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LeStrange/Strange/Strang/Stronge/Strong

DNA Study Note #01:

 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Sharon Capezza"

To: "David B. Strong"

Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 1:59 PM

Subject: Re: Preliminary Update re DNA Study

 

David,

I was interested in your comments about the HG2 grouping.  If my speculations are correct, the Stranges of New Kent, VA can trace their lineage back to the LeStrange line in England who came with William the Conqueror from Normandy.  I have links that seem to point in that direction, (Complete Peerage, pp. 340-357, excerpt provided by Shropshire Records and Research Center) however, since the younger sons of the LeStrange line did not inherit either the titles or the land of their fathers due to the primogeniture rules, records of their migrations to other parts of England, Ireland, Scotland and
Wales are hard to find.

I believe that one of the Robert Stranges that fall in my line is the younger son of Henry LeStrange and Katherine Drury (the names Drury, Henry and Robert Strange repeat throughout our line). "Sir Roger L'Estrange, Knight. Esquire of the body to King Henry VII, high sheriff of Norfolk in the 11th year of Henry VI, 1495, buried under the raised tomb in the middle
of Hunstanton church." (ob., s. p. 27, Oct. 1506, Weaver's Funeral Monuments, p. 822, his will bears dates.) was the eldest son of Henry, who inherited the title and lands in Norfolk. Hunstanton House was the family seat and passed through several more generations of  Lord Stranges until the line ran out with the failure of the male line in 1503.  The female line in the person of Joan LeStrange, then provided the Lord Strange title to the Stanley family which in 1593, stopped using the title. (Complete Peerage, pp. 340-357, excerpt provided by Shropshire Records and Research Center)


The LeStrange/Strange line that I beleve we are linked to is: (John Strange1635 Devon, John Strange1570 Devon, John LeStrange1547 London, Edmond 1527 Norfolk, Thomas 1494 Norfolk, Robert 1460 Norfolk, Henry 1437 Norfolk).
The use of the LeStrange name switched to L'Estrange and to Strange in the1500's, different members of the family choosing to use the different spellings.  It should be noted that John Mayer disputes this in his “Hypotheses of Hunstonian Descent” in Extraneus, p. 103-110)

Since the LeStranges were most certainly Normans and, since the Roman Empire was certainly spread throughout Western Europe, the connection could very well exist to some Southern European lines.  As I noted, the above lineage is not
thoroughly proved at this point, since I have yet to trace the movement of Edmond to London from Norfolk.  There are records at Cambridge of the Strange sons attendance, including the death of one in a drowning accident.
I'm still working on this part of the line, but I am more directly involved right now in determining the missing link in the American line that makes the connection of Henry (1780) to the line leading back to Alexander (1651) who is definitely the son of the John Strange (1635) above.

Thanks for keeping us up to date and sharing all the neat data you're collecting!
Sharon

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Editor’s Note:  Re tracing the lineage of the Norman LeStrange families, see:

Patrick Harris’ Genealogy of the LeStrange Family

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LeStrange/Strange/Strang/Stronge/Strong

DNA Study Note #02

 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Sharon Capezza"

To: "David B. Strong"

Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 9:33 AM

Subject: Re: New DNA Test Results Posted for a Group Member

 

David…

 

…..I did note one match in the FTM database with 25 out of 25 markers.  That was a surprise, since the name is Mitchell, not either Strange or Strong.  I am going to pursue this lead, since there is a Mitchell in our tree who married my G-G-grandfather's half-sister and this looks to be a close tie to us.

I look forward to seeing more results over the coming weeks and years.  I think this trend of research is producing some pretty amazing information, even if it hasn't done anything for me so far but tell me that we have a unique haplotype to date.

 

Sharon

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----- Original Message -----

From: "Sharon Capezza"

To: "David B. Strong"

Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 6:19 AM

Subject: Re: New DNA Test Results Posted for a Group Member

 

Well, my initial contact with that Mitchell who shares 25 out of 25 of my brother's haploids is very interesting.  He traces his ancestry back to New Kent County, VA and the Stranges that come from that area are the ones to whom I believe my branch of the family is related.  In addition, the first of those Stranges to have emigrated to America from Devon, England, was
married to Phebe Chandler Mitchell.  There are several subsequent marriages between Stranges and Mitchells in VA in the succeeding generations.

This increases my belief that my Henry Strange (1780) is a descendent of  John Strange and Phebe Mitchell of Devon, England.  The fact that Mitchell DNA is such a close match seems to indicate that these families are linked back a few
generations.  Also interesting is the fact that the Mitchell man who matches so closely to my brother does not match any of the other Mitchells who have been tested. 


Thought you might be interested, even though it doesn't fit with the Strong line.

Sharon

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The following excerpt from “Facts & Genes”

January 31, 2003; Volume 2, Issue 1 (Copyright 2003, Family Tree DNA),

See: (http://www.familytreeDNA.com/facts_genes.asp) ; may be of interest here:

 

“Why would someone with a different surname match your Y DNA result?  Many
different situations could have occurred in the past that caused this
result.  These situations are described below.

”1.  Adoption:  In the past, when a woman was widowed with children, and
remarried, the children would often take on the surname of the new
husband.  There were not formal adoption proceedings, as we have today.
The children simply started using the surname.  If this informal adoption
occurred during the time period of recorded records, genealogy research
may uncover evidence of the event, such as you find the children births
recorded under one surname and the children's marriage under the mother's
second husbands surname.  DNA testing can be used to identify the adoption
event in your tree for further genealogical research.

”2.  Extramarital event:  It has been estimated that between 2 and 5 % of
all births are extramarital births.  DNA testing can be utilized to
isolate the extramarital birth.

”3.  The two participants had a common ancestor preceding the adoption of
surnames.

”4.  One of the participant's ancestors changed their name for some reason.
The reasons are as varied as the ancestors, and could range from a
phonetic difference in a new country, to personal preference.  On
occasion, if the wife's line was ending due to the lack of adult males,
her husband would take on her surname to continue the Line.

”5.  An orphan was given a randomly selected surname.

”6.  Convergence:  Mutations over time led to two different surnames having
a matching result today.  A detailed explanation of Convergence is
available in Facts & Genes, Volume I, Issue 5, at the Family Tree DNA web
site:
http://www.familytreeDNA.com/facts_genes.asp?act=show&nk=1.5

 

Editor’s Notes:  There are a few  thoughts arising out of the foregoing notes:

1)     perhaps the Mitchell contact might want to associate with our study

2)     perhaps the Mitchell contact  might have additional info which could be shared re the
joint Strange-Mitchell history which might shed light on the research?

3)     this might pose an interesting example for the "doubtful"  out there
about how DNA testing can turn up interesting and potentially useful info...
certainly our participant and the Mitchell contact now have another whole line of
inquiry to pursue...   

4)     there may be some Strange contacts in England who might be interested in join the study given  these kinds of result... obviously useful! 

5)     Participant’s  belief about Henry's antecedents in Devon, England being confirmed in part by this finding is again a useful bit of info.

 

So, we have a Strange participant who can directly trace lineage to a Henry Strange in the early days of the colonization of Virginia, and who hypothesizes that  Henry was descended from  John Strange and Phebe Mitchell of Devon, England, circa 1600.    We would be MOST interested in having any English descendants of  John Strange and Phebe Mitchell come forward to join the study... and indeed any Stranges of Devon.
Our present participant would be very interested whether a DNA match can be established. 

 

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