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8.         Annie Gertrude Edith, born 22 March 1908 at 22, Ivy Road, Hounslow.

This address is near the railway station

 

We have the following details of their children

1. Harry William Hobart Armstrong was first married to Olive E. Goddard who died of Septasemia within about a week of falling ill.    They were married at Brentford in 1922.   Norman Stanley A tells me that her death was registered in Brentford in the December Quarter of 1934, aged 39.  Recorded in the Brentford Register Vol: 2c, 1934, page 223.   This would make her 22 at the time of marriage.  

He later married Mercia I.L. Paynter, an attractive and much younger woman. They married at Brentford in 1937.

 

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Notes on further research.

 

Peter Davis Friends of the Willis Museum, Basingstoke is looking for Armstrong references. Nov 93.

He has so far found a William Armstrong Usher at the Holy Ghost School (Grammar School) in Basingstoke, 1821— 23. He thinks he was a clerk in Holy Orders, i.e. a young churchman just out of college for whom this was a first job before becoming a Curate.

Try Winchester Record Office for ownership of the two mills in Old Basing.

Notes from a visit to The British Library, Newspaper Library, Colindale Avenue, London, NW9—5HE on 20th April 1991.

Notes from Oxford Gazette and Reading Mercury starting at No 422, December 8th, 1753.

“Yesterday John Cutler was committed to the said gaol, (County Gaol at Reading) by Benjamin Armstrong (Gent), Mayor of this Corporation, being charged on oath on a violent suspicion of feloniously burning and destroying a Pot Ash House belonging to John Davenport of the Borough.”   See details of the Armstrong family in Reading, Berks.

Same paper advertised March 23, 1754, Abingdon Flying Stage Chaise — one day to London.

April 1, 1754. An Act to prevent clandestine marriages. All banns to be published for 3 Sundays in both Parishes or an adjacent Parish if one partners Parish is too far away.

May 4th, 1754. We hear that on the removal of Rev: Mr Hele to Bath, Basingstoke School will be kept by Rev: Mr Loggon and that the school will be opened by him on Midsummer next.

October 18th, 1755. John Armstrong of Northwarmborrow, (now North Warnborough) in the Parish of Odiham in the County of Southampton, Gardiner, having purchased four acres of nursery ground, late Mr John Foster’s of Northwarmborrow aforesaid and having also a large nursery plantation of his own raising, sells all sorts of fruit and forest trees, evergreens and flowering shrubs — likewise vines, figs, gooseberries, currants, raspberries, Quinces, Medlar and Mulberries. All sorts of garden seed and bird seed, by whom Gentlemen Gardiners and others may be supplied at most reasonable prices and with utmost punctuality.

Advert Monday May 18th, 1767. Inoculation by John Armstrong

Surgeon of Godalming, Surrey. Small Pox. Prices adapted to the circumstances of patients. Willing to visit homes for an extra charge.

Monday 4th January 1768. Queen’s Promotion List

Major General Bigoe Armstrong to be Colonel Commander of a battalion in the 60th Regiment of Foot in America.   Mentioned in my Irish history.

Reading Mercury was published from 8th July 1723. Can also be seen on microfilm in Reading Local Studies Library.

Further studies.

1. See HRO 49M68 and 24M69 Map of lands in the Parish of Beaulieu belonging to the Duke of Buccleuch.

2. Look for any other land in southern England owned by Scottish lairds.

 

Work on other areas

 

1.         See Armstrongs of Odiham a separate file.

2.         See Armstrongs of Reading, Berks and Oxfordshire, a separate file.

3.         See Armstrongs from Ireland who moved to England, a separate file.

 

Autobiography of the writer of this history

 

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War memoirs of a schoolboy  1939-1945

 

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When the nightly air raids started we dug a hole at the bottom of our garden and installed an Anderson shelter.   This was made of galvanised corrugated iron sheets bolted together.   It was about half underground and half on top but covered with earth dug from the hole.    It was about 6 ft 6 inches (2 metres) long and 4ft 3 inches

(1.3 metres) wide and my father built a brick blast wall in front of the doorway.   It was made of three sheets of corrugated iron on each side bolted together and had a flat corrugated iron back and front, which contained an opening called the doorway.    It had no door apart from the blast wall that I can remember.   We used this to house our family of 4, my aunt and grandmother who lived next door but one and occasional family visitors.   I think up to 6 people slept in this shelter during the period 1941-42.   I can remember running down the garden one night and treading on a piece of wood with an upturned nail.   I still made time to look at the only formation of German bombers I ever saw.   It was a mixed formation of Heinkel 111’s and Dornier 17’s.   They were heading towards London and we could see a red glow from that direction already indicating large fires.

 

At Ashford we heard many, many nights of anti-aircraft gunfire and saw numerous searchlights.  Shrapnel, (broken pieces of shell casing) could be found in the streets in the mornings, sometimes till warm.   On one occasion a stick of bombs fell, first a bang then a louder BANG nearer to us, then a BANG on the other side and finally a bang further away and we knew that the stick had missed us.   On that night we slept under the stairs because our Anderson shelter had begun to leak and drops of water regularly fell on our bedclothes.   My parents then decided that we might as well die of bombs as pneumonia and for a while we children slept under ths stairs (considered to be the safest place in a house, according to government advisors), and the adults slept under the dining room table.  In those days most people had linoleum in the dining room as a floor covering with newspaper as the underlay.   After the war we found interesting copies of the “News Chronicle” under the linoleum on which we had been sleeping.

The headlines of one said, “Mr Hore -Belisha says he has invented his beacon and nothing more can be done to reduce road accidents”.   The other said “Chamberlain returns from Munich, peace at last”.    We laid on that newspaper while the bombs fell and the gunfire told a different story.!!

 

In spite of all this we received a good education.  Teachers were mainly ladies and older men.   Most of the lady teachers were single because the husbands they might have married had been killed in World War I.    We were in many ways “their children”

and they were very dedicated people.   Even when I was 18 or 21 or more the lady who taught me when I was 11 years old (Miss Brickendon) could still remember my name if we met in the street and always wanted to know how I was getting on.

We spent quie a few hours in air raid shelters singing “Roll out the Barrel”, “It’s a long way to Tipperary” etc

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Appendix “A”

 

3M-70-45  Old Basing Parish Records

 

(Note Linny Armstrong, wife of James, died in 1786.)

 

1788    Poor Rate   C. Barton charged for the Mill   14/-

                               Geo Tubb charged for a Mill       19/-    Largere presumably

 

Wm Bargent Overseer

 

1789    Jan 18th           Armstrong paid 1-6d

            May 4th           Paid Pestle (Mr Pestell)  Armstrong’s rent     £2-0-0

            April 4th          Mr Pestell Armstrong’s rent 4-6d

 

1791    July 3rd           Paid Armstrong’s girl for looking after Wm Kersley’s wife

                                    for 3 weeks                                                                 6-0d

            Nov: 22nd       Paid for cloathes for Jane Armstrong                        10-6d

 

1792    April 2nd         Paid Mr Pestell one year’s rent for Armstrong and Kersley due                                 Lady Day 1792                                                £4-4-0

 

1793    May 26th         Paid Armstrong   1/-

            June 3rd           Paid Armstrong    1/-

            Nov: 6th          Swearing Elizabeth Armstrong                                    3/-

                                    (Elizabeth was removed from Steventon back to Old Basing

                                    because she was pregnant.

            Nov: 14th        Elizabeht Armstrong towards lying in             £1-1-0

 

1794    April13th         Elizabeth Armstrong towards lying in             £1-1-0

            April 21st        Eliz A up to Easter                                                7-0d

            May 31st         Expended for Armestrong daughter for

                                    examination and warrant                                        2-0d

                                   

                                    Paid Armestong garle 9)girl)                                  6-0d

            Sep 7th            Paid James Armestrong garle                                   6-0d

            Nov: 2nd         Paid James A for his daughters child                       6-0d

            Nov: 30th        Paid Armstrong                                                        6-0d

 


 

1795    Feb:                 Armstrongs daughter’s child                                     6-0d

            March 22nd                                                                                     6-0d

            May 9th           Armstrongs gairl                                                        6-0d

            May31st                                                                                            6-0d

            June 21st         Paid Armstrong                                               £3-1-71/2

            presumably for work in his line whatever that was.   

