Border Reivers -  Clan Hall subsheet, including Septs Collingwood, Crispin, DeAula, FitzWilliams,                                                    
                                                       Hal, Hale, Haile, Haul, Haule, Haw, Mac Hall   This is the:  => Border Reivers - Clan Armstrong subsheet See:               http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7egallgaedhil/dna_by_surname.htm     Jim Elliott's Discussion of Methods of Analyzing "Deep Ancestry"              
    Go To:   => BORDER REIVER FAMILIES Y-DNA STUDY: R1b Results Page See:               http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7egallgaedhil/dna_by_surname.htm     Jim Elliott's ALL Border Reivers by Surname DNA Study              
  Coordinator: David Hall           Go To:   => BORDER REIVER FAMILIES Y-DNA STUDY: I, J, P, R, R1b-subclades Results Page See:               http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7egallgaedhil/dna_by_surname.htm     Jim Elliott's ALL Border Reivers by Haplogroup DNA Study              
    Clan Hall Discussion & Background From Clan Hall Newsletter       Go To:   => BORDER REIVER FAMILIES Y-DNA STUDY: Directory Page See:               http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7egallgaedhil/dna_by_surname.htm     Whit Athey's Haplogroup Predictor Program             
    Clan Hall DNA Results Discussion                                             See:               http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7egallgaedhil/dna_by_surname.htm     SNP Testing by Ethnoancestry.com             
    Return to the Border Reivers DNA Spreadsheet Directory     See:               http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7egallgaedhil/dna_by_surname.htm     Summary of public results of R1b and S21 SNP tests, by John McEwan            
    See Also: Hull DNA Project         See:               http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7egallgaedhil/dna_by_surname.htm     DNA-Fingerprint.com Advanced DNA testing Laboratory            
      See:               http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7egallgaedhil/dna_by_surname.htm     DNA-Fingerprint.com The DYS464X (Extended) Test            
      See:               http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7egallgaedhil/dna_by_surname.htm     World Families Network - Y-Haplogroups            
         
  Note 4)  Until recently, FTDNA offered a limited number of SNP's downstream from any of their "estimates"  of participants' Haplogroup.    Other testing         
    organizations presently offer additional "in-depth" SNP testing,  including  SNP's "downstream" from the general Haplogroup SNP         
  Updated to 28 April 2006 determinant.  Haplogroup R1b, previously tested only for the presence of SNP=P25+,  now is the subject of testing for additional downstream SNP's:  
  DNA Heritage offers a range of SNP's which can be found at: DNA Heritage "Y-SNP Tests"          
  Note 1: ALL participants are urged to upload their Y-DNA results to Y-Search, using the utility found in the "blue-bordered box" on their Y-DNA Matches page!   Those having mtDNA results are urged to upload those results to Mitosearch, using the utility found in the "blue-bordered box" on their mtDNA Matches page!  EthnoAncestry offers a range of SNP's which can be found at:   EthnoAncestry "Product Catalog"          
  The revised R SNP ownstream flow is M173+ '=> R1; M343+ '=>R1b; P25+ '=> R1b1;    M73 '=> R1b1b;  M269 '=> R1b1c; M37'=> R1b1c1; M65'=> R1b1c2; M126'=> R1b1c3; M153'=> R1b1c4;   
   M153'=> R1b1c4; M160'=> R1b1c5; M167 (SRY2627)'=> R1b1c6; M222'=> R1b1c7; P66'=> R1b1c8;and S21, which may lead to an additional  "R1b1c?" downstream from M269.   
  Note 2: Please notify the Group Administrator when you upload your results to either Y-Search or Mitosearch.  Please also notify the Group Administrator of any connections through your ancestral male or female lineages to the lineages under study.  Contributions of lineage information similar to that found in the pages linked to certain results found below using the FTDNA Kit #'s is also VERY helpful.  Haplogroup R1b3 is an "old name" for what is now referred to as R1b1c. Certain subclades may be characterized by DYS393=14 or 12; [note any sections color-coded gold or orange, below]    
     
  Anyone interested in SNP's for other Haplotypes, such as C, E,  G, J2, K1, N, P, Q,  etc., should consult the various company's additional offerings.      
  Another company, DNA Fingerprint, offers an interesting test of the DYS464a,b,c,d complex which may be of further assistance in researching R1b      
  Note 3: The haplotypes shown here have been contributed by participants in various Surname studies who are interested in tracing their ancestry.  "Deep Ancestry". See:               http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7egallgaedhil/dna_by_surname.htm     DNA-Fingerprint.com The DYS464X (Extended) Test        
  They have been included here   to assist in coordinating further research.    Responsibility for such research lies with the individuals participating             
  in or contributing to this DNA Project.   
  "Note - On May 19, 2003 FTDNA reassigned the values for 464a,b,c,and d.  
                                              Dropping each by one. These results reflect those changes."                                      
                     
