Border Reivers - Irvine subsheet                                                                                                                      
  Coordinator: Kent L. Irvin      
    See DNA Discussion Note regarding Irvine lineages: This is the:  => Border Reivers - Clan Irvine subsheet, including variants Irving, Irwin, Irvin, Ervin, Erwin, Ervine, Arwine, etc., See:               http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7egallgaedhil/dna_by_surname.htm     Jim Elliott's Discussion of Methods of Analyzing "Deep Ancestry"  
    See Discussion of DNA Results by Kit   Go To:   => BORDER REIVER FAMILIES Y-DNA STUDY: R1b Results Page See:               http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7egallgaedhil/dna_by_surname.htm     Jim Elliott's ALL Border Reivers by Surname DNA Study  
    Clan Irvine  Badge, Tartan, History   Go To:   => BORDER REIVER FAMILIES Y-DNA STUDY: I, J, P, R, R1b-subclades Results Page See:               http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7egallgaedhil/dna_by_surname.htm     Jim Elliott's ALL Border Reivers by Haplogroup DNA Study  
    Return to the Border Reivers DNA Spreadsheet Go To:   => BORDER REIVER FAMILIES Y-DNA STUDY: Directory Page See:               http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7egallgaedhil/dna_by_surname.htm     Whit Athey's Haplogroup Predictor Program   
    compare: See:               http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7egallgaedhil/dna_by_surname.htm     SNP Testing by Ethnoancestry.com   
    Y-Search Last Names Matching "irvine" See:               http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7egallgaedhil/dna_by_surname.htm     Summary of public results of R1b and S21 SNP tests, by John McEwan  
    Y-Search Last Names Matching "erwin" Note)   FTDNA offers a limited number of SNP's downstream from any of their "estimates"  of participants' Haplogroup.    Other testing  See:               http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7egallgaedhil/dna_by_surname.htm     DNA-Fingerprint.com Advanced DNA testing Laboratory  
    organizations presently offer more "in-depth" SNP testing,  including additional SNP's "downstream" from the general Haplogroup SNP  See:               http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7egallgaedhil/dna_by_surname.htm     DNA-Fingerprint.com The DYS464X (Extended) Test  
    Rootsweb Irvine List - Browse Archives determinant.  Thus,  while FTDNA tests R1b only for the presence of SNP=P25+,  other companies offer additional downstream SNP's: See:               http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7egallgaedhil/dna_by_surname.htm     World Families Network - Y-Haplogroups  
    Rootsweb Irvin List - Browse Archives DNA Heritage offers a range of SNP's which can be found at: DNA Heritage "Y-SNP Tests"      
    Rootsweb Irving List - Browse Archives EthnoAncestry offers a range of SNP's which can be found at:   EthnoAncestry "Product Catalog"      
  Rootsweb Irwin List - Browse Archives R1b SNP's Downstream from P25+ include:    M73 '=> R1b1b;  M269 '=> R1b1c; M37'=> R1b1c1; M65'=> R1b1c2; M126'=> R1b1c3; M153'=> R1b1c4;   
  Rootsweb Erwin List - Browse Archives  M153'=> R1b1c4; M160'=> R1b1c5; M167 (SRY2627)'=> R1b1c6; and S21, which may lead to an additional  "R1b1c?" downstream from M269.   
  Rootsweb Ervin List - Browse Archives Anyone interested in SNP's for other Haplotypes, such as C, G, J2, K1, N, P, Q,  etc., should consult the various company's additional offerings.  
  Rootsweb Ervine List - Browse Archives Another company, DNA Fingerprint, offers an interesting test of the DYS464a,b,c,d complex which may be of further assistance in researching   
     "Deep Ancestry". See:               http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7egallgaedhil/dna_by_surname.htm     DNA-Fingerprint.com The DYS464X (Extended) Test    
     
