Subj: Lott family in MD/VA
Date: 1/2/2000 11:00:28 AM Central Standard Time
From: epd@bellatlantic.net (Pat Dailey)
To: jbarron933@aol.com
I am descended from a Mary Evelyn Lott who married Samuel Wooddy in 1836. I have gathered the following information, but have been unable to make any connection. You have stated you were doing research on the VA Lott families. Did you every find anything on these people?
The earliest record is that of a Robert Lott giving his son, Robert, for apprenticeship in the Caroline Co., MD 1771.
I am trying to locate information on a family by the name of Lott who lived in Berkeley County, VA in 1780 to 1800. The 1787 and 1782 Census of Virginia lists Jesse. The Berkeley Co Tithable List of 1783 lists include Leonard and Robert. The VSLA database records that Robert Lott shot John Kennedy in 1789. In 1791 Robert Lott's orphans are being named in a guardian court action in Berkeley Co. The orphans, Mathew, Robert, Mary, Elizabeth and Hannah are not found anywhere. Could Hannah Lott have remarried and the children had their names changed? The Marriages Records of Berkeley Co list marriages between Richard Lott and Hannah Gassaway in 1780 and Garrett Lott and Sally Faulkner in 1853. After 1800 they disappear from Berkeley Co. (The Gassaway Genealogy states that it was Robert, born in Ann Arundel Co, MD, who married Hannah Gassaway, also born in Ann Arundel Co. in Berkeley Co., MD). My gggrandmother appears in her marriage in Loudoun Co in 1836, but her parents are not named yet Hannah Lott lived with Mary EvelynLott and her husband Samuel Wooddy until her death.
Did any of your VA research include anything on the above families?
Thank you very much for anything you can add.
Pat Dailey
Date: 1/2/2000
To: epd@bellatlantic.net
In a message dated 1/2/2000 11:00:28 AM Central Standard Time, epd@bellatlantic.net writes:
<< Did any of your VA research include anything on the above families? >>
Pat, I can take my Lotts back to John Lott in Birtie Co., NC, 1734. There are close associations between these Lotts and several families from the Virginia tidewater country, especially the Joyner family in Isle of Wight Co. There were Lotts in this area as early as 1654 and I suspect mine comes from them, but have no evidence.
I don't know of any connection between these southern Va folks and the ones found in northern Va, but certainly can't discount it. If you will check my web page you will see the thrust of research of our group the Lott Circle. Let me know how your research goes and I will do the same for you.
John Barron, Austin, TX
Date: 1/2/2000 8:04:26 PM Central Standard Time
From: ttellem@netins.net ( ttellem)
To: JBarron933@aol.com
John, I feel the John Lott is out of place here when all the others clearly say LETT. Thanks, Mel LETT
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From: <Sabromav@aol.com>
To: <ttellem@netins.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2000 11:34 PM
Subject: North Carolina LETT info
Got these from Jane Sharon at the reunion last summer in MO---and I stuck them in a folder and am just getting around to really studying them. Too bad, there is some interesting stuff in here. Pass this on to Kevin---and let's figure out which of these we already know who they are and where these pieces of land were.
Sherri
"The Granville District of North Carolina 1748-1763 abstracts of land grants Volume one" by Margaret M Hoffman
p56 Patent book Lord Granville to... 524 p 124 Robert Brinkley of Granville county 24 June 1748 200 acres in Edgecomb county on the east side of Conway creek, joining Brinkley's line. OR: /s/ Robt BRINKLEY wit: J BROKER, Edmd SMETHWICK, surveyed 2 MAr 1747 CC: Willliam GILBERT, James LETT, James _______ surveyor * OR stands for original records
p57 Lord Granville to... 535 p127 Eli BRINKLEY 25 MAr 1749 109 acres in Edgecombe county being the Plantation Brinkley settled. OR: /s/ (mark). Wit: John BRINKLEY, Robert BRINKLEY surveyed 10 Feb 1748/9 SCC: James LETT, Jos HANDCOCK, James CONNER surveyor for Edgecombe county. Plat reads "Pursuant to a warrant from Col Edwd MOSELY and Col Robt HALTON Comissioners for the Earl of Granville and directed to me...BRINKLEY
finding that less land would doe would have but 109 acres..."
p 60 Lord Granville to... 563 Robt BRINKLEY Wit: James CONNER, Rich BECTON surveyed 10 Feb 1748/9 SCC: Jos HANDCOCK, James LETT, James CONNER surveyor for Edgecomb county. Plat reads "Warrant being assigned to Robert BRINKLEY by John HANDCOCK..."
p68 Lord Granville to.... 650 p 153 David COOPER 30 June 1760 510 acres in Edgecomb county in the Parrish of St MAry on the s side of the Tarr River, joining the sd. river and the mouth of S. Wells Creek. OR: /s/ (mark). Wit: J MONTFORT, John LETT, surveyed 2 Sept 1756 SCC: Arthur WILLIAMS, Nahamiah PEARSON, Jno HAYWOOD surveyor?
p96 Lord Granville to... 937 p 233 John LOTT or John LETT 25 MAr 1749 200 acres in Edgecomb county in Edgecomb Parrish OR: (mark) Wit: James CONNER, Robt BRINKLEY, surveyed 10 Feb 1748/9 SCC: Joseph HANDCOCK, James LETT, James CONNER surveyor for Edgecomb county.
"Colony of North Carolina 1735-1764 Abstracts of land paptents Vol one" by Margaret M Hoffman.
Crown to .... p 25 354 p66 John BARNES 30 Aug 1753 64 acres in Anson county on the S side of the Cataba river nigh Thomas LETT
"The Granville District of North Carolina 1748-1763 Abstracts of Land Grants Volume two" by Margaret M Hoffman
p159 2803 p95 Lord Granville to... Daniel WELDON 13 Nov 1756 500 acres in Granville county in the Parrish of St John on both sides of Melton Creek. OR: /s/ Dand WELDON Wit : Tho LOWE, W CHURTON, entered 3 Nov 1750 surveyed 2 Nov 1751 SCC: Robert BRINKLEY, Jno LETT, W CHURTON D surveyor
p 165 2867 p 113 Robert BRINKLEY 12 Jan 1761 450 acres in Halifax county in the Parrish
of Edgecomb, joining Samuel WILLIAMS, Connaway Creek, Jno LETT, Brinkley's Corner, and Samuel HUCKABY OR:/s/ Robt BRINKLEY Wit: J MONTFORT, B McCULLOCH examined by Tho JONES and W CHURTON surveyed 12 Aug 1760 CC Wm GILBERT, Daniel PRINCE, Jos Jno WILLIAMS surveyor
Date: 1/3/2000
To: ttellem@netins.net
Mel, I don't know about the Anson or Granville Co. records, but I have dozens of records of John Lott of Birtie-Edgecombe-Dublin Co. and only Margaret Hoffman read any of them as Lett. I don't know what her problem was. I think if we go back and read the original grants and deeds they would be Lott.
These folks in Edgecombe Co. are my ancestors and are the same group who moved to St. George's Parish, Georgia c1762. I think the Lott/Lett confusion stems more from the misreading of records by abstractors than anything real.
John
Date: 1/3/2000 4:24:05 AM Central Standard Time
From: LOTT-D-request@rootsweb.com
To: LOTT-D@rootsweb.com
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 09:19:11 -0700
From: "Jean Dalrymple" <motherd@theriver.com>
To: LOTT-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: [LOTT-L] Nathan Lott & Dicey Watts
Hi Russell, thanks for the update on this line and the corrections... I haven't had a chance to check my cemetery records as of yet... have that silly bug that is going around so not really into gen this weekend..
Hope that you and yours are well, this bug is not nice.. :)
Jeannie
-----Original Message-----
From: Russell Lott [mailto:mikerowe@gmi.net]
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2000 12:59 PM
To: LOTT-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: [LOTT-L] Nathan Lott & Dicey Watts
Jean,
I saw your message to the LOTT-LIST earlier this month and have just now found the time to respond. It appears that you and I are researching the same lines stemming from the Nathan Lott who married Dicey Watts. I noticed a few small errors in the data you submitted and wanted to bring then to your attention. Possibly, you have already corrected some of them.
I clipped the relevant portion of your message to the list and pasted it below. I've included my comments in brackets following each of your entries.
Russell W. Lott
Senatobia, MS
In a message dated Tue, 7 Dec 1999 14:05:25 Central Standard Time,
Jean Dalrymple wrote:
Generation No. 5
5. NATHAN5 LOTT (ARTHUR4, JOHN3, JOHN2, JOHN1) was born Abt. 1781 in SC, and died 28 May 1845 in Covington Co., MS. He married DICEY WATTS Abt. 1800 in Telfair Co. GA, daughter of JOHN WATTS and JUDITH RAWLS. She was born 1781 in NC, and died Aft. 1860 in Covington Co., MS.
Notes for NATHAN LOTT:
Dicy and Nathan are bur in the Hickman-Lott cem in Stone Co., MS Absalom is the only child that I have on this family the rest are from Joseph and Daniel Lott.
[*** I far as I know Nathan and Dicey's exact burial location is not known. Reliable sources place them in the New Hope cemetery in Covington Co., MS. This is what Joe Lott told me back in the Spring of the year. However, when I visited that cemetery in July I was not able to locate their gravestones. What I did find was William Lott and Mary Bryant's graves, as I expected to, but I could not find Nathan and Dicey's. But here's the intriguing thing: just in front of William and Mary, in the oldest part of the cemetery, there are two graves with badly weathered and unreadable stones. I suspect that these are the graves of Nathan and Dicey, but that's only a hunch. I can say for sure that Nathan and Dicey Lott are not buried in the Lott-Hickman cemetery in the Big Level Community Stone Co. I visited that cemetery in December of 1998. Lott-Hickman is the burial location of Nathan's grandson Jesse William Lott and his wife Dicey Wiggins Lott. You may have inadvertently confused the two Dicey Lotts. ***]
Children of NATHAN LOTT and DICEY WATTS are:
6. i. ABSOLOM NATHAN6 LOTT, b. 22 June 1806, Ga.; d. 27 December 1886, Harrison Co., MS. (Stone co. now).
[*** Absolam was born February 28, 1806. This spelling and his birthdate are from his gravestone in the Jerry Bond-Lott cemetery in the Big Level Community of Stone Co. His wife Elizabeth Williamson was born June 22, 1809. ***]
ii. CATHERINE LOTT, b. Abt. 1801; d. 12 September 1884, Marion Co., MS.
iii. JESSE LOTT, b. 1803, Hinds Co., MS; m. ANN ELIZABETH NORRIS.
[*** I do not show a Jesse Lott as being a member of this family group. I particularly question a child in this family being born in MS during 1803. To my knowledge this family was still in GA until after 1812. ***]
iv. WILLIAM H. LOTT, b. 7 December 1804, Telfair Co., GA; d. 1 April 1863, Covington Co., MS; m. MARY JANE BRYANT, 20 November 1833, Covington Co., MS.