            June 28            Armstrong gairl                                                           6-0d

            Aug:29                                                                                  6-0d

            Sep:20th                                                                                            6-0d

            Oct: 18th                                                                                           6-0d

            Dec: 13th                                                                                           8-0d

 

1796    Jan: 10th                                                                                            8-0d

            Feb: 7th                                                                                             8-0d

            Mar: 6th                                                                                            8-0d

            Mar 27th                                                                                            15-0d

            June 19th                                                                                           8-0d

            Timothy Littleworth paid the sixpenny poor rate                                 2-6d

            July 17th                      Armstrong gairl                                               8-0d

            Oct: 11th                                                                                           8-0d

            Nov: 29th                                                                                          8-0d

            Dec: 29th                                                                                           8-0d

 

1797    Jan: 1st                                                                                              8-0d

            Jan: 29th          Armstrong going to Steventon about his daughter        1-6d

            Feb: 26th         Armstrong gairl                                                           8-0d

            Mar: 8th          Armstrong gairl                                                           8-0d

            April 17th        James Armstrong and widow Kersley’s rent   £4-4-0

            April               Armstrong girl                                                             6-0d

            May 20th         Armstrong girl lying in                                    £1-1-0

            June 10th                                                                               £1-1-0

            July 22nd                                                                                           10-6d

            Aug: 6th                                                                                             5-6d

            Sep: 3rd                                                                                            8-0d

            Oct: 2nd                                                                                            8-0d

            Oct: 29th                       4 weeks                                                       8-0d    

            Nov: 28th                                                                                        8-0d

            Dec: 25th                                                                                         8-0d

 


 

1798    Jan:11th                                                                                           8-0d

            Feb: 19th                                                                                         8-0d

            Mar:19th                                                                                         8-0d

            April 16th                                                                                        8-0d

                                    James Armstrong rent                                      £2-2-0

                                                girl                                                      £2-16-0d

            May                 Armstrong girl                                                            8-0d

 

Poor rate paid by Timothy Littleworth for Waterend House

 

            June 11th         Armstrong’s daughter                                                  8-0d

            July 9th                                                                                              6-0d

            Aug: 6th                                                                                             6-0d

            Sep: 3rd                                                                                            6-0d

            Nov: 26th                                                                                          8-0d

            Dec: 23rd                                                                                          8-0d

 

1799    Jan: 20th                                                                                            8-0d

            Mar 6th                             2 months                                                   16-0d

            Michaelmas to Easter                                                            £1-7-6d

            May                                                                                                   8-0d

            Jun: 16th                                                                                            6-0d

            July 6th                                                                                              6-0d

            Oct                                                                                        £1-10-0d

            Oct:                                                                                       £2-2-0d

 

1800    Feb: 5th                       Warrant to apprehend William Armstrong      2-0d

            Feb: 17th         Armstrong                                                                   12-0d

            Mar; 23rd        Martha Huse                                                                6-0d

(Note Bastardy Bond  for William A, son of James, father of the child of Martha Huse)

            April 12th        Martha Huse                                                                6-0d

                                    Armstrongs 2 daughters                                  £4-14-6d

            (Michaelmas to Easter total)

            May 11th                                                                                           14-0d

            June                                                                                                   14-0d

            July                                                                                                    14-0d

            Aug:                                                                                                  14-0d

            Sep:                                                                                                   14-0d


1800 continued

            April 29th        Martha Huse                                                                  5-0d

            May 4th                                                                                             10-0d

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1-9d

            June 6th                                                                                                  1-6d

            June 18th                                                                                                1-9d            June 24th                                                                                                   1-6d            June 28th                                                                                                 1-9d

            July 2nd                                                                                                   1-6d

            July 29th                                                                                                   1-6d

            Aug: 2nd                                                                                                   1-9d

            Aug: 17th                                                                                                   1-9d

            Oct: 15th                                                                                                    1-6d

            Oct: 22nd                                                                                                    1-9d

            Oct: 25th                                                                                                     1-9d

 

Records continue up to 1807 to be read another day.                                                                                                             

           

 

 

 

Appendix  ----

 

An exciting adventure with a bear, a true story.   By Harry Armstrong  (trainee gardener).    My grandfather.

 

Written about 1920 describing events in about 1885.

 

On reading the title of this story the imagination of the reader may at once lead him to picture a scene in the Rocky Mountains  or some other equally romantic place abroad, but no, it happened I quiet rural England in the grounds of that beautiful estate known as Oakley Hall in Hampshire..

The Hall stands in the centre of a lovely park, well wooded with magnificent Beech ands Elm trees with, here and there, large plantations of dark fir trees, and is approached by a splendid carriage drive, which beginning at the East Lodge, sweeps round like a rainbow to the North entrance.

A large forecourt with two fine specimens of art metal work in the gates, which are to be seen at the entrance and exit.  The south front looks out onto a sunken garden, beautifully laid out, with a fountain in the centre. Beyond are the tennis courts and the lawn and shrubberies.  16 acres in all, and as you can imagine a beautiful and imposing place. 

Now to understand and follow my story you must come with me to the western side of the house, where are the servant’s quarters, the dairy and the stables.  The road approaching the stables  branches out from the carriage drive and continues past the gardens down to the farm, where adjoining you will see the Bailiff’s cottage.  The road running past the garden is flanked on one side by a beautifully kept yew hedge 8ft high and on the opposite side a laurel bank.  I want you to keep this in mind, for these hedges were like a wall enclosing the road with only two gateways one at the stable end and the other a large gate midway opening to the gardens.

 

Now the owner of this estate at the time of which I am writing was William Withers Bramstone Beach Esq.  MP and sometime Father of the House of Commons.

It was a great day in the history of the place when the eldest son, Archibald , an officer in the old 60th Rifles, came home after a long sojourn abroad.

Oh the excitement of preparation and then the welcome home.  It was indeed a great day for the family and for all concerned.  A magnificent pair of bays were harnessed to a fine Landau ( no motor can ever approach a horse in dignity or beauty), was sent to meet Master Archie at the Station.   When they arrived at the lodge gates they were met by the tenants.  The horses were then taken out, ropes fixed to the carriage, and amidst cheers and shouts of welcome they were drawn to the house.

Mr Archie the stood on the steps of the entrance hall and made a very fine speech, in the course of which he remarked that he had brought home with him a new tenant, which he would hand over to the care of the Bailiff.  This proved to be a young bear and in time the Bailiff became very fond of it and the bear likewise grew very attached to the bailiff and would follow him anywhere.  

The bear grew quickly and waxed mighty in spirit, so that he had to be chained up to keep him from mischief.  He was chained to a large beech tree in the plantation at the end of the road leading from the gardens and in front of the bailiff’s house.   A large barrel made a nice house for him to sleep in at night and affine place to dance on in the day time, which he would do for quite a long time.    He was very amusing in many ways and would take food from your hand, turn head over heels, throw pieces of wood about and perform many other funny little tricks.

Now my father was one of the carpenters employed on the estate and the carpenters shop and sawmills were close by the Bailiff’s House.

I was quite a lad at the time and was employed in the gardens, starting work at 6 o’clock and at 8 o’clock going down the road past the bear to breakfast with my father in the carpenter’s shop.  How the memory of those days lingers with me in all its simple detail.   The glorious morning air, the healthy appetite, the lovely smell of home cured bacon being toasted in front of a roasting fire, intermingled with the smell of pine wood and the dear old faces long since passed away. Some of these things may sound trivial but to me how dear the memory.