Updated to 22 November 2005    
                                                                                                                             
FTDNA Locus:           See Donegal Bay  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 Locus12-10=result   13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25       26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37   (Below Loci tested by Relative Genetics and Ancestry; 461 also by dnaheritage.com & genetree.com) Additional Loci tested by: DnaHeritage by: Oxford Ancestors  
DYS#s=          ~ AMH=>           393 390 19/394 391 385a 385b 426 388 439/ YGATAA4 389-1 392 389-2 (389ii-389i)=   458 459a 459b 455 454 447 437 448 449 464a 464b 464c 464d 464e   DYS#s 460 Y-GATA H4 / TAGA-H4 * YCA II a YCA II b 456 607 576 570 CDY a CDY b 442 438   461 462 GGAAT1B07 YGATAA10 YGATAC4 441 444 445 446 452 463 425 DYS#s
                  *   ** **     * / ** ***   ***   **               ** **/*** **/*** **/*** **/*** **             ** ** ** **                                
HG1=~R1b Modal Values                        =>      => 13 24 14 11  (Roper)11= Paleolithic 14 12=HG1    12 12 13 13 29 16   17 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 29 (Roper)16= Paleolithic  16 18 18     <=HG1=> 11 12 19 23             12 12   11 11 10 13 23               <=HG1=>
Est. Mutation Rates from WFN: Marker and Mutation Comparisons '=> .0012 .0045 .0016 .0036 .0033 (*) .0005
.0005 .0045 .0021 .0016 .0028     .0066 .0014 (*) .0005 .0005 .0045 .0020 0.0028 0.0075 0.0035 0.0035 0.0035 0.0035       .0028 0.0036 .0014   (*)
              0.0012   .0028 .0005
.0013 .0045
.0028
              See Marsh:
Est. Mutation Rates from SMGF: Marker and Mutation Comparisons '=> .00111 .0044 .00153 .00316 0.0028   .00027 .00038 .00418 .00218 .00147   .00257   .0058 .00118   .00031 .00023 .00388 .00174 .00236 .00646               .00294 .00304 .00124             .002 .0010   .00231 .00053 .00091 .0038 .00236 .002 .002 .002 .002 .002 .002    
Test By:  Results  Number: Surname Group:  Haplogroup: (Green = SNP Tested) DNA Study Notes:  Y-Base    /   Y-Search links: YSTR Mutation Rates '=>          Migration Pattern: 0.0034 0.00403 0.00143 0.0041 0.00292     May mutate in multi-steps?! 0.00204 0.0034 0.00323   steps from AMHT                             steps from AMHT Results  Number:       May mutate in multi-steps?!                 steps from AMHT Additional Relative Genetics loci.   See Rel Gen Reporting Conventions Note, Below:                Results  Number:
See Garvey's Discussion re: I            =>   13 22-25 14,15,16 10,11 10,11,13,14 14,15 11 14 11 12,13 11 28-31 17   15 8 9 8 11 23 16 20 29 12 14 14 16       10 10 19 21 14 14 17 18 36 37 12 10                            
FTDNA   Crothers I1a See Clan Bruce: M2MT6 Scotland    13 23 15 10 14 15 11 14 11 12 11 29 17 0 15 8 9 8 11 23 16 19 29 12 14 14 16   0   10 11 19 21 14 14 17 18 36 37 12 10 0                          
FTDNA   Blair I1a WQ368 Virginia, USA    13 23 15 10 14 15 11 14 11 12 11 29 17 0 15 8 9 8 11 23 16 19 29 12 14 14 16   0   10 10 19 21 14 14 17 18 36 37 12 10 0                          
FTDNA 29391 Irvine I1a WTE8P Fermanagh DB 13 23 15 10 14 15 11 14 11 12 11 29 17 0 15 8 9 8 11 23 16 19 29 12 14 14 16   0 29391                         ?                         29391                      
                                                   