[*** I have William's date of death as October 3, 1886. This is from his gravestone in the New Hope Cemetery in Covington, Co. MS ***]
v. SARAH LOTT, b. 1811, GA; m. WILLIAM HINTON POWEL, Abt.1841.
vi. JUDITH LOTT, b. 30 May 1812, GA; d. 17 April 1879, MS;m. WILLIS WATTS,
February 1832.
Generation No. 6
6. ABSOLOM NATHAN6 LOTT (NATHAN5, ARTHUR4, JOHN3, JOHN2, JOHN1) was born 22 June 1806 in Ga., and died 27 December 1886 in Harrison Co., MS. (Stone co. now). He married ELIZABETH WILLIAMSON 1828 in Covington Co., MS. She was born 22 June 1809 in GA, and died 16 January 1887 in Harrison Co., MS. (Stone co. now).
Notes for ABSOLOM NATHAN LOTT:
The information on this gentleman and his descendants were given me by Gladys Rae LOTT Wood and Frankie Wylmouth LOTT Dalrymple. and the dates and burial are from Russell Lott of MS.
Joseph N. and Daniel H. Lott state that Absalom Nathan Lott was born Feb 28, 1805 in GA, the date that I have could be a baptism date....
Marriage Notes for ABSOLOM LOTT and ELIZABETH WILLIAMSON: All but 4 of the children of this marriage are from information from Joseph and Daniel Lott. (Elisha, Jesse, John and Francis)
Children of ABSOLOM LOTT and ELIZABETH WILLIAMSON are:
i. NANCY7 LOTT, b. 16 August 1829, MS; d. 21 December 1881, MS.; m. PETER L. HATTEN.
ii. NATHAN A. LOTT, b. 28 September 1832; d. 9 June 1889, Harrison Co., MS; m. ELIZABETH.
iii. JESSE W. LOTT, b. 8 May 1835, Harrison Co., MS; d. 8 February 1905, Harrison Co., MS; m. DICEY WIGGINS HATTEN, 17 August 1857, Harrison Co., MS; b. 1843; d. 1927, MS..
Notes for JESSE W. LOTT: he and wife are bur in the LOTT-HICKMAN cem in Stone county MS
iv. JOHN CALVIN LOTT, b. 11 November 1837, MS; d. 10 August 1909, Lamar Co., MS; m. NELLIE BOND, 17 October 1859, Harrison Co., MS.
v. FANNIE LOTT, b. 19 February 1840; d. 11 January 1907, Stone Co., MS; m. WILLIAM J. JOHNSON, 22 December 1880, Harrison Co., MS.
vi. MATILDA LOTT, b. 12 October 1842; d. 20 October 1922; m. JESSE BRELAND, 25 February 1880, Harrison Co., MS.
vii. ELIZA LOTT, b. 21 August 1845; d. 2 March 1899, big Level, Stone Co., MS; m. ELISHA BRELAND, 23 December 1872, Harrison Co., MS.
7. viii. FRANCIS WILLIAM LOTT, b. 26 January 1848, ,,MS; d. 29 July 1910, Stone Co., MS.
ix. ELISHA WILLIAM LOTT, b. 24 September 1850; d. 14 December 1904, Harrison Co., MS; m. CHRISTIANA BRELAND, 20 December 1873, Harrison County, MS.
x. MELISSA LOTT, b. 1851.
xi. LUCRETIA LOTT, b. 14 September 1855, Green Co., MS; d. 6 July 1886, Green Co., MS; m. JOSEPH BRELAND, 1 December 1876, Harrison Co., MS.
xii. CHARLES LOTT, b. 1859; m. (1) FRANCES; m. (2) LAURA WALKER, 7 October 1881, Caroll Co., MS.
[*** You list Melissa Lott b.1851 and Charles Lott b.1859 as children of Absalom and Elizabeth. I doubt that they were children of these two. They do not appear in any of the bible records I've collected from my family. A Melissa (Melissee?), age 19, is listed in Absalom's household in the 1870 census. I've always believed that this was the census taker's corruption for Lisha or Lishee (Elisha), who was still 19 at the time. Charles appears as a 21 year-old son in the 1880 census. I have a hunch that he is a grandson or other relation but not a son. Where was he in earlier censuses? If he was Elizabeth's son, then she would have been near 50 at his birth. Do you have anything else on this Charles?
***]
Date: 1/5/2000 11:59:39 AM Central Standard Time
From: BandB4951
To: JBarron933
John,
Maybe my brain is just going ditzy with so many different lines and names but I don't recall seeing a Lott JOYNER before as one of the children for John JOYNER and Elizabeth BROWN before. Have you seen it before? Is it possible that Elizabeth BROWN's mother and wife of John BROWN was named LOTT...possibly even Elizabeth LOTT.....of course, that's the broadest jump but do have any possibilities for siblings of John LOTT, husband of Elizabeth JOYNER? What does the time frame do for Aaron LOTT being a sibling of John LOTT and a sister LOTT? Don't have Aaron LOTT's date of birth here in front of me....he may have been generation ahead of them.....anyway.....this is probably old news with this man named Lott JOYNER and maybe I have seen it twenty times already but it just stood out and thought I'd better ask.
Thanks. Oh! and congratulations on daughter Lucy's newest assignment at the Library of Congress! How terrific! I know you must be very proud.
Bellinda
Date: 1/5/2000
To: BandB4951
I don't either, Bellinda, and I'm sure it would have made an impression if I had. It may not be as significant as it seems, however, since Lot is a first name that's not too uncommon.
John
From: "Jean Dalrymple" <motherd@theriver.com>
To: LOTT-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: [LOTT-L] corrections
Hi all, in ans to Russell and Joseph concerning my errors.... They are now corrected.... Thank you gentleman.....
BUT I do have a thing or two to say concerning Charles Lott as being the child of Ab . N. and Elizabeth Williamson... you say that she was to old to give birth... Sorry guys..... I disagree and am going to leave my records as is there.... You see, my grandmother was the big 50 when my Uncle John was born and 52 when the youngest, Eugene, was born.. AND I too could have done so.....
NOW... about this cemetery in Covington that has William & Mary Bryant planted... I am curious to know who that is there.. is it really Nathan and Dicey.... Does any one know if there are church records in that area that might shed some light on this subject? What church did they belong to?.... and where are they located, could we contact a member of the churches in that area and see where their church books are......
Jeannie
Date: 1/6/2000 8:35:14 PM Central Standard Time
From: stoii@juno.com
To: JBarron933@aol.com
Friend John , I found these notes from the Creek records I had may be they can help looking for records where warriors stand was but have not found them as yet. but here is what I copied from some where in those records.
Creek Agency April 6 1812 on the 126 ult. Thomas Meredith Sr. was killed on post Road at Kittome a creek 150 miles from this. Meredith was buried at Sam Macnac home and said it was a accident.
The lower and upper Creeks united there effort in having dealt out to the murderers of William Lott some called him Authur we come now to 1813 the year of actual strife.
Joe Davis
From: BandB4951@aol.com
To: LOTT-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: [LOTT-L] HARRIS - MAYO - JOYNER - ROBINS - LOTT - LAMKIN - LEWIS - UNDERWOOD - HATTE(O)N
I am looking to find out any information possible on some of my ancestral grandparents as follows:
my 6th great grandmother,
Ann HARRIS - MAYO who married Bridgeman JOYNER, my 6th great grandfather, born: 1655 in Isle of Wight County, VA, died: 1719 in Isle of Wight County, VA, son of
Thomas JOYNER, II/Jr., 7th great grandfather, born: 1619 in Bere Regis, Dorset, England, died: 1694 in Isle of Wight County, VA, and Elizabeth ROBINS, 7th great grandmother, parents: ??.
Thomas JOYNER, II/Jr., was the son of Thomas JOYNER, I/Sr., 8th great grandfather, born: 1595 in Bere Regis, Dorset, England, and died: 1656 in England.
I have no indication as to whom Ann HARRIS - MAYO's parents might be or where and when she was born. It is appears to most that she was HARRIS by birth and MAYO from a previous marriage.
The son of Bridgeman JOYNER and Ann HARRIS - MAYO was
John JOYNER, 6th great grandfather, born: 1619 in Nottaway Parish, Isle of Wight County, VA, and Elizabeth BROWN, 6th great grandmother, born: 1718 in VA, daughter of
John BROWN, 7th great grandfather, born: ?? and wife, ??
Elizabeth JOYNER, 5th great grandmother, born: 1724 in VA, daughter of
John JOYNER, and Elizabeth BROWN, 6th great grandparents.
Elizabeth JOYNER married John LOTT, 5th great grandfather, born: 1715-1720 in Edgecombe County, NC, died: Bef. 1810 in GA or MS, son of John LOTT, 6th great grandfather.
Elizabeth JOYNER and John LOTT had a son named
Absalom LOTT, born: abt. 1760, my 4th great grandfather, in abt. 1781 married my 4th great grandmother, Martha Jane Dorsey LIGHTFOOT, born: abt. 1763 possibly in Antigua or Virginia.
Their daughter who was named Frances Lucretia 'Patsy' LOTT, 3rd great grandmother, was born abt. 1800 and married William HATTEN, born: 1800 in NC, who, apparently, descends from
John HATTON one of the original and surviving settlers of Jamestown, VA through William HATTEN's father,
Lewis Lamkin HATTEN, 4th great grandfather, born: 1775, in Northumberland Co., VA, died: aft. 1833 in Greene Co., MS, and his wife was Sarah 'Sally' UNDERWOOD, 4th great grandmother, born: bef. 1785, died: bef. 1810 in Nash Co., NC,
daughter of Jacob UNDERWOOD, 5th great grandfather, born: ??, parents: ?? and Hannah CLARK, 5th great grandmother, born: ??, parents: ??, .
Lewis Lamkin HATTEN was the son of
Peter HATTEN, 5th great grandfather, born: bef. 1750 in VA, died: bef. August 11, 1778 in Tar River, Nash Co., NC, and Mary LAMKIN, 5th great grandmother, born: abt. 1773 in Northumberland Co., VA, daughter of
Lewis LAMKIN, 6th great grandmother, born: ??, parents: ?? and Mary LEWIS, 6th great grandmother, born: ??, parents: ??
The father of Martha Jane Dorsey LIGHTFOOT was named Phillip LIGHTFOOT, 5th great grandfather. It appears that her mother's name may have been Susannah ?, 5th great grandmother, born: ??, parents: ??
Sincerely, Bellinda Myrick Barnett
Date: 1/8/2000
To: BandB4951
CC: Lott Circle
In a message dated 1/6/2000 7:05:48 PM Central Standard Time, BandB4951 writes:
<< Someone just asked me a question that I remember seeing and know I must have in a file....but which one I don't know....so, could you please tell me which LOTT was scalped by Indians at the fort at Montgomery/Wheeling/Appling City, Georgia?
>>
I've seen this story too on Genforum (I think), Bellinda, but can't find it. Maybe someone can help.