Well, now it is time we got to this adventure.   It happened one morning as I was going down the road from the gardens to breakfast with my Dad, that I saw in front of me a man.  A very tall man he was and thin.  As I got nearer I saw that it was the head groom, and as I realised this he got over the fence beside the road where the bear was, for the hedges finished near there and the plantations opened out.   He  went up to the bear who immediately rose up on his hind legs and stretched out his paws as he usually did.  The groom offered the bear an apple, and as he was about to take it, the groom snatched it away.   Two or three times he did this and the bear began to get angry.   I stood a little distance up the road and watched him.   The next time he offered the apple, the bear sprang at it, and ----.  Have you ever seen the starting of a race by the firing of a pistol.  BANG- a dash forward and then on for all you are worth.   Well it was like that.  As the bear sprang forward the chain, which had so often pulled him up, snapped with a bang.    The lanky long-legged groom, well built for a race, dashed off like one possessed, with terror in his face.  With one bound he was over the fence and off up the road to the stables at such a pace that all records I am sure were broken and there was I in the road petrified almost for a moment.  “Come on boy, back to the gardens”, called the groom and back I went as fast as I could run.   Oh! Shall I ever forget it, my legs seemed like lead, and my movements hampered with heavy boots.   Nearer and nearer came the bear, I raced on for the garden gates.  Should I get there in time?   No one else was in sight to help and that bear was quickly gaining on me.  How he seemed to hurl himself forward in a peculiar shamble and shuffle.   It was like a dreadful nightmare.  At last the gates!  I threw myself upon the handles and opened them and dashed inside, banging the gates to as the bear ran by.   I was safe!   How my young legs trembled as I stood panting against the gates, leaving the bear growling outside and then again making off after the groom who, however, had found sanctuary in the stables.  

 

Of course a hue and cry was raised, the Bailiff was soon on the track of the bear, which he eventually caught and led home again quite docile.  This little escapade seemed rather to please the bear, who no doubt found life a little monotonous and I think from that time on he lived in the hope of again distinguishing himself.  As no opportunity turned up he thought it was time to make one.  So one night he again broke his chain and after wandering about, got into the paddock where the cows were and together they had quite an exciting time.  He was again caught and a stronger chain provided.   Once again his longing for companionship and fresh fields of adventure was crushed.   But fortune in the shape of Daniel Cripps favoured him one night.  Now Daniel was a man who lived in a village much further away, but this particular day of which I am writing was the day of the Annual Flower Show.  Daniel was a great gardener and he had successfully exhibited that day.   Now I am sorry to have to relate that he was also at times a great tipler and such an occasion could only be celebrated in his usual way.  So that by the end of the day Daniel did not know whether it was for potatoes or cabbage for which he got first prize. Neither did he know when he had had enough and he finished the day at the pub near the Park.  It was getting near midnight when he at last started for home.  Now there were two paths converging together at the East end of the Park and gradually widening apart to a distance of  half a mile.   Daniel should have taken the left but he took the right, which was wrong.  But in his muddled state he did not notice where he was going and so he stumbled along.  Now this path led into the road near where the bear dwelt.  Presently Daniel drew near, all unconscious of the presence of the bear until he was rudely awakened by the growling and clanking of his chain.  Then the form of the bear appeared standing up on his hind legs and beating the air with his paws.  Daniel now realised that he had made a great mistake in more ways than one.  To get out of this danger was his first thought and he rushed blindly for the road towards the Bailiff’s house.  Across the road he stumbled till brought up by a high iron fence.  Over this he clambered in his frenzy and dropped down on the other side.   But alas for Daniel, the fence enclosed a pond on that side of the road in front of the Bailiff’s house and the sides of the pond sloped down to the water and were smooth concrete.

So Daniel escaped one trouble for another.   Splash! into the water he went and there he floundered trying to get out, but unable to do so, partly because of his condition and partly because of the smooth sloping sides of the pond.  You can well imagine the scene.   His loud cry for help eventually brought the Bailiff, who was astonished to find what had happened.  So he helped out a very wet and much bedraggled, also I trust a more sober Daniel than when he went in.

The bear was now enjoying life to the full, but time will not permit for more stories.

Suffice it to say that he grew so strong and venturesome that it was decided to find a more suitable place for him and he was presented to the Zoological Gardens.  It was my privilege to see him there some two years later.  I spoke kindly to him, in fact in a most delightfully exciting manner for I was pleased to see him.   I reminded him of our former friendship, of our great race together, but he was most indifferent and I realised that he had quite forgotten me and that to him I was just one of a crowd who might offer him a bun.   How sad it all seemed.   I came away quite distressed I could hardly bear it.

 

A country lad.

 

This story was written by my grandfather, Harry Armstrong, and records events in his early working life at Oakley Hall.   He probably left school at ten years of age (in 1881) as that was the leaving age at that time.  He married my grandmother in 1892 just before he was 21.  At some stage he went to work for Joice’s timber yard in Basingstoke and was moved to Staines when they bought Luxfords.  I think he was in the 1891 census at Egham, near Staines.   I do not know when he left Oakley Hall to work at Joice.    Oakley Hall was a private school for about 70 years and I am not sure what goes on there now (2006).   I have taken aerial photos of the college.

 

Appendix----

 

Info from Evelyn Bennett nee Newell, daughter of Gertie Cooper and Harry Newell.

From her mother’s birthday book.   All birth dates unless noted.

 

Jan: 11th 1916  Marriage Violet Robinson to F.C. Hobart

Jan; 19th  1849  Emma Hobart

Jan: 21st    1844   Mr. A. Cooper

Jan: 30th   1881   Minnie Cooper (Auntie Minnie)

May 18th 1904    Marriage Minnie Moseley to E.J. Cooper  (Uncle Ned, Grandma Armstrong’s brother).         

June 18th 1880   Gertie Cooper   (Evelyn’s mother Gertie Newell)

July 2nd 1908 Marriage Kate Peck to George Hobart.

July 12th 1893  Harry William Hobart Armstrong (Uncle Harry).

July 23rd 1868 Henry William Cooper  (Uncle Will)

August 6th  1908  Marriage Lily Hobart to Jim Hewitt.

August 21st 1884  Frederick Charles Hobart.

August 30th  1871 Harry Armstrong  (grandad).

Sept: 12th 1820  Henry Hobart.

Sept 16th 1874  Edmund J. Cooper (Uncle Ned).

Sept : 16th 1876 Emmie Cooper  (Auntie Emmie).

Sept 26th  1881 A.J. Hobart.

Oct: 9th 1879  L.M. Hobart.

Oct 25th  1866 Annie Eleanor Armstrong  (grandma)

Oct : 26th  1829  James Cooper   (grandma’s father)  Sgt James Cooper.

Nov: 13th 1889   Herbert Duncan Hobart.

Aug : 9th 1878    L Cooper.  (Auntie Lily ?)

 

 

 

Children of James Cooper and Mary Ann Tabitha Hobart

Check 1891 census for more detail

 

1.         Annie Eleanor Cooper my grandmother  (25th October 1866- 1952)

2.         William Henry Cooper born 27th July 1868. (Uncle Will who married Mary Louisa Armstrong, born 15th August 1867. Grandad A’s sister).  She died 11th January 1948.  He died 8th September 1950.

3.         Edmund James Cooper  (Uncle Ned) born 16th September 1874.

4.         Auntie Lily (not married).  She was in the drapery trade, born 9th August 1878?.

5.         Auntie Gertie Cooper married Harry Newell

6.         Auntie Emma Cooper, born 18th September 1876, married John Thomas Hall as his second wife.  A son by his first wife named Herbert Hall RN died during World War I.    I think he was a pilot of an early naval aircraft.  Emma had three children Edna who married George Stinson a school teacher, Muriel who married late to Dennis Constable, a newspaper reporter. They lived in Kidderminster for a long time and then just outside Chester. Their third child Harold married Muriel Marsh. 