Apparent Irvine Modal Haplotype #1 (AMHT) =>    =>   13 24 14 11 11 15 12 12 12 13 13 29 16 #1 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 20 30 15 16 17 17   #1   11 10 19 24 15 15 18 16 36 38 12 12 #1 12 11   13   13 12 12 13 11 22 12  
FTDNA 12289 Erwin R1b   YZQP7     13 24 14 11 11 15 12 12 12 13 13 29 16 0 17 9 10 11 11 25 14 20 30 15 16 17 17   1 12289 10 10 19 19 15 15 18 16 36 37 12 12 4                         12289
FTDNAH'tgeOA 23026 Irvin R1b See below:* EHKTM See Discussion:   13 24 14 11 11 15 12 12 12 13 13 29 16 0 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 20 29 15 16 17 17   1 23026 11 10 * 19 24 15 15 18 16 36 37 12 12 2 12 11 10 13 24 13 12 12 13 11 22 12 23026
FTDNA 19899 Elliott R1b   2T7JS See Discussion: DB 13 24 14 11 11 15 12 12 12 13 13 29 16 0 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 20 30 15 16 17 17   0 19899 11 10 19 24 15 15 18 16 36 38 13 12 1                         19899
FTDNA 32599 Irvine R1b   E2DB8     13 24 14 11 11 15 12 12 12 13 13 29 16 0 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 20 30 15 16 17 17   0 32599 11 10 19 24 15 15 18 16 36 38 12 12 0                         32599
FTDNA 22874 Irvine R1b   WKXXJ     13 24 14 11 11 15 12 12 12 13 13 29 16 0 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 20 30 15 17 17 17   1 22874 11 10 19 24 15 15 18 16 36 39 12 12 2                         22874
FTDNA 26509 Ervin R1b   94MCS     13 24 14 11 11 15 12 12 12 13 13 29 16 0 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 20 30 15 17 17 17   1 26509 11 10 19 24 15 15 17 16 36 38 12 12 2                         26509
FTDNARelGen 11369 Irving R1b mtDNA CFQMM See * below:   13 24 14 11 11 15 12 12 12 13 13 29 16 0 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 20 30 15 15 17 17   1 11369 11 10 * 19 24                 ? 12 11 11 13 26 13 12 12 13 11 22   11369
FTDNA 33141 Irwin R1b   Z33VT Armstrong, PA   13 24 14 11 11 15 12 12 12 13 13 29 16 0 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 20 31 15 15 17 17   2 33141 11 10 19 24 15 15 18 16 36 38 12 12 2                         33141
FTDNA 31385 Arwine R1b   XUYQV New Jersey   13 24 14 11 12 15 12 12 12 13 13 29 16 1 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 20 30 15 15 15 17   3 31385                         ?                         31385
NGP/FTDNA N7484 Irwin R1b   KB57N Scotland    13 24 14 11 11 15 12 12 12 13 13 30 17 1                             ? N7484                         ?                         N7484
    Erwin R1b    ZFUT9 Ireland    13 24 14 11 11 15 13 12 12 12 13 28 16 1                             ?                           ?                          
                                                                                                                               
Apparent Irvine Modal Haplotype #2 (AMHT) =>    =>   13 24 14 10 11 15 12 12 12 13 13 29 16 #2 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 19/20? 30 15 16 16/17? 17   #2   11 10 19 24 15 15 18 16 36 38/39? 12 12 #2 12 11   13   13 12 12 13 11 22 12  
FTDNA 18960 Irving R1b mtDNA PSU2X See Comparisons:   13 24 14 10 11 15 12 12 12 13 13 30 17 1 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 20 30 15 16 17 17   2 18960 11 10 19 24 15 15 18 16 36 38 12 12 3                         18960
FTDNA 28610 Erwin R1b   79AYA     13 24 14 10 11 15 12 12 12 13 13 29 16 0 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 20 30 15 16 16 17   2 28610 11 10 19 24 15 15 18 16 36 39 12 12 3                         28610
FTDNA 25244 Irvine R1b   ZSGA5 See Comparisons: DB 13 23 14 10 11 15 12 12 12 13 13 29 16 1                             ? 25244                         ?                         25244
                                                                                                                               
FTDNA 42048 Erwin R1b   PXSR4 Rochester, NY   13 24 14 10 11 15 12 12 12 13 13 29 16 0 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 29 15 15 17 17       11 11 19 23 15 15 17 17 36 37 13 12 ?                          
    Erwin R1b    RS7T5 Unknown    13 24 15 10 10 14 12 12 12 13 13 29 16 3 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 31 15 15 16 17   4   11 11 19 23 15 16 17 17 36 37 10 12 10                          
FTDNA 29479 Irvine R1b    T2UH5 Orkney Is.   13 24 14 10 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 28 15 2 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 29 14 15 16 17   4 29479 10 11 19 23 15 15 19 17 36 38 12 12 8                         29479
FTDNA 28526 Irwin R1b mtDNA MYBA2     13 24 14 11 11 15 12 12 11 13 13 29 16 2 17 9 9 11 11 25 15 19 30 15 16 17 17   4 28526 11 10 19 24 15 15 18 16 36 39 12 12 5                         28526
                                                                                                                               
Apparent Irvine Modal Haplotype #3 (AMHT) =>    =>   13 24 14 10 11 14? 12 12 11 13 13 29 16 #3 17 9 9 11 11 25 15 19 29 15 15 17 17   #3   11 11 19 23 15 15 ? 17 ? ? 12 12 #3 12 11   13   13 12 12 13 11 22 12  
    Erwin R1b    N45D3 Belfast, Ireland    13 24 14 10 11 14 12 12 11 13 13 29 16 0 17 9 9 11 11 25 15 19 29 15 15 17 17   0   11 12 19 23 15 15 16 17 34 39 12 12 ?                          
FTDNA 22971 Irwin R1b   AURXF     13 24 14 10 11 15 12 12 11 13 13 29 16 1 17 10 11 11 11 24 15 19 29 15 15 15 17   5 22971 11 11 19 23 15 15 17 17 35 36 13 12 ?                         22971
FTDNA 16422 Irvine R1b See:   Shetland Islands   13 23 14 10 11 13 12 12 11 13 13 29 16 2 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 30 15 15 17 17   4 16422                         ?                         16422
                                                                                                                               