John Barron
Date: 1/11/2000
To: R2296
CC: Lott Circle
In a message dated 1/10/2000 9:29:26 PM Central Standard Time, R2296 writes:
<< After reading this, I thought of a question that I have wanted to ask for a while. You always discuss the history and genealogy of the Lotts in the U.S., where did they come from before that? Are we Scottish, Irish, Welsh, British, French, etc.? Do we know? I'm sure a lot of people would like to know something about this. Thanks for your help. (I am referring to the Southern Lotts.) K. Young>>
Karen, I suspect there were Lotts in all the above plus Germany and the Netherlands and while I have no direct evidence of our Lott's country of origin, from the associations of the early family with families from the Virginia tidewater country (Joyner, Lightfoot, etc.) it seems clear that ours were of English origin. The northern Lott line was in the early Dutch settlements of New York-New Jersey and were apparently unrelated to the southern line.
My best guess is that the John Lott who embarked from Bristol England for America in the late 1600's was the immigrant ancestor of our line. It was about this time that the Lotts began to appear in the county records in the Jamestown area. Also, a much later but very telling item is the statement in the obituary of Rev. Elisha Lott (son of the Solomon b c1740) that Elisha's father was a member of the "High Church of England."
John Barron
Date: 1/11/2000 10:34:49 AM Central Standard Time
From: bethem@bellsouth.net (Elizabeth Hemingway)
To: JBarron933@aol.com
Has anyone ever heard that the name was originally spelled Lotz, that they were from Germany? My Lott line comes from the Lott's that stayed in SC. Some of my mother's family says the Lott's were from England, others say they were from Germany and the name was originally spelled Lotz. Does anyone know anything of this?
Beth
Date: 1/11/2000
To: bethem@bellsouth.net
Beth, I've heard all sorts of things like this, but have come to believe that they are all just speculative. The Lott family abounds with legends but, although prominent people, they didn't tend to leave many written records that documented family relationships.
We need to continue to locate and document real records and in this manner, hopefully, solve the puzzle of the origin of the family.
John
Date: 1/11/2000 4:08:46 PM Central Standard Time
From: mgdufresne@att.net
To: jbarron933@aol.com
Mr. Barron,
I recently visited your Web page and read many of the sections about the Lott family. I am just beginning my search for my Lott Family, and would be interested in any suggestions you could give me for where to begin.
All I know is that my g. grandfather's name was Sydney (Sidney) Giles Lott and he was born on a farm outside Douglas, Coffee County, Georgia. He has three sons (Willie, Alfa, and Oscar - my granddad) and two daughters (Birdie and Grace. His wife's name was Pearl Virginia, but I don't know her maiden name or where they were married.
I thank you for any assistance you may be able to provide.
-MaryGail Dufresne
Winter Park, FL
Date: 1/12/2000
To: mgdufresne@att.net
Marygail, I have routed your message to the Lott Circle. Your family is in our member Jessie Faulk's book "Lott Families of Wiregrass Georgia" and I can send you the listing if you like. I would suggest, however, that you consider purchasing this book as it is highly helpful to descendants of the Lotts who stayed in Georgia.
John Barron
Date: 1/12/2000 4:27:07 PM Central Standard Time
From: fieroowners@earthlink.net (phil huff)
To: JBarron933@aol.com
Hi John
Hope everything is going along just swell in TX. My comment to Dan is that I think he gets the vote for finding the oldest root in our family tree.
But seriously, I get more confused every time I read something connected with our Lotts. I know that I'm a newcomer to the root cellar but I'm by no means unskilled or unprepared for the unknown.
I'm a social psychologist and maybe sometimes I look at things a little differently than some people would, have or could. Sometimes I like to imagine things in an orderly fashion in relationships as to track things. Then I stop and visualize what I'm trying to conceive and I get to laugh at my self. Because in theory my idea works, in reality it would be hilarious. Oh well, the kid in me would have a good laugh anyway.
Here's some questions that puzzle me.
My family (from my father Hugh, Wiley, Joel, Daniel, Mark, John Jr, John Sr., John) Lott appears well talked about in research circles. They are not unknown. However there is lots of discussions concerning the finite details. There are several published accounts of our lineage. Some venture to say that we are this or that. But when I bought an expensive book and it openly stated that the Lotts were of Russian descent, I had to stop for a while. Mind you I would never be ashamed of my heritage, how could you be, when it is something over which we had no control. However, I do wonder how my now deceased parents would have felt?
All my life I was told by my aunts and uncles that we were sort of the old Dukes mixture type. You know the nondescript WASP. No one ever voiced too many specifics except to say that we were Scotch, English, Irish and possibly a little Dutch. Nothing much really to go on except family stories, skin and eye coloration. Well I guess most of my Lott family fit that. But, if I were to look around probably a good percentage of the population fits in. It would sure make our jobs easier today if we could let our imagination run wild and assign a particular color to each country of origin. You know like blue people came from here and yellow people came from here. Well...come to think about it I guess it really wouldn't seem too great of an idea after all. We would really have some strange color mixtures out there. Gee we might look like a color wheel. I guess that is just my imagination running a fowl.
I guess I was just wondering if you had any thoughts on all these wild a***guesses that people seem to expand upon. I know that I read in one book that someone traveled to Russia and confirmed that there were Lott families there. But, I think if you look around we probably could find Lott families in every country.
Either way, be sure to tell Dan that he gets the prize for the oldest proof of Lott families. Keep up the good work. Wish there were ways that I could help.
Thanks for keeping me informed. gloria
Date: 1/12/2000 4:45:42 PM Central Standard Time
From: fieroowners@earthlink.net (phil huff)
To: JBarron933@aol.com
John: Finally maybe this will help. If this person wishes to contact me I found her Sidney Jiles Lott (Jessie Jackson, Mark Jr, Mark, John Jr. John Sr., John Lott) Born 1879 in Coffee Co, GA Died 21 Oct 1937. Married Pearl Virginea Beatty. Born 31 Aug, 1888 Died 5 Feb 1975 Children Alta, Willie, Pearl Virginia (Virdie), Grace Elizabeth, Oscar Calvin.
Hope this helps. From the Paulk book. gloria
Date: 1/13/2000
To: bethem@bellsouth.net
CC: Lott Circle
In a message dated 1/12/2000 12:19:24 PM Central Standard Time, bethem@bellsouth.net writes:
<< I have a question for you or anyone else that may be able to answer. I have received 64 pages of information that comes from a book with the Lott family "Pioneers of Wiregrass GA". Do you know how accurate that information is? There is some that conflicts with what you have and other information I have gotten, but most agress with you. As I have stated before, my line comes directly from those that remained in SC, so this will branch to other families out. If you or anyone is interested in what I have gathered on my SC line. The great majority of it can be proven and is documented, some is information I can't prove just yet. Thanks for any help or advice I can get.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Beth, there are two works with similar names which need to be better identified:
1) a series of general lineages c1960 by Judge Folks Huxford entitled "Pioneers of Wiregrass GA" as you show above, and
2) Jessie Paulk's book "Lott Families of Wiregrass GA" 1991.
I have no problem with Jessie's book, but the earlier work by Huxford is not to be trusted for anything prior to the children of Mark Lott (the eldest). Indeed, I think he has done a great disservice to later researchers by his speculations concerning early generations and in particular that the Lotts were in South Carolina during the Rev. War when there are records to show that the family actually leaned more toward the British side and was in the Tory stronghold of West Florida during the war. These speculations were taken for fact by the majority of the Lott descendants and thanks to the DAR accepting them, can probably never be expunged from the literature or corrected.
John Barron
Date: 1/13/2000 11:29:25 AM Central Standard Time
From: tomjax@worldnet.att.net (Tom B. Atkinson)
To: JBarron933@aol.com
The problem with Huxford and Paulks book is inherent in all endeavors. I understand the Judge got a lot of his info by riding around, stopping, and talking to people with varying levels of accuracy and reliability. Much of Jessee Paulks book is the compilation of others works and memories. It is only as accurate as the info provided.
I have corresponded with Jessie and I think he would agree with this. Disclaimers are all over the place in all works. I can only attest with a high degree of confidence to my line in his book which is the descendants of Frances Fannie Lott(1865-1922) and Thomas J Byrd. The line is full of errors- major ones. he point is that his and other works are valuable in that many people can look at it and assist in correcting errors.
The problem is that the author can get feedback and make corrections, but unless there are revised editions the incorrect data will continue in anyone relying on the original edition. One suggestion is the hope that an author would be willing to send updated info on a line to anyone contacting him/her or posting it to a proper forum.
This is the value of forums such as Barron. Those needing info on a particular line can make inquiries and it can be answered by someone with better information. The idea is to refine our info in our lines and help those interested in the info. Of course, nothing should be taken as gospel without verifying info.
We should all have thick skins and not be offended when our info is challenged. It is all based on human information- some good- some bad, but very rarely ill intentioned.
Just my opinion- I could be wrong
tom b atkinson
Date: 1/13/2000 8:42:18 PM Central Standard Time
From: bethem@bellsouth.net (Elizabeth Hemingway)
To: JBarron933@aol.com
CC: Lott Circle
Agreed! I guess you have to go somewhere in the middle with things like this. I do have the
information from Emsley Lott on down, most of it verified; if anyone would like to have it. I am
very willing to share what I have found and dug up here in SC. I hope someone else out there has
worked on the Lott's that stayed here and give me some help on the ones I am stuck on!! Let me know who would like the SC Lott line I have.
Beth
Date: 1/13/2000
To: bethem@bellsouth.net
Yes indeed. I'll route it to the group and/or post it on the web page if you wish. There are several in the group that share your line. Have you checked my paper "Colonial Lott Family" on my web page. I discussed the Jesse and Mark in Edgefield Co., SC, and feel sure that they are sons of John1 of my chart. One of them (Jesse I think) the ancestor of your Emsley.
John
Date: 1/14/2000 3:33:15 PM Central Standard Time
From: JLott1224
To: JBarron933
John , this in reference to John Huff's e/mail. Phil may want to know that every fourth sunday in April there is a reunion of the descendeents of Joel Lott and his wife Beadie Vickers Lott. The reunion is at the Hebron Baptist church a few miles outside Douglas, Georgia. If he will contact me I can fill him in on the details. Thanks, Jim Lott
Date: 1/15/2000
To: bethem@bellsouth.net
In a message dated 1/14/2000 10:09:33 AM Central Standard Time, bethem@bellsouth.net writes:
<< My GEDCOM is attached. >>
Very impressive work. I loaded it into my old version of FTM, but decided to try using my main program which is The Master Genealogist. Worked pretty good with only a few strange notes and one tag it couldn't handle. I'll let you know more as I look at it closer.
John
Date: 1/16/2000
To: jnorris157@earthlink.net
In a message dated 1/16/2000 3:17:30 AM Central Standard Time, jnorris157@earthlink.net writes:
<< am working on the Norris Family History. I am trying to verify what I have. Would you let me know if any of this is correct. Thomas S Norris married to Barbara Lott. >>
This is what I have in my records too, but don't have their children. She was the daughter of Philip Lott and Mary Wiggins.