 

Information on each of these follows

 

1.         Annie Eleanor Cooper married Harry Armstrong at Stanwell Parish Church on

2nd July 1892.   She was born on 25th October 1866.

They had 8 children but four died in infancy.   See details above in the family history.

 

2.         William Henry Cooper married Mary Louisa Armstrong (Harry’s sister at Deane parish Church on 3rd June 1895.   I remember meeting them as a child.

Their children were:

a)         James William Cooper (1896-1970), born 17th April 1896, died 22nd August 1970.  He married Nell Everitt on 16th May 1925..  One son Edmund who died about eleven years old.  Jim was in the furniture trade.

He served in World War 1 (1914-1918) in Egypt and Salonika.  He also spent many years as an Officer in the Boy’s Life Brigade, later known as the Boy’s Brigade.

b)         Estella Gertrude Cooper 1897-1960) she married Tom Winter.  One daughter Rosemary who died at about 14 years. One son Laurence living in Wood Green in 1997.

c)         Alfred Edmund Cooper1899-1927.  Married Florence?  No children.  He served in World War 1 from 1917-1918.  Contracted Encephalitis Lethargica from which he died after a long stay in hospital.

d)         Evelyn Mary Cooper 1901-1986.  Childrens nurse clerical work-etc.   General correspondent with relatives.  Never married.    I vaguely remember meeting her. She was called Evie Cooper in our family.

e)         Ernest George Cooper (who supplied this info).(1904 -1998).  Born 13th November 1904.  Died 17th July 1998.   I have some letters from him and spoke to him on the phone but unfortunately never met him.  We did go to Huntingdon for his funeral.  Rosalie Minnie Armstrong (married name Syrett) kept in touch with Ernest until she died in 1993. Married Christina Haywood on 25th April 1931.  She died in 1975.  Worked in manufacturing industry.  Electrical and mechanical instruments for aircraft, naval, military and industrial uses.  Smiths Instruments I think he said.

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f)         Margaret Cooper (1907-1982) she married 1.  Dr Christopher Callaghan. 

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3.         Edmund James Cooper (Uncle Ned).   He married Minnie Moseley on 18th May 1904 and after she died Gertie Moseley  (Minnie’s sister –in-law).  No children.  Uncle Ned was an Architect on the Hampstead Garden Suburb Co-Partnership project.  One story says that his brother, Uncle Will, went to work with him when he lost his job as a schoolteacher.   Will had a stutter when he was nervous and following the then equivalent of an Ofsted inspection, he lost his job.  He then went to work with Uncle Ned as Clerk of Works. Ned was the Secretary and Surveyor and a Methodist Local preacher for many years and a member of the Ashford (Middx) Methodist Church.  He also enjoyed carpentry.

 

4.         Auntie Lily never married and was involved in the drapery trade in London.

She visited Grandma in Ashford several times and I remember her as being tall and slim and slightly stern in appearance.

 

5.         Auntie Gertie Cooper married Harry Newell [Note: a portion of the text has been deleted for reasons of privacy.   Interested researchers should contact the author, who is the participant in Kit #47876.]

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6.         Emma Cooper married John Thomas Hall.    He ran the Staines Outfall Works at Bedfont. (where the Esso Fuel store is today ) where sewage was treated until that part of the work was transferred to Mogden Sewage  Works at Isleworth.  For many years the Outfall Works continued to run two Ruston and Hornsby single cylinder diesel engines driving two four cylinder Broom and Wade air compressors.  These supplied compressed air to blow sewage from Staines to Mogden until more small, local, electric pumps were installed and the works was closed.   The engines were overhauled and sent to the Persian Gulf area to pump water.  My father maintained these engines before and throughout World War II and until about 1956 or so when the works closed.   He continued to work for Staines Urban District Council until a few weeks before his death. He died in October 1961.  Uncle John Hall was his Manager until he retired and then Dad took over as Foreman and ran the works until it closed.  In the early days when sewage was treated at Bedfont,  John Hall had to do analysis work to ensure that the treatment was to the required standard.   [Note: a portion of the text has been deleted for reasons of privacy.   Interested researchers should contact the author, who is the participant in Kit #47876.]

 

 

Appendix---

 

James Cooper Army Record

 

Prepared from the Great Crimean War Index by Major (retd) Brian J. Oldham, MBE, BSc.    28th October 2005.

 

 

James Cooper was enlisted, along with seven other recruits, by Captain Saville at Bristol on 3rd November 1847.  He was sent to Woolwich and joined the Adjutant’s Detachment of the 3rd Battalion of the Royal regiment of Artillery commanded by Captain and Adjutant George R. Barker.   Once there he would have undergone basic training.  He was the appointed to the rank of Gunner and Driver, given the regimental number of 152 and was paid at the rate of 1s. 3.25d per day.  In common with most soldiers he would only have seen perhaps 3d or 4d of that as much of his pay would have been taken up with his “necessaries”.  The Pay  Lists show that James  remained with the detachment until August 1848 when he is shown as being mustered in No 1 Battalion 9 Company which was commanded by Captain N.E. Harrison.  He was destined to remain under his command until very shortly before he sailed for the Crimean War.

 

No 1 Battalion 9 Company was formed by augmentation in August 1848.  It was then renumbered No 11 Battalion 1 Company.   The entry for James in the October muster is annotated “Queens Works”.    The company left Woolwich in January 1849 and took up residence in the Landguard Fort.  Nothing is noted against James’ name whilst he was there except that he was on guard duty for the February 1849 muster.   In August 1850 the company moved back to Woolwich.  James was in hospital for the October muster of 1850 and was cook for the following one and for January 1851.  Between April and June 1852 he was recruiting at Sevenoaks.

 

On 4th of November 1852 James became entitled to his first Good Conduct Badge and an increase of 1d per day I his pay.  The following March he was appointed Acting Bombardier and also took leave  between the 1st and 10th of the month.  By the muster at the end of that month he was again in hospital.  He was also in hospital for the musters of April, May and June, which might well mean that he had a lengthy illness.

The company moved to the Tower of London in July 1853.

 

On the 7th and 8th August 1853 he was absent without leave and as a result lost his acting rank, Good Conduct Badge and 3d per day from pay.  From November Captain Harrison was away on recruiting duty in Ireland and in February 1854 he was replaced by Captain George R. Barker, who had been James’ Adjutant and Company Commander when he joined the Army.

 

I March 1854 Britain declared war on Russia and allied herself with France and Turkey.  The first troops had left the country for the East in February.  James went with his company on board Caduceus from Woolwich between 12th April and 24th  of May.   It had been re-designated as U Reserve Battery and was intended to act as a sort of depot.   It had no guns.  Initially the battery went to Scutari but within a few days sailed, in a variety of ships, for the Black Sea port of Varna.  The combined armies had moved to modern day Bulgaria in response to the Russian occupation of Moldavia and Wallachia.   The main purpose was to stop the Russians reaching Constantinople.  As it happened, the Turks successfully pushed back the Russians and the French and British were left with little to do.  U Reserve Battery was at this time converted into W Field Battery and provided with four 9-pounder field guns and two 24 pounder howitzers.

 

The heat took its toll, cholera arrived and the death toll mounted.  Eventually the politicians decided that the base of the Russian Black Sea Fleet at Sevastopol should be captured.  As a result the armies took ship and sailed across the Black Sea.  They boarded on the 31st of August and eventually landed at Kalamita Bay on 14th September.   W Field Battery formed part of the Third Division under Lieutenant Colonel Sir Richard England.

 

The landing took longer than expected with the cavalry and artillery horses being a problem.  Eventually, on the 19th of September, the combined armies moved off heading for Sevastopol.  The following day they came up against strongly defended Russian positions on the heights overlooking the River Alma. In a major battle the British Army captured the positions and, with some French help, sent he Russians into retreat.   Third Division was in reserve and hardly got engaged in the battle.

W Battery forded the river and followed the troops taking the Great Redoubt but did not come into action.   It later joined in the general cannonade on the retreating Russians. 