FTDNA Locus:             See Donegal Bay  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 Locus12-10=result   13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25       26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37   (Below Loci tested by Relative Genetics and Ancestry; 461 also by dnaheritage.com & genetree.com) by: Oxford Ancestors  
DYS#s=          ~ AMH=>             393 390 19/394 391 385a 385b 426 388 439/ YGATAA4 389-1 392 389-2 (389ii-389i)=   458 459a 459b 455 454 447 437 448 449 464a 464b 464c 464d 464e   DYS#s 460 Y-GATA H4 / TAGA-H4 * YCA II a YCA II b 456 607 576 570 CDY a CDY b 442 438   461 462 GGAAT1B07 YGATAA10 YGATAC4 425 DYS#s
                    *   ** **     * / ** ***   ***     **               ** **/*** **/*** **/*** **/*** **                 ** ** ** **                    
HG1=~R1b  (HT15) Modal Values                        =>        => 13 24 14 11 (Roper)11= Paleolithic 14 12= HG1    12 12 13 13 29 16   17 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 29 (Roper) 16= Paleolithic  16 18 18     <=HG1=> 11 12 19 23             12 12   11 11 10 13 23   <=HG1=>
Est. Mutation Rates from WFN: Marker and Mutation Comparisons '=> .0012 .0045 .0016 .0036 .0033 (*) .0005
.0005 .0045 .0021 .0016 .0028 Result   .0066 .0014 (*) .0005 .0005 .0045 .0020 0.0028 0.0075 0.0035 0.0035 0.0035 0.0035       .0028 0.0036 .0014   (*)
              0.0012   .0028 .0005
.0013 .0045
.0028
  See Marsh:
Est. Mutation Rates from SMGF: Marker and Mutation Comparisons '=> .00111 .0044 .00153 .00316 0.0028   .00027 .00038 .00418 .00218 .00147   .00257   .0058 .00118   .00031 .00023 .00388 .00174 .00236 .00646               .00294 .00304 .00124             .002 .0010   .00231 .00053 .00091 .0038 .00236 .002  
Test By:  Results  Number: Surname Group:  Haplogroup: (Green = SNP Tested) SNP Results? DNA Study Notes:  Y-Base    /   Y-Search / Mitosearch links: YSTR Mutation   Rates '=>          Migration Pattern: 0.0034 0.00403 0.00143 0.0041 0.00292     May mutate in multi-steps?! 0.002 0.0034 0.00323   steps from AHT                             steps from AHT Results  Number:       May mutate in multi-steps?!                 steps from AHT Additional Relative Genetics loci.   See Rel Gen Reporting Conventions Note, Below:    Results  Number:
                                                                                                                     
FTDNA 30791 Hall E M96+ M107-  M123- M136- M148- M165- M281- M34- M35- M78- M81- P2-   MS2RX     13 22 14 9 14 17 11 11 12 12 12 30 18 ? 15 9 9 11 11 24 16 19 35 15 15 17 17   ? MS2RX 10 11 18 21 17 12 17 19 35 35 11 10 ?             MS2RX
                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                     
FTDNA   Hall I1a?     9AC6F Unknown    13 22 14 10 14 14 11 14 12 12 11 28 16 ?                             ? 9AC6F                         ?             9AC6F
                                                                                                                     
FTDNA 36895 Hall I ?   See Hull NDAJJ     13 22 15 10 13 14 11 14 11 12 11 28 16 ?                             ? NDAJJ                         ?             NDAJJ
                                                                                                                     
FTDNA   Hall I1c ?     JSZW9 Ireland    14 24 15 10 16 16 11 13 11 13 12 30 17 ? 16 8 9 11 11 25 14 19 26 14 14 15 16   ? JSZW9                         ?             JSZW9
                                                                                                                     
FTDNA   Hall J2 ?     RJMAE Unknown    13 23 15 11 12 16 11 13 11 13 11 29 16 ? 18 8 10 11 12 24 14 20 30 12 14 14 15   ? RJMAE 10 10 19 21 18 13 18 18 35 37 12 10 ?             RJMAE
                                                                                                                     