I would suggest that you contact John E. Norris at jenorris@netdoor.com who may can give you more information.
John Barron, Austin, TX
Date: 1/16/2000 2:45:05 PM Central Standard Time
From: JONESWS
To: JBarron933
In Volume Six, 1999 of the CONFEDERATE VETERAN, the Official Journal of the Sons of Confederate Veterans and Military Order of the Stars and Bars, appears a list of volunteers in the service of the Confederate States and in the State of Mississippi as returned by the Commissioners of Covington County in Feb. 1864.
The authors of the article are Henry A. and Mary Kay Hudson, and the authors used the abbreviations and spellings as they were recorded in the Police Court Record even though obvious errors were made by the Clerk of the Court as the data was entered into record. The book containing this data was found in the Covington County Courthouse in Coffins, Mississippi in 1988 while the author was conducting family research. These records are missing from the National Archives according to the Author.
I will only list the name of the many Lott men who are on the list. If you wish to view the entire list, you will have to obtain a copy of the Confederate Vetreran.
BEAT NO. 1
Covington Fencibles - H. R. McLaurin Capt
W J Lott
Cost (Coast) Guards, J M Norman Capt*
Calvin Lott
J L Lott
BEAT NO. 2
Capt A J Leggets Company
G F Lott
A Lott
Capt McLaurins Co
J B Lott
Willis LottWin Lott
Capt Stephens Co
Win Lott
Capt McGills Co 1st Ala Bat
R Lott
Capt Magees 46th Regt
Aether Lott*
Thos Lott
Cullen Lott
A Lott
BEAT NO 3
Capt J T Fairly 7 Regt
A Lott
I certify the above to be a true record
C M Edmonson Clerk
Author states that best readings possible are marked with an "*" and these names should be compared to 1860 census records as may be necessary.
I hope these names will help those searching for military records on their family.
Bill Jones
Date: 1/17/2000 9:42:35 AM Central Standard Time
From: ttellem@netins.net ( ttellem)
To: JBarron933@aol.com
Lott,Arthur mar Williams,Martha 07 Aug 1831
Lott,Arthur mar Triplet,Mary 03 Apr 1812
JEFFERSON COUNTY GEORGIA
JEFFERSON COUNTY GEORGIA
When did your Arthur get killed by the Indians?Thanks, Mel LETT
Date: 1/17/2000
To: ttellem@netins.net
My Arthur was killed in the spring of 1812 (don't have the date in front of me now). I had thought at one time that the marriage of the Arthur Lott to Mary Triplett in 1812 may have been to his son Arthur, but I've since found that is probably not the case since an Arthur Lott was living in Jefferson Co., GA, 1815-20 while my Arthur had gone to Miss.
John
Date: 1/18/2000 7:52:18 AM Central Standard Time
From: jenorris@netdoor.com (John E. Norris)
To: jbarron933@aol.com
Mr. Barron--
Having trouble with children as listed on the two wills of John Lott, also, why did he make two separate wills at the same date? There are no mention of Mark. There is a John Lott rev. soldier and John Lott jr. in Ga. that several claim to be the grave of John who md. Sally and their son.
Sincerely John E. Norris
Date: 1/18/2000
To: jenorris@netdoor.com
There are two sets [of children] with some duplication of names. In the will and probate from 1808 of the elder John's children (all grown) are: Elizabeth, John, Robert, Jesse, and Luke. In the deed of gift from 1807 of the younger John's children (all minors) are: Elizabeth, Arthur, John, Robert, Jesse Fannie, and Sarah.
**********
If you will check the actual wording of the documents closely you will see that there were not two wills. The 1807 actions concerned a DEED OF GIFT between a younger John Lott and his minor children. The 1808 legal actions were a WILL and some probate activity between an older John Lott and his adult children. You can see the complete text of these as well as my endnotes if you will click on the following: http://hometown.aol.com/jbarron933/LottF/LottWashMSDeeds.htm
I don't know why the older John left son Mark out of his will perhaps he had already received his share. You see this sort of thing many time in dealing with wills and we seldom know why. I've been told that Mark did not move to Miss. with the others because of illness. I try to ignore "been tolds" and concentrate on real evidence, however. Mark did die shortly after this time too. Also, if you note the items in the will they are rather minor in value: one slave, some stock, and household furniture. I discuss this in my endnotes.
I have also "been told" about the graves and wife Sally in Georgia, but no one can produce evidence of them. All we supposedly know about them is from the DAR application of Frances Blitch which I believe is mostly bogus.
John Barron
Date: 1/18/2000 12:35:10 PM Central Standard Time
From: jenorris@netdoor.com (John E. Norris)
To: jbarron933@aol.com
Mr. Barron--
I see where I made my mistake, thought that both wills were wrote by the 1 John.
This clears up that point.
I agree, the dar records are not any help in settling the where-abouts of John.
Been tolds do not help any but as I understand John was the one who was supposed to have came to Ms. and obtained land for the rest of the family. There again NO PROOF.
Now, I had a lady write me and state that a Thomas Henderson named his daughter in his will which was dated 1792, her name Judy Watts. I know there are several names given as hers, but Judith and John Watts oldest son was named Thomas Henderson Watts.
Am looking for proof........
Sincerely John E. Norris
Date: 1/19/2000
To: jenorris@netdoor.com
John, I used to think both documents were written by the same man too until I saw the full texts of them. I had been sent a transcription of them some years ago which combined the list of children into one and made it appear as if they were all in the same family.
I'd like to hear the answer to this one too as Thomas Watts is my ancestor. I've seen people refer to him with the middle initial "H" but have never seen this used in an official record of him. Do you know where the will was recorded?
John
Date: 1/19/2000 10:31:52 AM Central Standard Time
From: hmc@zebra.net (William M. Thomas)
To: JBarron933@aol.com
John;
With the file I sent you, you know as much as I do about Jesse. I will have to go through my notebooks to find the census records for his sons which will take some time. Unfortunately, Jesse died of Yellow Fever in 1843. Several of his children lived beyond 1880. If I can't find what I'm looking for in my notebooks I shall take a trip down to Mobile and check the census records and let you know. Just don't hold your breath because I hate to see blue faces, but I will get to it as time permits.
I think it is interesting that the Denmark family came to the Mississippi Territory from Georgia, though they had moved to Georgia from SC. Although there is some dispute about Jesse's first wife (my cousin b.1909 was taught she was Isabelle Denmark, but others think she was the older sister of the 2nd wife, but don't know her name. I go with Isabelle Denmark since a couple of the grandchildren were given the name of Isabelle, including one whose father was a Denmark) I think probably was a Denmark, Jesse's daughter married Bryant Denmark and he settled in roughly the same area that the Denmarks did. I have no way of knowing when they settled or if they knew of the families back in Georgia.
Bill
Date: 1/19/2000
To: hmc@zebra.net
Thanks, Bill, I got them in the mail yesterday. It'll be a big help. You do know that the origin of this Jesse is disputed and some have claimed that he was from the SC group. I think you are correct about his ancestry, however, and that he is a part of the Georgia Lotts. I would like to confirm this some way, however. Do you have any evidence of his birth place other than family history? Did any of his children live long enough to be listed in the 1880 census since this asks about the birthplace of the father and mother?
John
Date: 1/19/2000
To: bethem@bellsouth.net
CC: Lott Circle
In a message dated 1/18/2000 2:33:30 PM Central Standard Time, bethem@bellsouth.net writes:
<< Is there still a Lott newsletter that is put out? If so, can you give me some information; where to subscribe >>
Beth, the Lott Family Newsletter was published by Carroll McElligott back in the '80s. There were 6 volumes of it and I have all of them, however, it is no longer in publication. There was another newsletter called Lott Lineages that was put out by Sally Williams in California in the early '90s. I have most of these, but am not sure if it still comes out.
John
Date: 1/19/2000
To: bethem@bellsouth.net
In a message dated 1/18/2000 2:33:30 PM Central Standard Time, bethem@bellsouth.net writes:
<< BTW, how are you coming with looking at my file? >>
Beth, I'd like to put it on my web page if you don't mind. Can you do a descendant chart starting with your earliest Lott ancestor? My gedcom conversion to FTM did not pick up the documentation properly and TMG did not completely translate it.
I can see that you are an advanced genealogist, but like many of us you do need to pay more attention to recording your sources. I would like to call your attention to a genealogical program by Whollygenes that will almost force you to do this and guide you through it. It is The Master Genealogist. It is far superior to Family Tree Maker which to my eye is mostly window dressing: as my father would say "A mile wide and an inch deep."
Take a look at it at the following: Whollygenes
On my webpage is a paper concerning the early Lott family in which I discuss the connection between John Lott of Edgecombe Co., NC, and your SC Lotts. What are your comments on my conclusions? I make some age estimates of Jesse Lott which differ a good bit from yours. What evidence do you base your age estimate on?
John
Date: 1/19/2000
To: ttellem@netins.net
CC: Lott Circle
In a message dated 1/19/2000 9:48:57 AM Central Standard Time, ttellem@netins.net writes:
<< does Sally have an e address?why don`t you send out the old issues John,& we can gauge how much progress has been made on determining these families of ours, >>
To my knowledge Sally Williams who edited "Lott Lineages" does not have an e-mail address. Her mailing address as of 1997 was as follows:
P.O. Box 1035 No. Highlands, CA 95660
As to old issues of "Lott Family Newsletter" these are available in some large genealogy libraries. However, this is copyrighted material and I am not at liberty to do what you suggest. I have referenced information from many articles from the newsletter in various materials that I have prepared which, of course, is permitted.
John
Date: 1/19/2000 11:47:39 AM Central Standard Time
From: bethem@bellsouth.net (Elizabeth Hemingway)
To: JBarron933@aol.com (John Barron)
Here is the chart, starting with John Lott. Please let me know when you have it posted to the website, so I can see it. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask. Also, as I said before, if anyone sees anything that is inaccurate or just plain wrong, please do let me know. I have ALL of the census records, obits, copies of wills, etc; that I list as sources. I am still trying to locate obits and other things, of course. How should I let you know when I have more information or something needs to be updated? I also have names and some obits of Lott family members that I have been unable to connect to anyone yet. Thank you for all your help. You and your list and website have been a wonderful find!!!
Beth
Date: 1/19/2000 4:29:51 PM Central Standard Time
From: hmc@zebra.net (William M. Thomas)
To: JBarron933@aol.com
John;
I have scheduled myself to go to Mobile tomorrow to do further checking, but this I found in my notes:
Luke B. Lott b.3-15-1805 GA - 1860 Census Clark Co., MS
Berry "Little Berry" Lott b.1-5-1808 AL
So far this is consistent with your data.