 

After the battle was a period of regrouping before the armies moved off again.  It had been decided that Sevastopol was too strong to take from the north and so a flank march was undertaken which moved the armies around to the south of the port.  There the British set up base at Balaklava and the troops were deployed on the heights overlooking Sevastopol.   What followed was the eleven-month siege of Sevastopol.

 

As a field battery James’ company has no role in the artillery bombardments of the siege.  It was detached from the Third Division to form part of the defences of the port of Balaklava, commanded by Major General Sir Colin Campbell, and was based with the 93rd Highlanders at Kadikoi.  It was therefore ideally placed to participate in the next major battle of the war.

 

On the 25th of October the Russian field army carried out an attack designed to cut the British troops on the heights above Sevastopol from their supply base in Balaklava harbour.   This resulted in the battle of Balaklava. It began with attacks on Turkish held redoubts along the line of the Voroznov Road, which ran on top of a ridge cutting the plain of Balaklava in two. The attacks were successful.  What then happened, with regard to W Battery, is recounted in Jocelyn’s history of the artillery in the Crimea.

 

“Sir Colin Campbell’s force was standing under arms at Kadikoi when the sound of the firing reached him.  He immediately ordered W Battery to proceed to No 3 redoubt; but when Captain G.R Barker reached the position where 1 Troop was in action, he perceived that there was no suitable place for his guns on the right of the redoubt, and he was obliged to come into action on its left, where he could not bring fire to bear on the Russians attacking Nos 1 and 2 Redoubts.  Scudery’s troops, however, were visible toward the Fedouikine Hills and Barker at once opened fire upon them.  

The wagons of 1 Troop, under Second-Captain J.D. Shakespear, had been sent as usual before daylight, to assist in the transport of shot and shell to the trenches.

Captain Maude therefore had only the limber ammunition with the guns, and this was nearly expended when he himself was severely wounded. The troop lost many horses, and the gun carriages were abundantly marked by bullets, but there had been no casualties among the men when a shell, striking Maude’s horse on the shoulder, burst on impact and brought the rider to the ground, grievously hurt.   Lieutenant H.W. J. Dashwood was now the senior officer with the troop, and he rode up to Captain Barker and reported that his ammunition was nearly expended.  Barker, by Sir Colin Campbells’ direction, sent Lieutenant P. Dickson with the right division of  W Battery to the excellent position occupied by 1 Troop, which was now withdrawn out of  action.

Capture of the Redoubts by the Russians-  Against the advancing enemy little could be effected.  The Heavy Cavalry Brigade’s action was restricted to demonstrations, for the Russian infantry were supported by overwhelming artillery.  Although the garrison of No1 Redoubt, numbering between 500 and 600 men, fought with the most determined gallantry, five battalions, launched against them by Semiakine, drove them from the work after 170 of them had been killed.  The Turks in other Redoubts, seeing the retreat of their comrades, the great superiority of numbers arrayed against them, the preponderance of Russian guns, and the helplessness of  our cavalry, broke without waiting for an assault and streamed away in a long fugitive column towards Balaklava.   Before quitting their posts the gunners of W Battery spiked the guns in the Redoubts.

 

Dashwood had two horses shot under him, and one gunner and more than third of the gun teams had been killed, before No 1 Troop, with the Greys as escort, descended from the position they had occupied in action.  The main body of our cavalry, who had protected the retreat of the Turks, were themselves retiring; and the Greys, falling back by alternate squadrons, and the guns by half-troops, covered the movement.   Near Kadikoi, 1 Troop was met by Captain Shakespear with the wagons.  This officer took over the command, and after making good the casualties and replenishing the limbers, he followed the Cavalry Division.

Meanwhile, Dickson remained in action with the two guns; and seeing there was no infantry support, and that the Russians were approaching, Sir Colin Campbell ordered the withdrawal of W Battery from its advanced position.   Dickson limbered up and tried to continue fire with rockets, but a round shot killed one of the wheel horses of the rocket carriage, which narrowly escaped capture.   The Battery was then ordered to rejoin the 93rd Highlanders, while the Russians took possession of the captured Redoubts.

 

Lord Raglan’s Orders--  It was now about half past 7 o’clock.  When the alarm reached head-quarters, orders were sent by Lord Raglan (who arrived on the high ground overlooking the plain in time to see the Russian success) for the 1st and 4th Divisions, and the guns of the Light and Third Divisions to move down from the plateau; and General Canrobert, a little later, sent similar orders to the Brigades of Vinoy and Espinasse and to D’Allonville’s Brigade of Cavalry.  Some hours, however, must elapse before the reinforcements could arrive, and Lord Raglan, not wishing his cavalry to be entangled in action without suitable infantry support, directed Lord Lucan to retire to the western end of the South Valley.  Thus, excepting Campbell’s small force, the gorge at Kadikoi lay open, though behind it was the strong bulwark of the Marine Heights.  General Liprandi now occupied the line of the Causeway Ridge from No 3 Redoubt to the Kamara Hills.  General Jabokritsky had reached the slopes of the Fedioukine Hills, and all movements of troops from the Plateau were well in sight.   An opportunity for further operations was thus offered to the Russian general, yet for nearly three hours he remained quiescent.  It was 10o’clock before General Ryjoff, with his cavalry and guns began to move westwards up the North Valley.

 

Sir Colin Campbell ay Kadikoi--  Sir Colin Campbell’s 550 Highlanders were at this moment drawn up on a small hill in front of Kadikoi.   There they were joined by about 100 invalids who had been sent down to Balaklava, and two Battalions of Turks, collected from the debris of the Ottoman Force, were formed up behind the 93rd.  Barker was ordered to bring his guns into action on the left of the line.  The hill obstructed his view to the right front, but though Barker drew attention to the fact no change was made in the dispositions.

Lord Raglan, however, did not trust the Turkish troops, and shortly before Ryjoff’s advance his lordship gave orders for the Heavy Cavalry, under Scarlett, to be sent in support of Sir Colin Campbell.  The brigade accordingly moved off in several columns towards Kadikoi.  Captain E. D’A Hunt, with a squadron of the Iniskillings, was in advance on the right, and Scarlett followed with the main body consisting of one squadron of the Iniskillings and two of the Greys, in all 300 sabres.   The 5th Dragoon Guards, the Royals, and the 1st dragoon Guards marched in rear, while the Light Brigade with 1 Troop RHA, remained halted.

 

Russian Cavalry Advance—Meanwhile, general Ryjoff continued his movement up the North Valley until he was fired upon by some French and Turkish guns posted on the crest of the Sapoune Ridge, when he changed direction to his left.  His presence became known to Lord Cardigan, who at once pushed 1 Troop forward a short distance.  Although the troop was not permitted to advance sufficiently to the front to obtain an uninterrupted view of the enemy, it succeeded in putting a few shots into the column as it pressed forward.

During the advance a small body of Russians detached itself from the main force and became visible on the ridge between Redoubts Nos 3 and 4.  It proved to be a weak detachment, masking guns, which suddenly opened upon Campbell’s position. The first shot fell amongst the Light Company of the 93rd, which had been extended in skirmishing order, and then bounding onwards, passed through the main body and disabled two Turks.  The latter immediately broke and followed their brethren to Balaklava, with the exception of an officer and a few men who attached themselves to W Battery and remained with it during the day.   Campbell ordered the Highlanders to lie down behind the crest of the hill, and Barker opened fire on the enemy’s artillery.  A little later the guns on the Marine Heights also made themselves heard.  The Russians did not continue the contest, and a new target came into view when a large body of cavalry was seen to cross the Woroznov Road in the neighbourhood of No 4 Redoubt.  This was at once assailed by fire from W Battery, and also from the Marine Heights.   It was Ryjoff’s main body.