Compare Apparent Ewing Modal Haplotype  (AMHT) =>  =>   13 25 15 11 11 13 12 12 11 13 14 29 16 cf 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 18 31 15 16 16 17   cf   11 11 19 23 18 16 18 17 37 38 11 12 cf 12 11   13   13 12 12 13 11 22 12  
FTDNA 37103 Ewing R1b     See Separate Ewing Study:   13 25 15 11 11 13 12 12 11 13 14 29 16 ? 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 18 31 15 16 16 17   ?   11 11 19 23 18 16 18 17 37 38 11 12 ?                          
FTDNA 32056 Ewing R1b       13 25 14 11 11 13 12 12 12 13 14 29 16 ? 18 9 10 10 11 25 15 18 30 15 16 16 17   ?                           ?                          
                                                                                                                               
FTDNA 21529 Arwine R1b   ESVN6 See Discussion:   13 25 14 11 11 14 13 12 11 13 13 30 17 ? 16 9 9 11 11 26 14 20 33 17 17 17 17   ? 21529                         ?                         21529
                                                                                                                               
Est. Mutation Rates from WFN: Marker and Mutation Comparisons '=> .0012 .0045 .0016 .0036 .0033 (*) .0005
.0005 .0045 .0021 .0016 .0028     .0066 .0014 (*) .0005 .0005 .0045 .0020 0.0028 0.0075 0.0035 0.0035 0.0035 0.0035       .0028 0.0036 .0014   (*)
              0.0012   .0028 .0005
.0013 .0045
.0028
              See Marsh:
Est. Mutation Rates from SMGF: Marker and Mutation Comparisons '=> .00111 .0044 .00153 .00316 0.0028   .00027 .00038 .00418 .00218 .00147   .00257   .0058 .00118   .00031 .00023 .00388 .00174 .00236 .00646               .00294 .00304 .00124             .002 .0010   .00231 .00053 .00091 .0038 .00236 .002 .002 .002 .002 .002 .002    
FTDNA Locus:             1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 Locus12-10=result steps from AMHT 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25   steps from AMHT   26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 steps from AMHT (Loci tested by Relative Genetics and Ancestry; 461 also by dnaheritage.com & genetree.com) Additional Loci tested by: DnaHeritage by: Oxford Ancestors  
DYS#s=          ~ AMH=>           DB 393 390 19/394 391 385a 385b 426 388 439/ YGATAA4 389-1 392 389-2 (389ii-389i)=   458 459a 459b 455 454 447 437 448 449 464a 464b 464c 464d 464e   DYS#s 460 Y-GATA H4 / TAGA-H4 * YCA II a YCA II b 456 607 576 570 CDY a CDY b 442 438   461 462 GGAAT1B07 YGATAA10 YGATAC4 441 444 445 446 452 463 425 DYS#s
* DYS 19 is also known as DYS 394./ * DYS 439 is apparently also known as Y GATA A 4.  The Ancestry results for locus Y GATA A 4 are the same values as the FTDNA results for locus #9 (DYS 439)                                                            
The Atlantic Modal Haplotype (AMH) consists of DYS393=13; 390=24; 19=14; 391=11; 388=12; & 392=13.  It is an outdated concept, and is not broadly useful in distinguishing the many haplotypes now known to exist.                                                                       
Red Colored Cells=> ** Rapid Mutation Rates; per FTDNA. Red Mutation Rates => Estimated Rapid Mutation Rates per  Marker and Mutation Comparisons                                   See:               http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7egallgaedhil/dna_by_surname.htm     Jim Elliott's Discussion of Methods of Analyzing "Deep Ancestry"                            
From "Marsh": "FTDNA released results of a study Nov 2004.  The way data was collected, it has been questioned by some if it may have biased results.  However, in the absence of good information, it is a significant study.                 See:               http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7egallgaedhil/dna_by_surname.htm     Jim Elliott's ALL Border Reivers by Surname DNA Study                          
This indicates the mutation rate is faster than originally thought. … on average, you might expect one mutation every 21 generations with 12 markers, every 9 generations with 25 markers, and every 5 generations with 37 markers.                  See:               http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7egallgaedhil/dna_by_surname.htm     Jim Elliott's ALL Border Reivers by Haplogroup DNA Study                          
However, there are a number of factors at play which need to be allowed for.  Some markers, if the have very high or low scores might be more likely to mutate, meaning that some families might be prone to more mutations than other                  See:               http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7egallgaedhil/dna_by_surname.htm     Whit Athey's Haplogroup Predictor Program                           