I will say this, I think that when people object to data they are obligated to prove it is wrong. A case of put up or shut up. Shooting from the lip can be too irresponsible and shouldn't be given God's Holy Word!
Bill
Date: 1/19/2000 9:33:26 PM Central Standard Time
From: geneanut@hotmail.com (Stacy Bernal)
To: jbarron933@aol.com
Dear John: Could you please forward the following letter to the Lott group? I tried, but for some reason I keep getting a permanent fatal error, and I can't figure out why the system won't let me send it out to everyone. I guess I'm too knew at the computer game to figure it out - computer illiterate. I would really appreciate it. Stacy.
______________________________________________________________________
Dear Lott Group:
My name is Stacy B. and you've probably seen my e-mail address in the group list as geneanut@hotmail.com. I am a Lott descendent without a family; let me explain.
My mother was born Jacklyn Louise Lott on March 14, 1944 in St. Augustine, Florida. Her parents were JACK BENNETT LOTT and Dorothy Clark.
Jack and my grandmother met in San Antonio, Texas when he was stationed at Fort Sam Houston (Army) ca 1941-2. They were married in San Antonio ca 1942-3, and moved to St. Augustine where my mother came along a short time later. I have an address of "3 Rhodes, St. Augustine, Florida".
In 1947 my grandmother traveled back to Texas for a time, without Jack, then went back to Florida, and they were divorced. My grandmother moved back to Texas with 2 children from her first marriage, and my mother who was about 3 at the time. My mother hasn't seen her father since.
My grandmother remarried and her husband was the only father my mother knew. He has been "Daddy" and "Papa" to grandma's kids and grandkids.
My mother didn't know that her "Daddy" wasn't her real father until she was 18; she obtained her birth certificate in order to get married and saw the name. I didn't know until I was 15.
All we know about Jack Bennett Lott is that we was a few years younger than my grandmother, born ca 1918-20 in Georgia. His mother was reportedly full-blood indian - very short with little feet. Jack had black hair and blue eyes, and was nicknamed "blacky" due to his hair color.
We've been told that he didn't have any brothers, only sisters, and one was named Peggy. My mother's half-sister said that they lived with Peggy for a short time in either St. Augustine, Florida or Jacksonville, Florida.
Jack was a plumber in the Army and may have made that his trade after his discharge. His last known whereabouts was Talahassee, Florida.
My mother and I are trying to find Jack. My mother is sort of alone now, as her mother passed away in 1990, her half-brother passed away in 1991 (aged 51), and her half-sister passed away a few weeks ago (aged 57). The man she knew as her father now lives in New Mexico with his wife, so my mother doesn't see him very often.
My mother also has a health condition which she has been told is hereditary, but no one on her mother's side has ever had this condition. She feels it must come from her father's side, but she knows nothing about the family.
I have talked to so many people, have written to every Jack Lott I could find listed in Florida, but have had no luck. I just find it hard to believe that there are so many Lotts living in Georgia and Florida, all related whether closely or distantly, and no one knows of this branch of the family.
I have left messages on any geneology forum I could find, but have had no luck.
I have enjoyed learning about the southern Lott family from the immigrant down, and feel that these are our ancestors. But I don't know which branch, past the immigrant himself, is mine. I find all the Lott stories and information interesting, but right now none of the info really means much to me, because I don't know where I fit in.
My mother and I want to find Jack desperately. She really needs the health background, and I need the genealogy. We both would be interested in some contact, but will respect Jack or his family's wishes if they do not want the same. However, we still need the health and genealogical information either way.
I feel like it couldn't be too difficult to find a connection somewhere, as Jack's middle name is not a normal or common middle name. I feel Bennett must have been another family name, perhaps his mother's maiden name, or paternal grandmother's maiden name, etc.
Does anyone out there know anything about this family? Please, I need help. I know I'm a Lott, but I don't know where I belong. If any of you know ANYTHING or are in Georgia or Florida where you can research a little for me, I would be most appreciative. I know this e-mail is long, but I appreciate everyone's time and listening ear.
Thank you... a displaced cousin -
Stacy.
Date: 1/20/2000 12:38:23 PM Central Standard Time
From: hmc@zebra.net (William M. Thomas)
To: JBarron933@aol.com
John;
I found the following:
Gonzales Co., Texas, 1880 Census
Lott, Benjamin 57 Farmer AL GA GA
Mobile Co., AL 1900 Census
Lott, Thomas A. 10-1839 AL GA GA
Although some of the others are supposed to have lived longer than 1900 I couldn't find them so they might have been living with a child or just missed the census.
I hope this is what you are looking for.
Bill
Date: 1/20/2000
To: jb_texian@yahoo.com
John, if you will check the 1880 census listing for Joshua Lott, you will see something very interesting and amusing. For the relationship of Joshua it says "Grandpa". Not sure if he was still living with the Browns, however.
I moderate a group of 100+ on-line researchers who study the southern Lotts. I invite you to join our group. Some share your line. You can check out some of our work on my web page at: John Barron's Home Page
John Barron, Austin, Tx
Date: 1/21/2000
To: fieroowners@earthlink.net
CC: Lott Circle
In a message dated 1/19/2000 2:38:50 PM Central Standard Time, fieroowners@earthlink.net writes:
<< I would like to try to trace down copies too. Oh maybe we could start another one. >>
Gloria, The Lott Family Newsletter was published by Carroll Ainsworth McElligott. The last address I have for her (April, 1985) was as follows:
Carroll Ainsworth Enterprises
Route 1, Box 103
Harleyville, SC 29448
I think we have started our own newsletter, however.
John
Date: 1/21/2000 9:16:03 AM Central Standard Time
From: hmc@zebra.net (William M. Thomas)
To: JBarron933@aol.com
John;
I forgot to tell you this, and I probably wouldn't have thought of it again had not someone objected to Jesse, but one of the first things I was told by one of the oldest living Lotts at the time who is not deceased, was that Jesse's brother, Robert, who lived in Marion County, MS, was murdered by the James Copeland gang. NOW, if Robert is acceptable, as far as I'm concerned, then Jesse is acceptable. I can't remember if he mentioned Luke or not because of Luke being a common name in Jesse's descendants.
Just a thought in passing.
Bill
Date: 1/21/2000
To: hmc@zebra.net
Yes indeed Bill, thanks. I didn't realize that the Benjamin in Texas was Jesse's son. Do you know about the Thomas P. C. Lott and John Lott who were in Sumpter Co., AL, c1840-50? Both came to Texas by 1860.
John
Date: 1/21/2000
To: hmc@zebra.net
I agree. This is independent corroboration and with the rest nails it for me. I will change my data base to reflect it.
Thank you so much,
John Barron
Date: 1/21/2000
To: bethem@bellsouth.net
In a message dated 1/21/2000 11:04:24 AM Central Standard Time, bethem@bellsouth.net writes:
<< Who is this Jesse Lott that I just read about? I don't believe I have this one >>
Beth, this Jesse is identified in the will from Washington Co., MS Terr in 1808. He is the older Jesse and the son of John 3 (b 1742) from my list. He lived in Mobile Co., AL 1810-39. Bill Thomas convinced me that he was the one.
John
Date: 1/21/2000 11:46:54 AM Central Standard Time
From: jenorris@netdoor.com (John E. Norris)
To: jbarron933@aol.com
Mr. Barron-
Thomas Henderson's will was probated in 1792. The lady said it was in Jenkinsville S.C. I have not found a Jenkinsville in S.C. it may no longer exist or be named different now. Wonder if may be in North Ga.
She also said the will was listed in the Richard Winn or Webb Chapter of Daughters of Revolution, which means someone has submitted Thomas Henderson as a rev. war veteran.
This lady Mrs. Motley, is also a descendent as we are. She said when she found this info it did not register therefore she only has a note about it.
Sincerely John E. Norris
Date: 1/21/2000 4:34:11 PM Central Standard Time
From: hmc@zebra.net (William M. Thomas)
To: JBarron933@aol.com
John;
I haven't a clue to who those other Lotts are that went to Texas. However, Benjamin F. Lott had a brother, William Lott b.6-5-1826 who went to Texas with him. They both fought in the Mexican War and then they both fought in the Civil War. I tried to find William in the 1880 census but didn't, even though he lived until 1904. They were both supposed to be in Gonzales, Co., TX. Unfortunately, the library in Mobile doesn't have a complete census record for Texas. I guess a library spends its money where most of the people live that use the genealogy library, such as surrounding counties of Alabama.
I believe the grandson of Jesse, Robert Lott, who was killed when a bridge fell on him was returning from Texas. It wasn't clear but I think they had taken shelter under the bridge when it collapsed on them and Robert was killed. The Lotts are an interesting family, I'm just sorry that my cousin didn't live long enough to know about your files.
Bill
Date: 1/22/2000 7:55:37 PM Central Standard Time
From: dflott@telepak.net (Dan Lott)
To: JBarron933@aol.com
CC: Joe@lottfamily.com
John,
In response to the discussion of Jesse Lott (Mobile): I have found his will in the Mobile County Courthouse. It had been misfiled. The historian there said it hasn't been touched since it was probated in 1843.
I also have his estate valuation made by William C. Denmark and Jonathan C. Williams.
Please put this will on the Lott webpage.
Dan Lott
Date: 1/22/2000 8:00:00 PM Central Standard Time
From: geneanut@hotmail.com (Stacy Bernal)
To: jbarron933@aol.com
CC: hmc@zebra.net
Dear John and Bill:
I was in Gonzales last Monday researching Turner and Wade families, and there is information on the Benjamin Lott family in the Gonzales County Records Center & Archives.
I glanced over the info very quickly, as my Lotts are from Georgia and from what I know, only one member of our family came to Texas due to enlistment in the Army. He went back to Florida after his stint at Fort Sam Houston.
The manager of the archives is named Pat. She's extremely helpful and really nice to work with. They have biographical files, photo files, county history books on the town families, etc. They also have the marriage records (I KNOW for a fact some of the Lotts were in it - an old book about 11 X 18, each entry beautifully hand-written), and the original marriage licenses to go along with them! I can't remember what all I saw on the Lotts, but it might be worth someone's time to drive over to check it out.
They are open Monday thru Friday, 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. They have a web-site and they receive e-mail. Copies are 50 cents per page (if they copy one sheet double-sided, it's still only 50 cents).
Don't know what y'all are looking for specifically, but I hope this info helps.
Stacy.
Date: 1/23/2000
To: jenorris@netdoor.com
In a message dated 1/23/2000 7:54:09 PM Central Standard Time, jenorris@netdoor.com writes:
<< The arthur Lott in the Will of John Lott is not the Arthur Lott who was killed by indians, am I correct. >>
John, there was no Arthur listed in the will of John Lott. He was in the deed of gift of John Jr. to his minor children in 1807. The Arthur Lott that was killed by the Indians in 1812 was born about 1750.
None of the other families that I work on seem to have this problem where every married couple repeated the same set of name for the kids. It's a wonder we have made any progress with them, isn't it.