 

At this point the Russians may have imagined that W Battery was unsupported because four squadrons were detached from the main body of cavalry to attack its right flank.   However, Sir Colin Campbell had positioned his force on a reverse slope out of sight. As the Russian squadrons moved to attack he ordered them to stand and then fire. This was the stand of the 93rd Highlanders which became immortalised as the “thin red line”.   W Battery directed fire on the retreating Russians.  Shortly afterwards the main body of the Russian cavalry was defeated by some 300 British cavalry men in the little-known, but successful, charge of the Heavy Brigade.   No doubt James saw that action and also the ill-fated Light Brigade charge which followed.   Amazingly, W Brigade only had two men wounded in the whole day’s actions.  It had fired 186 rounds of shot and shell.

 

James remained with his battery “entrenched” near Kadikoi.   He would not have seen any part of the Battle of Inkerman fought on the 5th November.  After that he would have been in a better position than the forward troops in the trenches to survive the rigours of a Crimean winter.   W Battery spent the winter close to Balaklava.  It did take part in an operation to remove Russian troops from and area around Chergoun on the night of 19th February.  It was a bitterly cold night with a blizzard blowing.   Nothing came of the expedition and James would have settled down to await spring and better weather.

 

W Battery  went with a combined Anglo-French seaborne force to capture the town and harbour of Kertch at the entrance to the Sea of Azov. The initial convoy left on 3rd of May under Sir George Brown.   This was successful and had the effect of greatly reducing the supplies and reinforcements reaching Sevastopol from Central Russia.  In mid-June the force returned.   After his return James would not have been engaged in any further action.   Captain Barker was promoted to Lieutenant Colonel in June 1855 and commanded the Left Attack of the siege in the final  bombardments.

His place was taken by Captain T.W. Milward, who joined from 3rd Battalion.

 

The war continued until the final assault on 8th September. Although the British failed to take the Redan, the French took the Malakov, which was the key to the defences of Sevastopol.   That night the Russians withdrew across a bridge of boats to the north side of the harbour.   The war had effectively ended although the Treaty of Paris, which officially ended it, was not signed until the 30th of March 1856.   On the 1st February, 1856 James was transferred on promotion to 3rd Company of 11 Battalion,

or F Field Battery as it was known in the Crimea.  Its commander had died in January and in March Captain G.H. Vesey took command.   As a Bombardier James was now paid 2s per day.  The battery returned from Balaklava to Portsmouth on three ships:  112 Other Ranks on the Trent (23rd May to 18th June), 113 on the Great Western (30th may to 23rd June) and 2 on the Indiana (22nd May to 17th June).  It is not possible to ascertain on which of these James travelled.

 

For all his services James was awarded the Crimean War Medal with clasps for the battles of the Alma and Balaklava, and for the Siege of Sevastopol.   He would also have been entitled to the Turkish Crimean War Medal.   These are the medals and clasps that he is wearing in the photograph you kindly sent me.

 

From Woolwich James’ company moved to Northampton.  James got into some trouble and the Pay List records that he was tried by Regimental Court Martial and reduced to the rank of Gunner and Driver.  Between the 13th of January and 13th February 1857 James was on leave and for the March muster wsas recorded as sick. He was in further trouble in May when he was absent from 18th to 20th.  He lost 3 days pay and was placed in a military prison.  He was a again sick for the May muster.   In November the company moved to Wallingford and by December it was at Aldershot.  James became an Acting Bombardier and went on leave from 10th December until the 10th of January.   In April 1858 James was promoted to the rank of Bombardier and in September moved with his company to Weedon. 

 

( Comment   Dates can be interesting.  The final assault in the Crimea took place on the same date as my birthday[Note: a portion of the text has been deleted for reasons of privacy.   Interested researchers should contact the author, who is the participant in Kit #47876.].)

 

We now reach the point where the old system of battalions was replaced by one of brigades.  The Pay Lists and Muster Rolls become very confused, or do not exist, and it is impossible to follow a soldier with certainty until 1862.  Even using Monthly Returns and the volumes of Laws Battery Records, it is not possible to trace what happened to James.   It was also at this point that his number was changed to 2137.  I should also point out that Royal Artillery Pay Lists and Muster Rolls are not the easiest to use as they rarely include a soldier’s number!

 

The Monthly Return for 3 Company of 11 Battalion includes under “Alterations  Bombardier James Cooper with the comment “Gone”.  It is dated the 30th of October 1858 but does not state to where he went.   We next pick up the story in the Pay List and Muster Rolls for 3rd Division Depot Brigade at Warley.   He is shown as being a Sergeant with 13 Battery and paid from the 16th of April 1862 at the rate of 2s 10d per day.  There is no indication of where he was prior to that date, as he was not shown in the previous Pay List. 

 

James remained at Warley for the rest of his career. There are few comments in the Pay Lists to show his activities.   He was on leave between the 1st and 31st December 1863 and again between the 21st December 1865 and 21st January 1866.  He is occasionally shown as being on guard duty or on fatigues and in January 1867 was “on command” at Woolwich.

 

The earliest Marriage Roll is that for the June Muster 1868 when he is shown as having a child aged 1 year and 7 months.  (my grandmother Annie Eleanor). In the quarter January to March 1869 he was paid for 19 days at the rate of 3s 1d per day whilst he was on leave (from 1st November 1868). He was then discharged to pension.

He is shown in the Marriage Roll for that quarter as having a wife named Mary Ann Tabitha and one child aged 2 years and 4 months.   He had apparently been on the Marriage Roll from the 28th March 1865.  On leaving his entry in the Casualty Roll states that he was born at Saint Marylebone and had been a labourer prior to enlisting at Gloucester on the 11th of November 1847.   He was paid a pension of 1s 9d per day and was granted  a 20s allowance and his railway passage of 3s. 7d from Warley to Hornsea.  There is no reference to any allowance for his family to travel.  His intended place of residence was given as London.

 

The Chelsea Hospital Admission Book records his details under entry number 91076 dated the 19th of January 1869.  2137 Sergeant James Cooper of the Depot Brigade RA was discharged as he had completed his service and was granted a pension of 12d per day.   He has served a total of 21 years and 2 months: 7 years 10 months as Sergeant, 3 years and 8 months as Corporal and 9 years and 8  months as Private.  He had been in the Crimea for 2 years and 1 month.   His conduct was described as “very good” and he had 4 Good Conduct Badges.  He was 40 years if age, stood 5ft 8in tall, and had fair hair, grey eyes and a fair complexion.  He had been born at Marylebone and been a labourer prior to enlistment.

 

…. Oldham  October 2005.

 

Sources consulted:

 

XX Crimean War Medal Roll, TNA PRO WO 100/33 ff, 220 and 311.

Royal Artillery Pay Lists and Muster Rolls 3 Bn Adjt’s Det, TNA PRO WO 10/1848, 1972, 1978.

Royal Artillery Pay Lists and Muster Rolls 1Bn 9 Coy, TNA PRO WO 10/1977.

Royal Artillery Pay Lists and Muster Rolls 11Bn 1 Coy,  TNA PRO WO 10/2008, 2014, 2033, 2038, 2057, 2064, 2087, 2094, 2120, 2127, 2151, 2172, 2204, 2210.

Royal Artillery Pay Lists and Muster Rolls 11Bn, 3 Coy, TNA PRO WO 10.2249, 2264, 2277, 2308, 2323, 2491, 2493.

 

Royal Artillery Pay Lists and Muster Rolls 4 Brigade, TNA PRO WO 1-/2491/1

Royal Artillery Pay Lists and Muster Rolls 3 Division Depot, TNA PRO WO 10/2794-2801.

Monthly Returns Royal Artillery TNA PRO WO 17/2622-3.

“Soldiers Documents” TNA PRO WO 97/1315/

Chelsea Hospital Admissions Books TNA PRO WO 116/141

Jocelyn, R.J. 1911, The History of the Royal Artillery Crimean Period.

Reilly , W.E.M. 1859  An account of the Artillery Operations—before Sebastopol in 1854 and 1855.

Laws, M.E.S. 1952, Battery Records of the Royal Artillery, 1716-1859.

