Border Reivers - Liddell Clan subsheet   This is the:  => Border Reivers - Clan Liddell subsheet, including variants Liddle, Little, Lyttle, etc.                                                      
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    Clan Liddell, aka Little, aka Lyttle  Badge, Tartan, History   Go To:   => BORDER REIVER FAMILIES Y-DNA STUDY: I, J, P, R, R1b-subclades Results Page        
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Updated to December 19, 2004:                                                         Dropping each by one. These results reflect those changes."                                      
FTDNA Locus:           See Donegal Bay  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 Locus12-10=result   13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25       26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37   (Below Loci tested by Relative Genetics and Ancestry; 461 also by dnaheritage.com & genetree.com) by: Oxford Ancestors  
DYS#s=          ~ AMH=>           393 390 19/394 391 385a 385b 426 388 439/ YGATAA4 389-1 392 389-2 (389ii-389i)=   458 459a 459b 455 454 447 437 448 449 464a 464b 464c 464d 464e   DYS#s 460 Y-GATA H4 / TAGA-H4 * YCA II a YCA II b 456 607 576 570 CDY a CDY b 442 438   461 462 GGAAT1B07 YGATAA10 YGATAC4 425 DYS#s
                  *   ** **     * / ** ***   ***     **               ** **/*** **/*** **/*** **/*** **                 ** ** ** **                    
HG1=~R1b  (HT15) Modal Values                        =>      => 13 24 14 11 (Roper)11= Paleolithic 14 12= HG1    12 12 13 13 29 16   17 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 29 (Roper) 16= Paleolithic  16 18 18     <=HG1=> 11 12 19 23             12 12   11 11 10 13 23   <=HG1=>
Estimated Mutation Rates; from
Marker and Mutation Comparisons '=> .0012 .0045 .0016 .0036 .0033 (*) .0005
 .0005 .0045 .0021 .0016 .0028     .0066 .0014 (*) .0005 .0005 .0045 .0020 0.003 0.008 0.0035 0.0035 0.004 0.0035       .0028 .0036
 .0014   (*)
               .0012   .0028 .0005
 .0013 .0045
 .0028
   See Marsh:
Test By:  Results  Number: Surname Group:  Haplogroup: (Green = SNP Tested) DNA Study Notes:  Y-Base    /   Y-Search links: YSTR Mutation   Rates '=>          Migration Pattern: 0.0034 0.00403 0.00143 0.0041 0.00292     May mutate in multi-steps?! 0.002 0.0034 0.00323   steps from AHT                             steps from AHT Results  Number:       May mutate in multi-steps?!                 steps from AHT Additional Relative Genetics loci.   See Rel Gen Reporting Conventions Note, Below:    Results  Number:
                                                                                                                   
Assumed Liddell/Little Ancestral Haplotype #1 (AHT) =>    =>   13 24 14 11 11 11 12 12 12 13 13 29 16 #1 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 20 29 14 15 17 17   #1   11 10 19 24 15 15 18 16 36 38 12 12 #1   11   13      
FTDNA 26664 Liddell R1b Compare UFFCJ     13 24 14 11 11 11 12 12 12 13 13 30 17 1                                                                        
FTDNA   Little R1b   Z6GNG     13 24 14 11 11 11 12 12 12 13 13 29 16 0                                                                        
OA   Little R1b   QBB9D     13 24 14 11     12 12   13 13 29 16 ?                                                                     12  
FTDNA   Little R1b   TGCBH     13 24 14 11 11 11 12 12 12 13 13 29 16 0 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 29 14 15 17 17   0?                                          
FTDNA 27531 Lyttle R1b  
EUUEK
     13 24 14 11 11 11 12 12 13 14 13 30 16 1                               27531                                       27531  
                 
Haplotypes  J " V         DYS 393 DYS 390 DYS 19/394 DYS 391 DYS 385a DYS 385b DYS 426 DYS 388 DYS 439 DYS 389-1 DYS 392 DYS 389-2 (389ii-389i)=   DYS 458 DYS 459a DYS 459b DYS 455 DYS 454 DYS 447 DYS 437 DYS 448 DYS 449 DYS 464a DYS 464b DYS 464c DYS 464d 464e   DYS#s 460 Y-GATA H4 / TAGA-H4 YCA II a YCA II b 456 607 576 570 CDY a CDY b 442 438   461 462 GGAAT1B07 YGATAA10 YGATAC4 425  
MODAL VALUES (J2)     =>   12 23 14 10     11 16     11         9 9 11 11                                                              
FTDNA 26791 Liddell -   EGCCF     12 23 14 10 13 18 11 17 11 13 11 29 16                                                                          
FTDNA 27059 Liddell  -         12 23 14 10 13 18 11 17 11 13 11 29 16                                                                          
FTDNA 26819 Liddell -   CK2MP     12 23 14 10 13 19 11 17 11 13 11 29 16                                                                          
                                                                                                                   