John I think the Arthur in the deed of gift was the one that married Harriet Wheddon in 1831 and died in Texas about 1848. Does this ring a bell with you?
John
Date: 1/25/2000 12:36:11 PM Central Standard Time
From: jenorris@netdoor.com (John E. Norris)
To: jbarron933@aol.com
John
There is a Thomas Henderson will probated 1794 in Union co. S.C. may be the one we need. Wanted to pass this on to you because with working I am limited and felt you might have a better chance of finding this.
Sincerely John E. Norris
Date: 1/25/2000 6:13:26 PM Central Standard Time
From: ttellem@netins.net ( ttellem)
--------------------
Aaron Lott's Last Will
No changes have been made regarding spelling, punctuation, etc.
I, AARON LOTT of the county of Carroll and State of Mississippi do make this my last will and testament, viz;
Having given to my Sons JAMES E. LOTT, BENJAMIN J. LOTT and AARON G. LOTT a portion of my Estate, viz; of land, negroes and Stock. I desire now that my Son JOHN WILLIAM LOTT, and my daughter MARGARET A. LOTT Shall have Set apart to them by Commissioners to be selected by my executor Three hundred and fifty acres of land each and as nearly as posible of equal value; and to JOHN WILLIAM I give and bequeath the following named slaves, to wit: Jese(?), Bill and Green & to MARGARET A. LOTT the following, viz; Sophie, Abram, and Mollie and the Infant Hannah. And also the sum of one hundred and fifty dollars; in gold when ever that can be procured or in lieu of the gold, Such a horse as She may select, now on the place, of the Value of One hundred and fifty dollars, and all the ballance of my Estate both real and personal; After the payment of my Just debts, I will and bequeath to my beloved Wife MARGARET, to hold and use during her natural life in such way as She may desire without any restriction whatever and at her death, that it Shall be divided among all my Children above named as heirs equally.
And I do appoint my son JAMES E. LOTT executor of this my will and it is my will further that he qualify as executor Without bond. In testimony Whereof I Submit My name & Seal
A. LOTT (Seal)
Done this 24th day of April A.D. 1862
In the presence of
W.W.Liddell, W. M. Stansberry, Mary E. Morris
- Proof -
Carroll Probate Court August Term 1862. Application to Probate the last will of AARON LOTT Deceased.
W. M. Stansberry, W. W. Liddell and Mary E. Morris, the Subscribing Witnesses this day appeared in open Court and being first duly Sworn depose and Say that they were present and saw Aaron Lott Sign the paper exhibited to the Court purporting to be his last will and testament that they each at the request of the testator Signed the same as Witnesses and that for the purpose they went into an adjoining room to do so as there was no table.
Date: 1/28/2000
To: lbarron@fas.harvard.edu
In a message dated 1/28/2000 8:38:33 AM Central Standard Time, lbarron@fas.harvard.edu writes:
<< Wow, this is a great find. Does it answer any questions on Jesse's family? Is the Elisha LOTT the one in Texas? >>
He only named those from his second wife in the will. However, a fellow just sent me a copy of his bible and it's got all of them in it. No, Elisha Lott of Smith Co. was the son of John of Harrison Co.
Date: 1/28/2000
To: Lott Circle
I am in the process of adding Lott material to my web page. Elizabeth Hemingway has compiled a large amount of work on the line of Jesse Lott of Edgefield Co., SC. She believes, like I do, that he is a son of John Lott. This is in the descendant section of the Lott Page.
She would like to receive any comments, changes, or corrections. Her e-mail is bethem@bellsouth.net.
John Barron
Date: 1/29/2000
To: mrader@lucernevalley.net
Martha, according to Vince Herrin of our group Catharine had two illegitimate children by Joshua Lott, but they were never married. I don't have anything in the way of evidence to support either contention. I did route your message to the group and hopefully it will raise a debate on the subject.
Vince also said that he and some others are just about finished with a book on the family of Nathan and Dicy. This was several months ago, however, it it may be done now.
John
Date: 1/29/2000
To: rsmith@web-access.net
In a message dated 1/29/2000 12:46:55 PM Central Standard Time, rsmith@web-access.net writes:
<< Is this Jesse the son of John Calvin Lott or another John? >>
Bob, although Elizabeth's chart begins with John Lott it is for Jesse. This is the OLD Jesse born 1730-40 and is the son of my John1 Lott born c1700. This Jesse Lott settled in Edgefield Co., SC.
John
Date: 1/29/2000 1:12:36 AM Central Standard Time
From: mrader@lucernevalley.net (Martha Rader)
To: jbarron933@aol.com (John Barron)
I show the 1st husband of Catherine Lott (#66i) on you index to be Joshua Lott b: 23 Jul 1802 in Montgomery GA d: 1871 in Marion Co., MS - this info from Osra Rawls BARD who seemed to do a pretty through job of researching - when she wasn't sure about something she generally stated that. She shows she got this information form Byron Lott of Hattiesburg - they often collaborated.
The other think I have is I show another possible daughter for Dicey and Nathan - Betsy Lott b: abt 1816 in MS - She married Henry Cook. Children:
i. Julia Cook b: 1853 m: Marion Thornhill
ii. Ana Marie Cook b: 1855
iii. Sarah Ann Cook b: 1857
vi. James Madison Cook b: 1859
I do not have a sorce for Betsy and Henry Cook - I got the information some time back - and it wasn't documented so as I said - it is just a possibility.
Martha Rader
Date: 1/29/2000 11:48:11 AM Central Standard Time
From: bethem@bellsouth.net (Elizabeth Hemingway)
To: JBarron933@aol.com (John Barron)
John,
I received some information late yesterday and I have some children in the wrong place. There is a John A. Lott, son of Emsley; and a John A. Lott, son of Jesse and Sarah. I have the two John's backwards. The John Lott with no information, son of Emsley, should belong to Jesse and Sarah and vice versa. I have already changed it on my file, how can you go about changing it on your site? Thanks for any help.
Beth
Date: 1/29/2000 4:27:48 PM Central Standard Time
From: mikerowe@gmi.net (Russell Lott)
To: JBarron933@aol.com
John,
Elizabeth Hemingway's descendant chart of Jesse Lott is quite interesting. Thanks for putting it up on the web. I've only looked at a bit of it, but two things caught my eye immediately. She puts the marriage of John Lott and Elizabeth Joyner at about 1740 and yet these two had supposedly had children going back to the early 1720s. Also, she has their eldest son John as b. 1724. Do you know of what she might be relying on for these dates? Any comments from you or her would be welcome.
Russell W. Lott
Senatobia, MS
Date: 1/31/2000
To: Lott Circle
I just found another residence in the long saga of Dr. Arthur Jenkins Lott (lineage William Lott, Arthur, John2, John1) [see the following deed abstract]. During the years of about 1857-9, he and wife Elizabeth lived in Jamestown in Smith Co., TX. In the years 1852-6 he was practicing medicine in Austin, TX, and by 1860 he was in Jackson Par., LA.
Smith Co., Texas, Deed Book J, p 434. Arthur J. Lott and Elizabeth his wife to Wm. F. Erwin 4 acre lot near Jamestown our late residence. 14 Mar 1859.
John Barron, Austin, TX
Date: 2/2/2000 12:45:27 PM Central Standard Time
From: s.miklas@worldnet.att.net (Susan Miklas)
To: JBarron933@aol.com (John Barron)
Hi, John,
I do have some documentation on Betsy Cook, wife of Henry Cook. I believe she was m at least 2x and had two families of ch. I have high regard for the work done by both researchers mentioned by Martha Rader. I will submit what I have sometime today. How do I get the gist of the message into one of the little envelopes that i can attach to email?
Thanks, Sue
Date: 2/2/2000 2:14:35 PM Central Standard Time
From: rajj@hot1.net (rajj)
To: JBarron933@aol.com
My name is Jason Phelps. Bellinda Barnett told me about you. I am related to the Lott family.
Elizabeth Lott(1809MS--1879LA)
married
Tandy Key Martin(1800ireland-1841sabine county)
My Lott family was Choctaw Indian. I would appreciate the information you have on this family.
THANK YOU, Jason
Date: 2/2/2000
To: rajj@hot1.net
Jason, I've seen reference to this marriage before, but can't put my hands on the source right now. Did this couple move to Sabine Co. and Martin die there? Did Elizabeth remarry?
I invite you to join our research group of 100+ who study the southern Lotts. You can check some of our work on my web page. Tales of Indian blood abound with the family, but no credible evidence exists. I feel sure it is mostly legendary in nature, but continue to study one lead that seems too consistent for dismissal out of hand.
John Barron
Date: 2/2/2000 4:42:42 PM Central Standard Time
From: rajj@hot1.net (rajj)
To: JBarron933@aol.com
Yes, that's all correct Tandy died in sabine co. Elizabeth remarried to Wiley C. Faircloth. I'm guessing you have information on Elizabeth Lott. I would greatly appreciate the information you have on her ancestors or at least point me in the right direction. thank you again
Date: 2/2/2000
To: dflott@telepak.net
Dan, I saw one of your charts concerning the above Arthur and noted that you have him as a son of John b. 1742. What is your thinking on this?
It seems to me that he better fits as a son of Absalom. John did not name him in his will of 1808 (did not name Mark either, for that matter). This Arthur seemed to come to Miss at about the same time as Absalom and the Watts family c1815. In studying the Indian affidavits the names mentioned are those of Absalom's children such as Elizabeth (m. Thomas Watts), William, and Nathan. The grandchildren, of course, confused Absalom as Arthur.
Lets bat this around a bit. Did I get all the info that you sent on the board? I may have lost a message.
John
Date: 2/2/2000
To: rajj@hot1.net
In a message dated 2/2/2000 4:42:42 PM Central Standard Time, rajj@hot1.net writes:
<< I'm guessing you have information on Elizabeth Lott. I would greatly appreciate the information you have on her ancestors or at least point me in the right direction. >>
The following is what I have in my records on Elizabeth. They are a series of e-mail messages between John Crook and myself. It should give you a good start.
John Barron
Subj: the Lott family
Date: 98-08-20 18:47:02 EDT
From: jcrook@ncsl.dcr.state.nc.us (John Crook)
To: jbarron933@aol.com (jbarron933@aol.com)
-- [ From: John Crook * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --
John,
Ted Taylor of Mississippi told me about you and the Lotts--I am a descendant of Elizabeth lott and her first husband, Tandy Key Martin. Their daughter born in 1821 was my great great grandmother--her name--Mary Ann Martin Smart--have you ever heard of this Elizabeth--she was supposed to have a brother Nathan and was also supposed to be a Choctaw Indian. Help!
