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This page has several parts; please click on the part you wish
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A) BORDER REIVER FAMILIES DNA STUDY, focused on
DYS393=12, DYS459a=10/9/8, & DYS461=10 - Chart |
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B) The Most Common Marker Values of Y-Chromosome Results
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C) Background of Border Reivers "DYS393=12"
Y-DNA Study |
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D) DNA Study Note re Blood Group B |
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E) Discussion of the Hypothesis |
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B) The Most Common Marker Values of Y-Chromosome Results by
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From: |
Y-Chromosome Haplogroups |
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dgarvey/DNA/RelGen/haplogroups.htm |
by Dennis Garvey: |
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The haplogroups HG1, HG2, HG3 are part of an older classification
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From: |
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"In
2002 the Y Chromosome Consortium (YCC) came out with a new classification
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HG1
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P
- The undifferentiated P lineage is a very rare haplogroup in populations at
this time. Although it was the ancestral line to haplogroups Q and R it is
only found at low frequency in India, Pakistan, and central Asia with a most
likely point of origin in either central Asia or the Altai region of
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situation with HG2 is more complex. It turns out that several very different
branches of the human Y-chromosome tree had been lumped together under the
label "HG2". In Europe, the HG2s included members of the F, G, I,
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Haplogroup "I" is found in Central and Eastern Europe, but also
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Haplogroup
"I" is thought to stem from a group (Gravettian culture) that
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culture was "known for its Venus figurines, shell jewellery, and for
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See: http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s211738.htm |
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The other parts of HG2 - Haplogroups F, G, and J - are more common in
Southern and Eastern Europe. They are believed to be the descendants of the
Neolithic farmers from the Middle East who were the first to practice agriculture
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Haplogroup J includes
sub-clades, some of which may be of varying ethnic origins such as
"Krasnador/Adygean", "Multan/Pakistani",
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General Source Description |
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R1b |
Anglo-Saxon-Germanic |
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14 |
11 |
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17 |
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Norse-Russian |
13 |
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Gravettian |
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Middle
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1) |
If
you have a value of "11" at DYS426 then you belong to haplogroup 2
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If
you have a value of "12" at DYS426 and a value of "11" at
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If
you have a value of "12" at DYS426 and DON'T have a value of
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If you have values of DYS426=11 and DYS388=12 then you may belong to HG16 or HG21. |
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for the markers shown are apparently typical for the Haplogroups shown, per
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Y-Chromosome Haplogroups |
http://www.roperld.com/HaplogroupFamilies.htm |
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From: |
Y-Chromosome Markers
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A) BORDER REIVER FAMILIES DNA STUDY, focused on
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