Assumed Hall Ancestral Haplotype #1(AHT) =>    =>   13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 29 16 #1 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 29 15 15 17 18   #1   11 11 19 23 16 15 17 17 37 38 ? 12 #1   11   13      
FTDNA 20857 Hall R1b1   mtDNA GA5HP See Comparisons:   13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 29 16 0 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 29 15 15 16 17   2 20857 11 11 19 23 16 15 17 18 36 40 11 12 ?             20857
FTDNA 27698 Waugh R1b1     24TD6     13 23 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 29 16 1 19 9 9 11 11 24 15 19 29 15 15 17 18   4 27698                         ?             27698
FTDNA 23388 Hall R1b1     CSM8N     13 23 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 29 16 1 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 18 29 15 15 17 18   2 23388 11 11 19 23 16 15 18 17 37 38 10 12 ?             23388  
FTDNA 31044 Hall R1b1     N7G67     13 24 14 11 11 13 12 12 11 13 13 29 16 2 19 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 31 15 15 17 18   4 31044                         ?             31044
FTDNA   Hall R1b1     AEDUY Alabama, USA    13 24 14 11 11 13 12 12 12 13 13 29 16 1 19 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 31 14 15 16 18   5                           ?              
                                                                                                                     
Assumed Hall Ancestral Haplotype #2 (AHT) =>    =>   13 24 14 10 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 29 16 #1 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 30 ? 15 15 17 17   #1   11 11 19 23 16 15 18 18 36 38 12 12 #1   11   13      
FTDNA   Hall R1b1     B4WFM Ashbourne, England    13 24 14 10 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 29 16 0 19 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 31 15 15 17 17   2   11 11 19 23 16 15 18 18 36 39 12 12 2              
OxAncrs   Hall R1b1     8VCXR Ayrshire, Scotland    13 24 14 10     12 12   10? 13     ?                             ?                           ?           12  
FTDNA   Hall R1b1 ?     Z7JYT Unknown    13 26 14 10 11 14 12 13 12 14 12 31 17 5 18 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 28 15 15 17 17   7                           ?              
FTDNA 35821 Hall R1b1 M343+P25+   WGZJQ USA    13 24 14 10 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 29 16 0 17 9 9 11 11 25 15 19 30 13 15 17 18   3 35821 11 10 19 23 15 15 18 18 36 38 12 12 5             35821
  46076 Hall R1b1     4K6KK Ayr, Scotland   13 24 14 10 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 30 17 1 16 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 31 15 15 17 17   2 46076                             46076
                                                                                                                     
FTDNA 49801  Hall R1b1     QU5PB Liddesdale, Sct   13 24 14 11 12 14 12 12 12 14 14 30 17 3 17 9 10 11 11 24 15 19 29 15 15 16 17   6 49801                             49801
FTDNA 21601 Davison R1b1   mtDNA 2VZ8A     13 24 14 12 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 29 16 1 18 9 10 11 11 26 15 19 30 15 15 17 17   3 21601 11 11 19 23 17 15 17 17 37 38 12 12 8             21601  
FTDNA   Hall R1b1 ?     TB8R7 Unknown    13 24 15 12 11 14 12 12 13 13 13 29 16 3                             ?                           ?              
                                                                                                                     
FTDNA N3665 Hall R1b1 M343+P25+   HX7ED Ireland    13 24 15 10 11 13 12 12 12 13 13 28 15 3                               N3665                                       N3665
                                                                                                                     