John Crook
Subj: Re: the Lott family
Date: 08/20/98
To: jcrook@ncsl.dcr.state.nc.us
Thanks for your enquiry, John. I don't have a Lott-Martin marriage in my records. I monitor a southern Lott discussion group, however, and we'll see if any of them recognize this couple. I invite you to join our group. Let me know and I'll add your name to the list. We store our research findings on my web page which can be accessed by clicking on the following John Barron's Home Page
Do you have a location for their marriage and might it be Marion Co., MS? There were several Nathan Lotts there and later in Covington Co. All Lott descendants think they have Indian blood. No one has shown any evidence of this (that is contemporary with the event) but there are many records that date from the 1890s forward (100 years after the "fact"). As you might surmise I don't believe any of it, but am open to anything new on the subject.
John Barron, Austin, TX
Subj: (no subject)
Date: 10/7/98
To: 538madison@hotmail.com
John, I saw your query concerning Elizabeth Lott in the GenForum. I'd like to invite you to join our on-line southern Lott research group. We store our results on my web page which can be accessed as follows: John Barron's Home Page
I was interested in the Indian claim affidavit; especially the date. We see these things a great deal in studying the Lott and Watts families, however, they seemed to have begun about 1890 when the Oklahoma Terr. was being settled. This 1871 date is intriguing. I never put any faith in what these things say since they are self serving and always hear-say, but you never know. There were no Choctaw in Georgia, of course, and the ones I've seen are just repeating some family legend which occurred generations prior to their time.
John C. Barron, Austin, TX
Subj: the Lott family
Date: 10/9/98 12:29:25 PM Central Daylight Time
From: madison538@hotmail.com (john crook)
To: jbarron933@aol.com
There has always been a good bit of doubt in my family about the "indian thing" with Grandma Faircoth. A bit of history on her --she was an anglican--the first episcopal church in the what is now Vernon parish La. was her private chapel-the cemetery there is still known as Elizabeth Chapel. She married her first husband (my ancestor) in Jackson county Ga. in the 1820's--the affidavit signed by her children states that she was born in Mississippi--so she was far from home and in Cherokee country when she married Martin. We do have her picture--in middle age--looks rather like my Mother and she does not look like an indian.
Recently however, I was contacted by a professor, who is writing a civil war history on the central part of La. based on a book written after the was by a turn coat southerner. This coward was captured by Capt. Robert W. Martin--the son of Elizabeth Lott Martin--Uncle Robert was charged with rounding up deserters and jayhawkers and seeing that they were punished - anyway, the jawhawker wrote in his book that Uncle Martin was an indian--he said this insultingly--or rather that he was part indian.
Most in my family do not believe the indian stuff--they were never accepted on the Indian Rolls and frankly until I see more credible proof, I doubt it myself.
John
Subj: Elizabeth Lott Martin Faircloth
Date: 10/9/98 6:28:12 PM Central Daylight Time
From: madison538@hotmail.com (john crook)
To: jbarron933@aol.com
Hey John,
This is going to be a rather long e-mail as I went home and found a copy of that affidavit about Elizabeth's Indian ancestry.
I was wrong--she died in 1871 and the affidavit was done in 1911.According to the document she was the daughter of Willaim Lott and a sister to Nathan Lott. It states that she was a native of Mississippi. She was born around 1804. She was supposed to be the grandaughter of Dice Lott, who was the daughter of John Lott, who was supposed to be some kind of "lesser" chief of the Choctaws. Frankly, I am not sure of any of this--She did not live the life of an indian woman. She and her first husband, Tandy Key Martin were certainly pioneers but they traveled with a large number of slaves--18 to be exact and built an impressive house on the La. frontier. Her granddaughters attended Sacred Heart Academy in the 1850's in Natchitoches La. and her sons the University Of Louisiana at New Orleans (this school became Tulane) and one son became a regimental doctor during the war--hard to believe that indians would have lived such a life. Their pictures reveal them to be dark haired and rather handsome people--I wish that I could determine if this indian stuff were true or not--if it is then she was probably living among indians that had white fathers and because she was no hut or tepee type squaw!
Not sure of just how the Choctaw's lived as far as housing goes--I'm rambling.
John
Date: 2/2/2000
To: mikmp@aol.com
Vernell are you still thinking that your James Lott was a son of Littleberry. If so then the new material on my web page on Jesse of Mobile should be of particular interest. Littleberry and Wiley who was also in Clarke Co. are sons of Jesse.
John
Date: 2/3/2000
To: ttellem@netins.net
In a message dated 2/2/2000 6:00:51 PM Central Standard Time, ttellem@netins.net writes:
<< John ,Do you have LOTT up in TENN? >>
Mel, none of my direct line was in Tennessee that I know of. I have been looking for a guy named John "Jack" Sharp Lott who supposedly left Texas about 1850 for Tenn-KY and was "a bright light" in horse racing for decades. So far I haven't found hide nor hair of him.
John
Date: 2/4/2000 8:21:03 AM Central Standard Time
From: amoss@sunline.net (Arlina Moss)
To: jbarron933@aol.com
John, I have been going through my notes and wanted to be sure that at some point you had received the transcription:( Mobile Library )
INTERESTING TRANSCRIPT OF THE BRITISH, FRENCH AND SPANISH RECORDS OF THE CITY AND DISTRICT OF MOBILE, STATE ALABAMA found in probate Court in two volumes in the City of Mobile 1715 10 1812, Vol.11 with index, prepared from the original data by the Municipal and Court Records Project of the Works Progress Administration...1937.
Note ( their note not mine) The contents of this book were taken from the original book. All mistakes of spelling, punctuation, marked out phrases of wods were copied as the original book appeared.
THE GOVERNOR GENERAL MIRO TO JAMES GENIER.
To his Excellancy Stepphan Miro Colonel of Royal Armies and civil and military Governor of the province of Louisiana and West Florida.
James Genier who resides within the jurisdition to your Excellency, that there is a tract of vacant land of ten arpens in front, situated on the river Tombeckee and bounded on the north by lands owned by a man named Wales, and on the South by lands belonging to one Hogget, which said tract of land formerly was in possession of John Lott, but was abandoned by him in the year one thousand seven hundred and eighty, and has not since been occupied OR CLAIMED by him the said John OR BY ANY OTHER PERSON IN HIS BEHALF. Your petitioner therefore now appeals to the generosity of your Excellancy humbly asks a grant of the said ten arpens of land in front and with the ordinary depth, and prays that your excellency may be pleased to order that the necessary title to the said land may be issed to him, in due dorm from the office of the Secretary of this Government. May it please your excellancy to grant the prayer of your humbly petitioner and accept him most grateful thinks. ( Dated ) Mobile the nineteenth day of November in the year one thousand seven hundred and eighty seven.
( Subscribed) Genier
There follows a document in which Don Virante Folch, Commander of the Regiment of Louisiana and civil and military Commandant of the post and district of Mobile states that from the information which he had received on the subject from a number of inhabitants of " this place who are well acquainted with the facts of the case ", it has been determined the land was vacant. He then grants a certificate at Mobile dated 17 Nov, 1787.
My point being that as no one came forth to claim this land...who is this particular Lott? I don't see him as being the husband of Emilie. Perhaps you can clarify this point for me.
Arlina
Date: 2/4/2000
To: amoss@sunline.net
CC: Lott Circle
Thanks, Arlina, I haven't seen this particular document. Remember, however, that there were two Johns on the Tory Mobile scene: John "Sr." with the widow named Emile and John "Jr." who got his land grant in Feb 1778. I think they are John1 and John2 in my line up. All seemed to have left Mobile (except perhaps Absalom) when American ally Spain seized the area in 1780. Absalom swore out allegiance to Spain that year and John2 (John Jr.) returned to the colonies and began making land records again in 1787.
I'm still not satisfied with the descriptive location of these grants described as 105 and 110 miles above Mobile on the Tombigbee. How could this be and how did they come up with these numbers "as the crow flies" or meanderings of the river? Perhaps the answer lies with Jesse Lott on the Dog River above Mobile.
John
In a message dated 2/4/2000 8:21:03 AM Central Standard Time, amoss@sunline.net writes:
<< John, I have been going through my notes and wanted to be sure that at some point you had received the transcription:( Mobile Library )
INTERESTING TRANSCRIPT OF THE BRITISH, FRENCH AND SPANISH RECORDS OF THE CITY AND DISTRICT OF MOBILE, STATE ALABAMA found in probate Court in two
volumes in the City of Mobile 1715 10 1812, Vol.11 with index, prepared from the original data by the Municipal and Court Records Project of the Works Progress Administration...1937.
Note ( their note not mine) The contents of this book were taken from the original book. All mistakes of spelling, punctuation, marked out phrases of words were copied as the original book appeared.
THE GOVERNOR GENERAL MIRO TO JAMES GENIER.
To his Excellancy Stepphan Miro Colonel of Royal Armies and civil and military Governor of the province of Louisiana and West Florida.
James Genier who resides within the jurisdition to your Excellency, that there is a tract of vacant land of ten arpens in front, situated on the river Tombeckee and bounded on the north by lands owned by a man named Wales, and on the South by lands belonging to one Hogget, which said tract of land formerly was in possession of John Lott, but was abandoned by him in the year one thousand seven hundred and eighty, and has not since been occupied OR CLAIMED by him the said John OR BY ANY OTHER PERSON IN HIS BEHALF. Your petitioner therefore now appeals to the generosity of your Excellancy humbly asks a grant of the said ten arpens of land in front and with the ordinary depth, and prays that your excellency may be pleased to order that the necessary title to the said land may be issed to him, in due dorm from the office of the Secretary of this Government. May it please your excellancy to grant the prayer of your humbly petitioner and accept him most grateful thinks. ( Dated ) Mobile the nineteenth day of November in the year one thousand seven hundred and eighty seven.
( Subscribed) Genier
There follows a document in which Don Virante Folch, Commander ofthe Regiment of Louisiana and civil and military Commandant of the post and district of Mobile states that from the information which he had received on the subject from a number of inhabitants of " this place who are well acquainted with the facts of the case ", it has been determined the land was vacant. He then grants a certificate at Mobile dated 17 Nov, 1787.
My point being that as no one came forth to claim this land...who is this particular Lott? I don't see him as being the husband of Emilie. Perhaps you can clarify this point for me.
Arlina
Date: 2/5/2000 1:05:52 PM Central Standard Time
From: mikerowe@gmi.net (Russell Lott)
To: JBarron933@aol.com (John Barron)
Recently there's been some discussion on the list concerning the children of Nathan and Dicey Lott. My question concerns their son Thomas. What can you tell me about this individual? Information from several correspondents give his birth year as 1815, yet the 1850 Census shows Thomas Lott, at age 25, and Dicey Lott, age 69, in the same household. If this is the same Thomas, then either 1815 or the census age is incorrect.
Does anyone have more information on this man and his family? As yet, I do not have a date of death or a burial location for Thomas Lott.
An interesting side note -- the Dawes Roll record of Nathan and Dicey's children does not include a Thomas.