Laws, M.E.S. 1970, Battery Records of the Royal Artillery, 1859-1877.

 

 

Further actions

 

1.  Try St Marylebone and all Holloway churches.  He was born on 26th October 1829. 

2. His marriage certificate to Mary Hobart says he was a widower.  Quite possible as he  married her in 1865 when he would have been 35.

3. He probably married the first time after his  time in the Crimea as he moved around a lot before sailing to the Crimea.    

 

Notes .   There seems to be a blank in his records from 1858 to 1863 during the changeover to the Brigade system.   He could have married the first time in this period.

 

 

 

 

The Armstrong Family in Ireland

 

A useful booklet of some one centimetre in thickness was written in 1775 by a John Armstrong and is in my files.   He gives a great deal of Armstrong history and seeks to claim descent from the Mangerton line as a possible Chief of the Armstrong Clan. If we think that Ireland has problems today we should try reading this to see how far back they go!!    It is generally accepted that at the Union of the Crowns in 1603 about 50 Armstrongs and a similar number of Grahams were hanged on the borders and many others sent to Ireland and some to Amsterdam to fight the Spanish at that time.   Grahams often reversed their name to Maharg in this situation.  One member of the Clan Armstrong Trust in the 1990’s who lived in Holland claimed descent from Sir Thomas Armstrong who was hanged for the Rye House plot. He was later pardoned, rather too late for him, but his wife did get a pension as a result.

 

This book by John Armstrong mentions various families who lived in Ireland and a number who moved from Ireland to southern England in the 1700’s.  Many of these people can be traced through the IGI (The Mormon Index) and their places of settlement are recorded below.

 

Petworth, Sussex.  Here the Earl of Egremont from Cumbria built Petworth House and its massive estate.   There is a life size statue of him in the Church and at one time the Vicar was named Klanert.   A slab on the wall is a memorial to him.  An Armstrong lady, named Rebecca, married his son.  Page 40 of the edited version of the above book says, “Rebecca, 3rd daughter of William Armstrong of Petworth was married early to Mr Moritz Klanist, a German, by whom she left one son still living (at the time of John’s writing in 1775).   The IGI says that she married Charles Klanert at St Martin–in-the-Fields.   I think the IGI could be correct on this one.  Did William Armstrong work for the Earl of Egremont?   A lot of wealthy people seem to have married in fashionable London Churches even when they lived at quite a long distance from them. Unless, of course, they also had London homes.

 

See Pages 30- 31 of John’s book.   A family tree needs to be drawn from this book. 

These pages detail the line of William who went to Petworth and trace him back to Ireland and give his ancestors military service. The book also claims that he was descended from Andrew Armstrong whom the author claims was Laird of Mangerton but this is disputed by John Alan Armstrong of Westgate –in-Weardale.

George of Whitley Bay has been consulted and his reply is awaited.  

 

Page 39 says, “The 2nd William, who was Grandson of Archibald by Rebecca, daughter of Bigoe Henzell Esq, had issue by Mary, daughter of William Hunt Esq of Petworth in the County if Sussex, four daughters, Frances, Charlotte-Anne, Rebecca, Mary.   

Frances , eldest daughter of William, was born March 31st 1750, she was married early in life to her cousin Edmund Armstrong, 3rd son of Andrew Armstrong of Athlone and died Oct 17th 1811.   She possessed an excellent heart and a very superior understanding, was well read and had a ready wit.   She left many prayers behind her, which the marks of a pure and refined devotion and many little poetic trifles, which evinced much taste, a sensible ear, and a genius of no common parts; she had many friends and not a single enemy.   She submitted to a hard destiny in a complete reverse of fortune from splendour to privation with exemplary fortitude, and bore hardships without repining.   She created cheerfulness when her own heart was  wrung with sorrow and never intruded her cares or wants on common occasions.  Her example as a child, a wife, a parent and a friend is deserving of universal imitation.”

 

Charlotte-Anne, 2nd daughter of William, was born 2nd July 1753 and married Richard Hassell, Esq of Barnet, Herts, who was the head of one of the oldest and best families in the County.  He was a Fellow of Trinity College, Cambridge, Justice of the Peace for Hertfordshire, and a man of great science and learning, but no pedant.   He unfortunately fell from the back of a female servant in infancy and so injured his spine, that his person was greatly deformed, the evenness of his temper, however, made a crooked person of small consideration, he was a most cheerful companion, his society eagerly sought by both young and old.   His wife Charlotte Anne met an early death taking the air in her own chariot with a friend.  The coachman was fro some reason thrown from his box, and the horses ran away with them.  They threw themselves out of the chariot but a hoop she was wearing entangled her in the door and her head came in contact with the wheel and then struck a heap of flints.  Dr Pott trepanned her skull in 7 different places, but unfortunately missed the fracture that caused her death.   She left one son Richard , who died in infancy, and three daughters, Harriet, Frances, Charlotte-Elinor and Mary.

 

Rebecca, 3rd daughter of William , was born on 15th June 1754, and married Charles Klanert as mentioned above.

Mary, 4th daughter of William Armstrong of Petworth, born July 6th 1765, and married Sampson Petry Esq, by whom she left issue one son Charles who died in  infancy soon after his mother.

 

To continue the connections with Ireland I add the following from pages 40-42 of John’s book.

 

Edmund , 3rd son of Andrew Armstrong of Athlone, was born at Rushinagh in Kings County, Sept 22nd 1735.  He married Frances eldest daughter of William, details above. She was his cousin.  He very early got a Commission in Gisborne’s Regiment, and the following extraordinary circumstances happened to him. On the first time he appeared in Dublin as an Officer.   Being at a Billiard table in the evening , two men of indifferent character quarrelled and pistols were produced, they were to fight across the table, each was calling on the other to fire.   Edmund was aware of the situation if murder should follow and he became an accessory by being present. He prudently left the room and went into a coffee room below. Upon entering it he observed that the only two persons present were violently scuffling, one threw the other one on his back upon a table, and a groan followed.  It proved that Mr Brereton, then the first swordsman in Europe, had in consequence of high words drawn upon an inexperienced fencer, who playing no regard for the rules of the art, shortened his sword, closed in upon his antagonist, and pierced him through the body in an instant.

The consequence was that the quarrel upstairs terminated in angry words, and Edmund was the only evidence that could appear on a trial for murder in the very place he had taken shelter against a circumstance so painful.  Edmund served the Office of Sheriff for King’s County, with his friend Sir William Parsons, when I have heard say their joint ages of the two did not exceed 35 years?

 