                        (Roper)14= Neolithic                                     (Roper)13= Neolithic                                       Additional Relative Genetics loci.   See Rel Gen Reporting Conventions Note, Below:     
Test By:  Results  Number: Surname Group:  Haplogroup: (Green = SNP Tested) DNA Study Notes: Y-Base    /   Y-Search links: Migration Pattern: DB 393 390 19/394 391 385a 385b 426 388 439/ YGATAA4 389-1 392 389-2 (389ii-389i)= steps from AHT 458 459a 459b 455 454 447 437 448 449 464a 464b 464c 464d 464e steps from AHT Results  Number: 460 Y-GATA H4 / TAGA-H4 * YCA II a YCA II b 456 607 576 570 CDY a CDY b 442 438 steps from AHT 461 462 GGAAT1B07 YGATAA10 YGATAC4 425 DYS#s
          (Note: Y-Base only used if no Y-Search entry)         *   ** **     * / ** ***   ***     **               ** **/*** **/*** **/*** **/*** **                 ** ** ** **                    
                                                          "Note - On May 19, 2003 FTDNA reassigned the values for 464a,b,c,and d.  
                                                          Dropping each by one. These results reflect those changes."                                        
* DYS 19 is also known as DYS 394./ * DYS 439 is apparently also known as Y GATA A 4.  The Ancestry results for locus Y GATA A 4 are the same values as the FTDNA results for locus #9 (DYS 439)                                                      
The Atlantic Modal Haplotype (AMH) consists of DYS393=13; 390=24; 19=14; 391=11; 388=12; & 392=13.  It is an outdated concept, and is not broadly useful in distinguishing the many haplotypes now known to exist.                                                                 
Red Colored Cells=> ** Rapid Mutation Rates; per FTDNA. Red Mutation Rates => Estimated Rapid Mutation Rates per  Marker and Mutation Comparisons                                                                              
From "Marsh": "FTDNA released results of a study Nov 2004.  The way data was collected, it has been questioned by some if it may have biased results.  However, in the absence of good information, it is a significant study.                                                            
This indicates the mutation rate is faster than originally thought. … on average, you might expect one mutation every 21 generations with 12 markers, every 9 generations with 25 markers, and every 5 generations with 37 markers.                                                             
However, there are a number of factors at play which need to be allowed for.  Some markers, if the have very high or low scores might be more likely to mutate, meaning that some families might be prone to more mutations than other                                                             
families.  It might also be significant to take into consideration if it is slow or fast mutating markers which have mutated.  Other markers seem to mutate in more than one step at a time, and this needs to be considered."                                                            
*** See Genetic Distance - FTDNA Calculation                                                                                                      
"The 389-1 count is also included in the 389-2 count. In other words, 389-2 has two parts: the 389-1 part and its other unique part.                                                                  
"Therefore, the calculation to determine distance subtracts the 389-1 count from the 389-2 for each person to determine one set of numbers. Those results are subtracted and the difference is added to the 389-1 difference.                                                                  
"No matter what the difference is in any of the 464 a b c d groups, each counts only as 1 and any match in the group counts as 0 no matter what order it appears on the chart."                                                                  
Note: [DYS426=12 PLUS DYS392=11]=>R1a                                                                                                      
Note Below for Relative Genetics Reporting Conventions:                                                                                                  
     The values for DYS454, DYS455, and Y-GATA-H4 are given according to Relative Genetics revised reporting conventions.                                                                                     
     Before Spring 2003, the values reported for DYS454 and DYS455 were smaller by "1" than those for the new convention.                                This is the:  => Border Reivers - Clan Liddell subsheet, including variants Liddle, Little, Lyttle, etc.          
     Similarly, Relative Genetics changed their convention for reporting Y-GATA-H4 in the Fall of 2002.                                            Go To:   => BORDER REIVER FAMILIES Y-DNA STUDY: R1b Results Page          
     Values for Y-GATA-H4 reported before that time were larger by "15".                                                  Go To:   => BORDER REIVER FAMILIES Y-DNA STUDY: I, J, P, R, R1b-subclades Results Page          
     The marker Y-GATA-A4 was found to be identical to DYS439 and is no longer used by Relative Genetics.                                     Go To:   => BORDER REIVER FAMILIES Y-DNA STUDY: Directory Page          
* "GATA H4 now becomes TAGA H4 in line with NIST recommendations...Important note: Family Tree DNA customers who have had 37-marker results which include this marker                                                                           
WILL HAVE TO ADD 1 to their GATA H4 values to update to the newer TAGA H4 system in Ybase and thus be directly comparable with DNA Heritage and Relative Genetics customers..."                                                                                
Conversely, DNA Heritage costomers would have to deduct 1 from their TAGA H4 values to compare with the FTDNA GATA H4 values.                                                                                        
     If you were tested by DNA Heritage or Relative Genetics, for example, your value on TAGA-H4 will be one repeat unit greater than it would be when reported as GATA-H4 by FTDNA.    
The Y-Search web site has more information on these nomenclature differences:   http://www.ysearch.org/conversion_page.asp#RG            
See also: Whit Athey's Haplogroup Estimator                            
DYS#s=          ~ AMH=>           DB 393 390 19/394 391 385a 385b 426 388 439/ YGATAA4 389-1 392 389-2 (389ii-389i)= steps from AHT 458 459a 459b 455 454 447 437 448 449 464a 464b 464c 464d 464e   DYS#s 460 Y-GATA H4 / TAGA-H4 * YCA II a YCA II b 456 607 576 570 CDY a CDY b 442 438   461 462 GGAAT1B07 YGATAA10 YGATAC4 425 DYS#s