families.  It might also be significant to take into consideration if it is slow or fast mutating markers which have mutated.  Other markers seem to mutate in more than one step at a time, and this needs to be considered."                 See:               http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7egallgaedhil/dna_by_surname.htm     SNP Testing by Ethnoancestry.com                           
*** See Genetic Distance - FTDNA Calculation                                                           See:               http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7egallgaedhil/dna_by_surname.htm     Summary of public results of R1b and S21 SNP tests, by John McEwan                          
"The 389-1 count is also included in the 389-2 count. In other words, 389-2 has two parts: the 389-1 part and its other unique part.                       See:               http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7egallgaedhil/dna_by_surname.htm     DNA-Fingerprint.com Advanced DNA testing Laboratory                          
"Therefore, the calculation to determine distance subtracts the 389-1 count from the 389-2 for each person to determine one set of numbers. Those results are subtracted and the difference is added to the 389-1 difference.                       See:               http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7egallgaedhil/dna_by_surname.htm     DNA-Fingerprint.com The DYS464X (Extended) Test                          
"No matter what the difference is in any of the 464 a b c d groups, each counts only as 1 and any match in the group counts as 0 no matter what order it appears on the chart."                       See:               http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7egallgaedhil/dna_by_surname.htm     World Families Network - Y-Haplogroups                          
Note: [DYS426=12 PLUS DYS392=11]=>R1a                                                                                                            
Note Below for Relative Genetics Reporting Conventions:                                                                                                        
     The values for DYS454, DYS455, and Y-GATA-H4 are given according to Relative Genetics revised reporting conventions.                                                                                           
     Before Spring 2003, the values reported for DYS454 and DYS455 were smaller by "1" than those for the new convention.                                    This is the:  => Border Reivers - Clan Irvine subsheet, including variants Irving, Irwin, Irvin, Ervin, Erwin, Arwine, etc.,          
     Similarly, Relative Genetics changed their convention for reporting Y-GATA-H4 in the Fall of 2002.                                                Go To:   => BORDER REIVER FAMILIES Y-DNA STUDY: R1b Results Page          
     Values for Y-GATA-H4 reported before that time were larger by "15".                                                        Go To:   => BORDER REIVER FAMILIES Y-DNA STUDY: I, J, P, R, R1b-subclades Results Page          
     The marker Y-GATA-A4 was found to be identical to DYS439 and is no longer used by Relative Genetics.                                           Go To:   => BORDER REIVER FAMILIES Y-DNA STUDY: Directory Page          
* "GATA H4 now becomes TAGA H4 in line with NIST recommendations...Important note: Family Tree DNA customers who have had 37-marker results which include this marker                                                                                 
WILL HAVE TO ADD 1 to their GATA H4 values to update to the newer TAGA H4 system in Ybase and thus be directly comparable with DNA Heritage and Relative Genetics customers..."                                                                                      
Conversely, DNA Heritage costomers would have to deduct 1 from their TAGA H4 values to compare with the FTDNA GATA H4 values.                                                                                              
     If you were tested by DNA Heritage or Relative Genetics, for example, your value on TAGA-H4 will be one repeat unit greater than it would be when reported as GATA-H4 by FTDNA.        
The Y-Search web site has more information on these nomenclature differences:   http://www.ysearch.org/conversion_page.asp#RG                  
See also: Whit Athey's Haplogroup Estimator                                
              DB DYS 393 DYS 390 DYS 19/394 DYS 391 DYS 385a DYS 385b DYS 426 DYS 388 DYS 439 DYS 389-1 DYS 392 DYS 389-2 (389ii-389i)= steps from AHT DYS 458 DYS 459a DYS 459b DYS 455 DYS 454 DYS 447 DYS 437 DYS 448 DYS 449 DYS 464a DYS 464b DYS 464c DYS 464d 464e steps from AHT DYS#s 460 Y-GATA H4 / TAGA-H4 YCA II a YCA II b 456 607 576 570 CDY a CDY b 442 438 steps from AHT 461 462 GGAAT1B07 YGATAA10 YGATAC4 441 444 445 446 452 463 425 DYS#s