Jacob Remy / Ramey genealogy
Jacob Remy / Ramey Genealogy
#1 Francios Haldatt: #2 Mary [Spencer or Miles]
Remy Arms
Fifth Generation
JACQUES (JACOB) Remy
Born: 1630 Ivoy Lorraine France
Died: before 11-29-1721 Parish of Cople, Westmoreland County Virginia
Will was made in 1702
Died: 91 years of age
His will was proven in 1721
Married: #1 Francioise Haldat Seigniur Debonnet in Lorraine
France
Daughter of [father] Antoine Haldatt II
Siegneur De Bonnet and
[mother] Madelaine Marchand (married 1625)
Grandaughter of Christopher Haldatt I
Francios was a frail young woman, a lady in waiting at court.
Francios was indentured out to Drayton on a different ship and died on the voyage to America
What horror’s she went through no one knows
Jacob Married: #2 in 1671 Mary Spencer Born In Virginia in 1650
She was 21 and he was 41, the same year he became a free man after serving 7 years to Nicholas Spencer.
He was given 50 acres of land after serving 7 years.
He also bought land that same year
Note Here:::::
Mary Is sometimes Referred To As Mary Miles dau. of Marmaduke Miles.
because some researcher saw the will of Miles Marmaduke and thought it was
Marmaduke Miles
and she was his daughter.
This is not so. His name was Miles
Marmaduke.
It is most likely that they were just simply friends, since Miles
Marmaduke is close to Jacob Remy’s age.
The fact that Miles Marmaduke was
Jacob’s age and Mary was born in 1650
would rule out her being his sister, and Miles son Christopher was born
in 1680 would basically rule out her being his daughter since
Jane was Miles
Only wife and she was
young enough to have a child in 1680 but 1650 would make
her too young to have had Mary.
Other prominent genealogies
have his wife as Mary Spencer.
This seems to be the right conclusion since John
Spencer,
son of Nicholas, left money to
his sisters Mary and Elizabeth in his will.
But there are accounts that Mary Married Joseph Ball
after Jacob had died
What her last name was, is still in question, most very reliable early history sources have Mary Spencer,
First Families in America,
Has her listed as Mary Spencer
Compendium of American Genealogies Listing in First families
John Spencer also in
Westmoreland Co. Va.,
Deed Book 3, P. 72; “John Spencer Godfather Of John
Thomas On April 29, 1702,
Deeds To John Thomas 50 Acres Of Land, Being Part Of
200 Acres Formerly Sold
By Jacob Remy Unto My Father Nicholas Spencer, Esq.
,
Dec’d., Being In Nominy Forest,
Bounded As Follows; A Path Leading From Jacob
Remy’s To Richard Doziers”,
Also French Who Lived Next To The Remy Plantation”
3-196- Anthony Carpenter of Westmoreland County,
164 A in forest of Nominy on Brs. of Coss
and pantico Run of Graeat Rappanhannock cr.
in said co survey by Thomas Thompson. Adj. Jacob Remy sr/.
Richard Dowzure, Joseph Beal, 6 Dec. 1708
1712. Jacob Remy's last returned survey, in Richmond,
He worked for Nicholas Spencer sr as a Surveyor of land
He continued with that job after he was released from his indenture
1702: He had acquired much land and was large enough to
call it a plantation.
A mere slave would not have been able to accumulate this
land and have the respect and standing in the Parish as Jacob did.
He was according to land records closely associated with
Nicholas Spencer and John his son.
Jacob had even sold land to Nicholas his
former master.
Westmoreland Co., Va., Court Records, Deed Book 5, P. 628;
“Francis Spencer Vs. Carderoy Vaughan, July 27, 1715;
Deposition Of Jacob Remy:::
That In The Year 1661 He Carried Chains {surveyed} In A Survey That Was Made On The Land,
Which Nicholas Spencer, Esq., His Then Master,
Afterward Purchased, And Lived On By The
Aforesaid Nicholas Spencer, Esq.,
And One Richard Wright, Etc. We Find By The
Oaths Of Mary Taylor,
Mary Remy, And The Aforementioned Jacob Remy, That John
Armsbys Successors
Did Live In The Old Field A Little Above Where We Began The
Survey, Etc. That They (Jacob And Mary Remy) Never Knew The Aforesaid John
Armsby,
But They Heard And Always Understood That He Lived There And
That The
Land Was Called His…….”
Forthergills Wills of Westmoreland Co., Va.; p. 4;
“Will of John Armsby dated 1659”.
As John Armsby d. in 1659 and above deposition shows Jacob Remy
living there in 1661, this places his importation at
1654 or before. His first wife, Francois, was imported in
1654 under Indenture to John Drayton, while Jacob was
Indentured to Nicholas Spencer.
Under this Indenture System large land owners and other
influential men in the colonies made a contract whereby many
worthy men and women were obligated to work out their passage
money as servants to their “masters by indenture”.
These so called Masters received from the crown
50 additional acres for each person so imported.