Russell
Date: 2/5/2000 2:25:36 PM Central Standard Time
From: BandB4951
To: agolias@iamerica.net, JBarron933
File: LIGHTF~1.FTW (1651712 bytes)
DL Time (32000 bps): < 14 minutes
Dear Ann and John,
Hi! I tried to send you a much bigger Gedcom file from my FTM 5.0 last evening but, as it turned out, it was too big to send through AOL.....so.....am sending a smaller one instead. It has much of what I have been working on in LIGHTFOOT and some other lines feeding into LIGHTFOOT line. There are quite a lot of the lines that I have additioinal information on. There's not much in this on the LOTT and HATTEN lines just as they connect up with the LIGHTFOOT possibilities through Martha Jane Dorsey LIGHTFOOT. Obviously, this is still not proven but much research has gone into it and, at this point, it is looking very strongly circumstantial that this is her LIGHTFOOT family. Just not exactly sure on some of the finer points yet.
Just consider this a rough draft at this point. There are still many things to add, correct, etc.. This particular LIGHTFOOT file is one I just grabbed right now to send as I am very disappointed that I couldn't send the 'whole ball of wax!' But I will get it to you later.
Sorry it's taken so very long to get this and other things I will be sending along....but I have been working extensively on all of my different lines at one time as so very many of them connect with each other and I still have thousands of files to get into Gedcom information......yike!!!!
At any rate, I am so grateful to you both as well as other of our cousins and researchers for the help that you have been giving me in my work. It has been so very helpful.
Sincerely,
Bellinda Myrick - Barnett
Date: 2/5/2000 4:50:24 PM Central Standard Time
From: Famnation
To: JBarron933
John: I've found much info of late on the Net in the Fed'l website on land recs...Lots o' Lotts in that for FL, AL (and I'm sure MS, AR, TX!!!). Can retrieve the counties, sections, legal land descriptions - and even the images!! Are Absoloms, Lukes, Marks, Roberts, Sarahs, Jesses, Lukes, Wms, Elisha, etc. - early, mid, late 1800s! www.glorecords.blm.gov!!!! Hope all have fun and grab some great info!
Melicent Remy
Date: 2/5/2000 4:51:32 PM Central Standard Time
From: Famnation
To: JBarron933, bethem@bellsouth.net
Thnx to you, John and Beth, for all your years of focused documented research, I think I have now connected my Lott line in. I am almost positive that it is John>Jesse>Jesse>Emsley(my gr,gr grandfather)>Wm Lawrence Lott>Louise Embry Lott. Your refs., Beth, are John#1>Jesse#4>Jesse#11>Emsley, roman numeral i. under Jesse#11. The dates and places fit! My Emsley b. 1/31/1803 Edgefield Co. SC, d. 3/10/1873; m. Eliz. Connelly when he was 47 (in AL), had Wm L., Mark Anthony, and I think Alice and Jannie....Will send 2 file attachments of my notes from work Monday (modem too slow home); found great photocopies of pp. from mid 1800s family Bible from which garnered my info. Will search for my Emsley's will pbly 1st in Muskogee Co.GA since Wm L. b. there in Columbus. THNX SO MUCH!
Melicent Remy
Date: 2/6/2000 6:04:26 PM Central Standard Time
From: dlaffert@netdoor.com (Diane Lafferty)
In the 1860 Marion Co. MS census I found this -
#229 Thomas Lott 43 MS
Dicy " 81 SC
Living next door to Watts Lott & Rutha Rayborn #228
Date: 2/7/2000 9:08:04 AM Central Standard Time
From: vherrin@medicine.umsmed.edu (Vince Herrin)
To: JBarron933@aol.com
John,
Found a confusing death certificate that I need some help with. My wife descends from Nathan and Dicey Watts Lott through their son Reuben Watts Lott. I've been trying to tidy up her line lately, and needed a death date for Elizabeth Lott Martin (wife of Berry Martin), daughter of Reuben Watts Lott. She was born in 1846.
Elizabeth's death certificate says her father was Watts Lott but that her mother's name was Nancy Lott. All info I've seen says Reuben Watts Lott married Ruth Rayborn. I then looked up the D.C. for Elizabeth's younger brother, Wiley P. Harris Lott, and it says his mother was Ruth Rayborn. Does anyone in the circle know of another marriage for Watts Lott? Or is this just another incorrect death certificate?
Vince
Date: 2/7/2000 2:42:25 PM Central Standard Time
From: vherrin@medicine.umsmed.edu (Vince Herrin)
To: JBarron933@aol.com
Sorry folks, Martha Rader brought a careless error to my attention from my previous e-mail from this AM. Elizabeth Lott, dau. of Reuben Watts Lott and ? married John Martin, not Berry Martin. Of course, Berry and Elizabeth Broom were the PARENTS of this John Martin. Still interested to know if anyone has Reuben Watts Lott being married more than once. I'm going to try to find other death certificates for his older children.
Vince
Date: 2/7/2000
To: lbarron@fas.harvard.edu
In a message dated 2/7/2000 1:15:58 PM Central Standard Time, lbarron@fas.harvard.edu writes:
<< Are you questioning the meaning of the phrases here? Up in these parts, "as the crow flies" means if you were a crow and could fly in a straight line from point A to point B. >>
Well, the problem is that if the 105 miles were "ATCF" then it would put him way up in mid-southern Alabama in what would then have been total wilderness (at least for white people). If the property really was on the Tombigbee then it seems it would have to have been 105 miles of river meanderings.
Neither makes good sense to me. What do you thank?
Date: 2/7/2000
To: sherryb@snydertex.com
CC: Lott Circle
In a message dated 2/7/2000 9:00:22 PM Central Standard Time, sherryb@snydertex.com writes:
<< Subj: Who is this Nathan Lott
Date: 2/7/2000 9:00:22 PM Central Standard Time
From: sherryb@snydertex.com (Sherry Merritt)
To: JBarron933@aol.com
Does anyone know which family this Nathan Lott belongs with.
1870 Sabine Pa. LA Census
Nathan Lott 70 GA
Dice(y) " 38 MS
John " 17 "
William " 16 "
Mary " 15 "
Sarah " 12 "
Nathan " 10 "
Andrew J. " 8 "
Elizabeth " 6 "
Amadella " 3 "
I think this is the brother of Elizabeth Lott m. 1st Tandy Key Martin 2nd Wiley C. Faircloth. But who are the parents.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I'm not sure Sherry, maybe someone can help.
John
Date: 2/7/2000 4:26:34 PM Central Standard Time
From: dlaffert@netdoor.com (Diane Lafferty)
I don't know if this will help but this is the 1850 & 1860 Marion census..All born MS
1850
#193 R. Watts Lott 28 M
Ruth " 27 F
N. ?J. " 6 "
E " 4 "
1860
#228 Watts Lott 38 M MS
Rutha " 37 F
Martha 15 F
Elizabeth 14 F
Julia 10 F
Arthur 8 M
Thomas 6 M
Felix 4 M
Wiley P 4 M
Asa 1 M
Date: 2/7/2000 11:18:05 PM Central Standard Time
From: cch@netdoor.com (Carol C-H)
To: JBarron933@aol.com
Is anyone looking for the LOTTS in 1880 Harrison county, MS? There were several households living close together - also multiple BOND, HATTON, WILLIAMS, BRELAND and FARLEY families in the immediate area - the oldest of these LOTTs seem to be:
Abslum LOTT W M 74 Farmer b. GA, parents b. GA
Elizabeth " " F 70 wife KH " "
Fannie " " " 40 dau b. MS, "
Charles " " M 21 son " "
and there is
Nathan LOTT W M 47 Farmer
Elizabeth " " F 43 wife - KH
Josephine " " " 20 dau
Louisa " " " 19 "
John A. " " M 17 son
Robt. C. " " " 15 "
Morgan " " " 12 "
Ellen " " F 9 dau
Emma " " " 4 "
All b. MS; all parents b. MS
also the families of Elisha and Catherine, J. C. and Nelly, Jessey and Dicy, and F. W. and Mary.
Carol C-H
Date: 2/9/2000
To: eztone@hotmail.com
In a message dated 2/7/2000 10:20:20 PM Central Standard Time, eztone@hotmail.com writes:
<< could you put a link to my pages at the juncture of #38 Candiza Lott and her two children Mary Jane Bowen and Susannah Lott Pluckett>>
Thanks, L.D., for your comments and suggestions. I'm just an old retired FORTRAN programmer groping around with this internet stuff. The descendant chart is generated by my genealogy program, The Master Genealogist, and if I put a link to your site in line, I would surely forget about it the next time I uploaded with changes. What I can do is put the link on the Lott page and explain where it belongs in the lineup. Does that sound satisfactory?
<< when I do a control F to search your page I get a visual basic runtime
error #116 PERMISSION DENIED TO SEARCH DOCUMENT>>
I don't know what a control F is supposed to do. The Visual Basic message must be coming from MS FrontPage which is what I used to produce the web page. Not sure what I can do about it.
<< you should convert these pages to pdf make them not printable keep more control of your work >>
I'm not real sure what pdf files are, but I assume you can convert htm files with Adobe software to create them. I'm not sure I'd want to do this, however, as I would be plagued by people wanting me to send them the files. What advantage would that give me? This new world of internet publishing troubles me as an author and copyright issues are pretty vague at this point. What is your thinking on it?
John Barron
Date: 2/11/2000
To: fieroowners@earthlink.net
How strange. This is what it should be:
Lott Patsy - Tebow, John 9 Mar 1820
Lincoln County, GA. Marriage Book G-1, 1806 - 1829, by Brides name
Sorry, John
Date: 2/12/2000 7:20:37 PM Central Standard Time
From: sherryb@snydertex.com (Sherry Merritt)
To: JBarron933@aol.com
John,
Can you put me in contact with anyone who is doing serious Lott research in GA on the Lott's about 1820 or before?
Elizabeth Lott b. abt 1804 GA m. Tandy Key Martin November 30, 1820 must have belonged to one of these lines.
There is also a connection with my line in the following email copied from your homepage in that Rees Perkins is also in my line as a 4th or 5th great grandparent.
Date: 98-01-03 09:21:53 EST
From: lottj@ix.netcom.com (Joseph Lott)
To: JBarron933@aol.com ('JBarron933')
John,
OK, looks like the balance of evidence points towards her name being Clapp and away from Watkins. I'm making that change to my files, although I will leave the Watkins name as an alias. What tipped the scale was the Indian Affairs Rejection Letter of 1902 that refers to her as Sarah Ann Clapp. I'd still like to know if it is possible that she had both names - one a maiden name and the other from a previous marriage.
My files show that Sarah married her second husband, John Elias Warren, on June 28, 1816. He was born on December 18, 1752 in Craven Co, SC and died May 22, 1821 in Marion Co, MS. His first wife was Elizabeth Rebecca Perkins, daughter of Elizabeth Colson and Rees Perkins. They married on Jan 25, 1773 in Craven Co, SC. She was born on April 05, 1757 in Prince Frederick, Craven Co, SC and died July 22, 1811 in Sandy Hook, Marion Co, MS. They had Elizabeth Warren who married Sampson Edward Ball and Martha Jane Warren who married William Milton Rankin.
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