Edmund took to his first wife Jane, daughter of Robert Mack, Esq., the younger, of Fewing? Water in the County of Herts.  By her he had one son and one daughter who both died young.  He lost his wife and progressively advanced his profession until he became a Captain in the 20th Regiment.  In the year 1769 he married Frances, eldest daughter of William Armstrong of Petworth in Sussex.   In compliance with her wishes he sold his commission and retired from the Army and, being of an active turn, he accepted a Company in the East Regiment of the Middlesex Militia.  He soon afterwards became Adjutant and subsequently Agent to the same Regiment.  He also established himself as an Army Agent by the addition of this appointment of the Agency of the Regt of his friends and relations General Armstrong and General Robinson.  He was Agent also to Gen: Hale, Gen:Frederick and six Regts of the Irish Brigade, Duke, Fitz James, Count Serrant, Count Walsh, Gen: Conway, Gen: O’Connell and many others.  His affairs were then most prosperous.  He became a Fellow of the Antiquarian Society and was appointed Gentle Usher, Daily Waiter to His Majesty.   He was afterwards appointed Groom of the Privy Chamber, which office he retained until his death.   He purchased off his father-in-law WILLIAM ARMSTRONG an office in the Customs by which he became as it is called “Husband of the Four and a half” officer. Private duties paid to the King are received by this officer, he retained this also until his death.   He was a magistrate and Deputy Lieutenant of the County of Middlesex.  He was a good mason and belonged to the leading lodges and served in all the great offices of the order with distinction.   A foolish pride of which I am now ashamed prevented my early entrance into this body says John.   My father Edmund of whom I am now speaking, observed that the honour of becoming a Mason ought to be solicited. I, with unguarded inexperience of youth declared that a Masonry conferred Honour, it was the duty of a parent who had the power to introduce his child unasked; not in angry words or unkind looks, not a sentiment of real disapprobation was felt by either, but the conversation was dropped and never renewed.    In the year 1789 Edmund bought the Estate and demesne of Fortye Hall with its several manors of Worcester and Enfield in the County of Middlesex , off Elias Breton Esq and resided there as his County seat until he died on Oct 18th 1797.   Edmund was loved during his life for his amiable disposition, and the remarkable urbanity of his manners.  He was said to be the most polished gentleman of his day, his society was sought after by men of all ranks.  The Duke of Cumberland and the King’s brother were his friends.   He was the friend of man and was ruined by indulging the good qualities of his heart.  His understanding was sound but he allowed his affections to control his better judgement, his confidence was therefore misplaced and his family, who were taught to expect a very ample fortune at his death, found themselves reduced from great affluence to comparative poverty. But in justice to his memory, and to their feelings, I take it upon me to say that however severe the disappointment was, which destroyed their expectations and left them to struggle with an adverse fortune, they never entertained a thought that might weaken their affections and veneration for the best of husbands, of fathers and of men.  He was deceived if he weakly confided in men who did not deserve his confidence, it was an error to be lamented, not a fault to be condemned, there never breathed a more honest man, there never lived a better Christian.   Edmund left issue by his wife, Frances, William, Archibald, George , Andrew and Harriet Jane. And presumable also John as he calls him “my father”.  Check IGI.

 

Shortening the notes in his book I quote parts from John who says,”    I was born in Marylebone, and in the house of my grandfather William Armstrong, on Oct 24th 1770.   See his notes.  In May 1796 I married May, the younger of two daughters and co-heiress of Richard Hassel Esq., of Barnet by Charlotte Anne, the daughter of William Armstrong of Petworth, and took a ready furnished house called The Grove at Enfield in the vicinity of Fortye Hall, the residence and estate of my father Edmund Armstrong.  Here I passed one year of uninterrupted happiness, and having purchased the lease of the Rectory House, Enfield, I removed there with my family.  Here on the 1st May 1797, our first child was born.  In October 1797 my father died, and then the scene of miseries opened before me.  Instead of the affluence which it was supposed would have passed in upon me at his death, I found myself reduced to great straits, although my father had liberally furnished me with the means of beginning life in my new character.  He made me no allowance, and I had unfortunately limited my expenses by the interest of my wife’s property, and the ready money I had received on our wedding day, which was now entirely exhausted.   I immediately sold my carriages and four horses, discharged my establishment of servants, sold the lease of my house, parted with all my unnecessary furniture, and being fortunately solicited to take the Curacy of Cheshunt, I embraced the offer and removed to the Vicarage House in March 1799.   I have to observe that soon after leaving Cambridge I was ordained Deacon by the Bishop of Exeter, at Trinity Chapel, Conduit Street, upon letters demissory from the Bishop of Salisbury, having been examined for the purpose by Dr Shepherd.of Christ College, Cambridge.  In 1795 I was electd a Fellow of the Society of Antiquaries and  in the following year a Fellow of the Society for the Improvement of Arts, manufactures and Commerce.  In 1799 I wass ordained Priest at Fulham by the Bishop of London and ascended to the Curacy of Cheshunt, Herts.

 

His children were.

 

1797    Harriet Frances born May 1797, married Charels Morris Esq.

1798    Edmund John Aug 15th

1799    Charlotte Selina  Oct 10th died in infancy.

1801    Charlotte Mary   23rd May, died in infancy.

1803    Avorilla Aphia  3rd Feb:

1804    Henry William Gleid, Nov 29th

1806    George Craven  April 23rd

1808    Helen Marianne Monk Feb: 18th.

1810    Augustus  March 13th

1814    Charles Frederick  Dec: 6th

1818    Fanny Elizabeth Raikes Jan 1st

1819    Julia Hassell  Oct 18th

 

The IGI and existing records should allow this family to be followed.

 

 

 

Bishop’s Waltham, Hants.   Charles Armstrong, who married Martha Hampton as his second wife, died in a duel at Birr in Ireland.   She later took in boarders to provide an income.    Page 32 of John’s book says, “ Charles the third son of Archibald was a Quartermaster in General Wynne’s Regiment of Dragoons and was killed in a duel at Birr.  His second wife was Martha Hampton, sister of James Hampton Esq, of Waltham in Hampshire.His issue by her were,

1.         James Armstrong, a Lieutenant in Marines, who died on the expedition to the West Indies.

2.         William Armstrong , killed in Scotland in 1746.

3.         Mary who died young.

 

 

 

Ampthill, near Bedford.   Another group of Armstrongs moved here and some are still in the area.   Quoting from John Armstrong’s history, “ Thomas Armstrong was the sixth son of Edmond and was born at Stonestown in the year 1661.  He likewise embraced a military life and was a Cornet of Horse in King James’s reign in the regiment to which his brother Philip was Lieutenant Colonel.  He was gradually promoted to the command of a Troop in the said regiment and having served all the war in Flanders and growing old he sold his troop in the year 1717 and retiring to his house at Ampthill in Bedford, for which County he was Justice of the Peace and Commissioner of the Land Tax, where he died full of years on the 7th January 1747/8 aged 86.   In 1705 he was married to Frances the fourth daughter of John Thompson, Lord Aversham, at his Lordship’s house in Great Russell Street, London.  Her mother was the Lady Frances, daughter of Arthur, Earl of Anglesey and widow of Francis Wyndham of Felbridge Hall in the County of Norfolk Esq, By this Lady, Thomas had six children.

 

1.         John born 1706 died unmarried.

2.         Martha born in 1707 died in the 10th year of her age.

3.         Philip born in 1708 died in his infancy.

4.         Charles born in 1712 now living.  i.e. in 1775.

5.         Frances Mary born in 1714 married in 1734 to the Rev: Mr Decimo Reynolds, son of Richard Lord Bishop of Lincoln and died without issue in 1749.

6.         Althamia born in 1716 died unmarried.

 

Charles the third son of Thomas and the only surviving of that fruitful marriage has had two wives who are both now dead. .The first was Elizabeth daughter of the Revd Mr Collyer, Minister of Saly in the County of Derby who he married in the year 1742.  She brought him two children, a son and a daughter and died in 1746.  Thomas the son born in 1743 and Christian the daughter in 1745 and both are now living.  In 1747 Charles took to his 2nd wife Althamia only child of Mr Matthew Priaula of the Town of Bedford by Althamia his wife the 8th and youngest daughter of John Lord Haversham.   He had by her four children  who all died in their infancy, and his second wife Althamia departed this life the 30th April 1753.  The old lady the relict of Captain T. Armstrong is now living at Ampthill.

 

 

 

High Wycombe, Bucks

 

See Page 29 of John’s book.   “John the second son of Michael was born at High Wycombe , Bucks, on 19th July 1719 and was put, while very young, on board one of His Majesty’s Ships of War.  On 23rd August 1742 he was made a Lieutenant in the Navy and going afterwards to the West Indies with strong recommendation to Admiral Boscawen, he was received by that gentleman on board his ship the Namur as his 4th Lieutenant, but was unfortunately drowned with all the ships company that were on board at the time; for the Admiral and many others were on shore at Fort St David’s, either sick themselves or attending on the sick.  The Hurricane in which the Namur was lost happened April 13th 1749.  This was the end of poor John who deserved a better fate.   He was never married.   Rebecca, the only daughter of Michael was born 1723 and was married to Archibald the eldest son of William Armstrong (of whom more hereafter) and has several children.

 

A little more work has been done on this now kept as separate document.