Westmoreland Co., Va. Deed Book 7, p. 336; “Abraham Smith on
Sept. 27, 1721 deeds to John Ramey, 50 acres, being part of a
deed of 200 acres of land bought of Jacob Ramey, Sr., by
Coll. Nicholas Spencer, and afterward made over to John
Spencer, Gent., by deed of gift to Abraham Smith, his godson,
etc., land commonly called and known by name of Beatles
Neck, and bounded on the land of Jacob Ramey, Sr.”
A Short History on Miles Marmaduke:
Prominent Genealogy Research. Westmoreland Will Book II
volume I
Name Miles Marmaduke, 16 May 1695 proven 28 August 1695
My wife Jane home plantation for life; son Christopher
residue of estate when 16 years of age; Jacob Remy and Morgan Williams to be
trustees of my estate
This will says his son Christopher is not 16 in 1695 so
Mary would not have been his daughter. Jacob was about the same age as Miles
Marmaduke.
His name is Miles Marmaduke NOT Marmaduke Miles
Miles Marmaduke (his name is listed as Meredith Miles
Marmaduke ancestor of 2 Governor’s of
Missouri.
Married to Jane, Father Richard Marmaduke of England
source: Early Virginia
Immigrants; 1638 Richard Marmaduke by Chrisopher Wormley, Charles River Co
Information from the German side of the Remy Genealogy:
Jacob and his wife escaped to Germany to relatives, first and then came on to England
By the time they got to England their Money had run out and had to get passage to America as indentured slaves for 7 years
Coming to America some ships left England then went to Holland and came on to America by way of Holland
Some ships came by way or Ireland after leaving England
Virginia Magazine of History and Biography, the William and Mary
College Quarterly and Tylers Quarterly Listing of Wills
also
BOOK 7, P 254 ALSO FOTHERGILLS WILLS P75.
Jacob Remy, dated July 1702, proved Dec. 5, 1721;
To loving wife Mary,
the furniture in her room.
To oldest son William, one shilling on demand.
To youngest son Jacob, 200 acres of land, the land on which I now live.”
No other Children Were mentioned in the will but there were possibly others.
Girls were often left out and sometimes sons.
He came to Virginia from England in 1654 under the “Indenture System”,
bound to “Nicholas Spencer, Esq., who was appointed Secretary of the colony of Va.,
during the pleasure of the King Charles II (1606-1702) - March 2.”
Original Lists of Emigrants, Vol. 1-1600 to 1637;
Vol. 2-1662 to 1700, by John C. Hotten,
1874, p. 271, Vol. 1: “Fra. (Francois) Rame to Westmoreland Co., Va.,
by John Drayton, 1654.”
His wife Francoise evidently did not survive the trip to Va.,
and he married. 2nd. In 1671 Mary Spencer.
He became a land owner in this year and was naturalized in 1680. He died. in 1721.
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Jacobs Naturalization
Naturalization of Jacob Remy found in the National Genealogical Society Quarterly Volume1-85 1600s-1900s Vol. 51
“JACOB REMY’S NATURALIZATION PAPERS;
By the Deputy Govr. Of Virg.
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Whereas the Kings most Excellent Majesty in his most Special Grace and favour hath been graciously pleased for the Greater promotion and propagation of this his Majesty’s Colony and Dominion of Virg.: by Act of Assembly, to enact and declare all Aliens coming into this country and here residing, taking the Oath of Allegience, to be invested with all rights and privileges of any, or his Majesty’s natural born subjects within the said Colony and, Whereas by the said Act it is enacted and declared that the Governor and Commander in Chief for the time being in said Colony having taken the Oath of Allegiance before the Governor and Commander in Chief for the time being to be to all intents and purposes fully and completely naturalized, and the person or persons so approved of and named in the letters Patent to have and enjoy to them and their heirs, the same immunities and rights of and unto the laws and privileges of their colony, and as fully and amply as any of his Majesty’s natural born subjects of this colony have or enjoy within the same. Therefore I, Sir Henry Chichley, Knight, his Majesty’s Deputy Governor and Commander in Chief, do by virtue of the said Act, hereby certify and declare that Jacob Remy, a Natural born subject of the French King, hath taken the Oath of Allegiance before me. In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and caused the Colony Seal to be hereunto affixed. Dated in James City, Sept. the nine and twentieth, 1680, and in the two and thirtieth year of his Majesty’s Reign. He: Chichley.
Recorded: Octavo die Octobris, 1702. Pr: Ja: Westcomb
Civ. Comm. Westmoreland Co., Va.”
Copy by Deputy Clerk, Richmond Co., Va.
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Jacob Remy/Ramey and Mary's Children
1...William Remy Sr.
Born: 1672 Westmoreland County Va
Died: 1727 Va
Married: Catherine Asbury daughter of Henry Asbury and Mary Durrant
William was left one shilling by his father in his will.
William Remy Sr. Genealogy
2...Jacob Remy Jr.
born 1675 Westmoreland County Va.
Died: 1727 Virginia
Married: Ann Sanford 1699 Virginia:
This Jacob JR was left 200 acres of Land by his Father
Jacob Remy Jr. Genealogy
There were possibly other children but only these two were mentioned in his will.
Females were often left out of wills and especially census records.
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