Est. Mutation Rates from WFN: Marker and Mutation Comparisons '=> .0012 .0045 .0016 .0036 .0033 (*) .0005
.0005 .0045 .0021 .0016 .0028 Result   .0066 .0014 (*) .0005 .0005 .0045 .0020 0.0028 0.0075 0.0035 0.0035 0.0035 0.0035       .0028 0.0036 .0014   (*)
              0.0012   .0028 .0005
.0013 .0045
.0028
  See Marsh:
Est. Mutation Rates from SMGF: Marker and Mutation Comparisons '=> .00111 .0044 .00153 .00316 0.0028   .00027 .00038 .00418 .00218 .00147   .00257   .0058 .00118   .00031 .00023 .00388 .00174 .00236 .00646               .00294 .00304 .00124             .002 .0010   .00231 .00053 .00091 .0038 .00236 .002  
                          (Roper)14= Neolithic                                     (Roper)13= Neolithic                                       Additional Relative Genetics loci.   See Rel Gen Reporting Conventions Note, Below:     
Test By:  Results  Number: Surname Group:  Haplogroup: (Green = SNP Tested) SNP Results? DNA Study Notes: Y-Base    /   Y-Search / Mitosearch links: Migration Pattern: DB 393 390 19/394 391 385a 385b 426 388 439/ YGATAA4 389-1 392 389-2 (389ii-389i)= steps from AHT 458 459a 459b 455 454 447 437 448 449 464a 464b 464c 464d 464e steps from AHT Results  Number: 460 Y-GATA H4 / TAGA-H4 * YCA II a YCA II b 456 607 576 570 CDY a CDY b 442 438 steps from AHT 461 462 GGAAT1B07 YGATAA10 YGATAC4 425 DYS#s
            (Note: Y-Base only used if no Y-Search entry)         *   ** **     * / ** ***   ***     **               ** **/*** **/*** **/*** **/*** **                 ** ** ** **                    
                                                            "Note - On May 19, 2003 FTDNA reassigned the values for 464a,b,c,and d.  
                                                              Dropping each by one. These results reflect those changes."                                      
* DYS 19 is also known as DYS 394./ * DYS 439 is apparently also known as Y GATA A 4.  The Ancestry results for locus Y GATA A 4 are the same values as the FTDNA results for locus #9 (DYS 439)                                                      
The Atlantic Modal Haplotype (AMH) consists of DYS393=13; 390=24; 19=14; 391=11; 388=12; & 392=13.  It is an outdated concept, and is not broadly useful in distinguishing the many haplotypes now known to exist.                                                                 
Red Colored Cells=> ** Rapid Mutation Rates; per FTDNA. Red Mutation Rates => Estimated Rapid Mutation Rates per  Marker and Mutation Comparisons                                                              
From "Marsh": "FTDNA released results of a study Nov 2004.  The way data was collected, it has been questioned by some if it may have biased results.  However, in the absence of good information, it is a significant study.                                            
This indicates the mutation rate is faster than originally thought. … on average, you might expect one mutation every 21 generations with 12 markers, every 9 generations with 25 markers, and every 5 generations with 37 markers.                                                             
However, there are a number of factors at play which need to be allowed for.  Some markers, if the have very high or low scores might be more likely to mutate, meaning that some families might be prone to more mutations than other                                                             
families.  It might also be significant to take into consideration if it is slow or fast mutating markers which have mutated.  Other markers seem to mutate in more than one step at a time, and this needs to be considered."                                                            
*** See Genetic Distance - FTDNA Calculation                                                                                                        
"The 389-1 count is also included in the 389-2 count. In other words, 389-2 has two parts: the 389-1 part and its other unique part.                                                                  
"Therefore, the calculation to determine distance subtracts the 389-1 count from the 389-2 for each person to determine one set of numbers. Those results are subtracted and the difference is added to the 389-1 difference.                                                                  
"No matter what the difference is in any of the 464 a b c d groups, each counts only as 1 and any match in the group counts as 0 no matter what order it appears on the chart."                                                                  
Note: [DYS426=12 PLUS DYS392=11]=>R1a                                                                                                        
Note Below for Relative Genetics Reporting Conventions:                                                                                                  
     The values for DYS454, DYS455, and Y-GATA-H4 are given according to Relative Genetics revised reporting conventions.                                                                                     
     Before Spring 2003, the values reported for DYS454 and DYS455 were smaller by "1" than those for the new convention.                                This is the:  => Border Reivers - Clan Hall subsheet, including Septs          
     Similarly, Relative Genetics changed their convention for reporting Y-GATA-H4 in the Fall of 2002.                                            Go To:   => BORDER REIVER FAMILIES Y-DNA STUDY: R1b Results Page          
     Values for Y-GATA-H4 reported before that time were larger by "15".                                                  Go To:   => BORDER REIVER FAMILIES Y-DNA STUDY: I, J, P, R, R1b-subclades Results Page          
     The marker Y-GATA-A4 was found to be identical to DYS439 and is no longer used by Relative Genetics.                                     Go To:   => BORDER REIVER FAMILIES Y-DNA STUDY: Directory Page          
* "GATA H4 now becomes TAGA H4 in line with NIST recommendations...Important note: Family Tree DNA customers who have had 37-marker results which include this marker                                                                           
WILL HAVE TO ADD 1 to their GATA H4 values to update to the newer TAGA H4 system in Ybase and thus be directly comparable with DNA Heritage and Relative Genetics customers..."                                                                                    
Conversely, DNA Heritage costomers would have to deduct 1 from their TAGA H4 values to compare with the FTDNA GATA H4 values.                                                                                            
     If you were tested by DNA Heritage or Relative Genetics, for example, your value on TAGA-H4 will be one repeat unit greater than it would be when reported as GATA-H4 by FTDNA.    
The Y-Search web site has more information on these nomenclature differences:   http://www.ysearch.org/conversion_page.asp#RG            
See also: Whit Athey's Haplogroup Estimator                            
DYS#s=          ~ AMH=>             DB 393 390 19/394 391 385a 385b 426 388 439/ YGATAA4 389-1 392 389-2 (389ii-389i)= steps from AHT 458 459a 459b 455 454 447 437 448 449 464a 464b 464c 464d 464e   DYS#s 460 Y-GATA H4 / TAGA-H4 * YCA II a YCA II b 456 607 576 570 CDY a CDY b 442 438   461 462 GGAAT1B07 YGATAA10 YGATAC4 425 DYS#s