Subj: Re: Lott circle roster
Date: 01/01/98
To: dflott@datastar.net,
In a message dated 97-12-31 18:38:12 EST, you write:
<< I've put several sets of Lott information gleaned from various Marion County court records on the net to you over the last couple of weeks. I wanted to know whether you received them.>>
Yes, I got them. We ought to put both of our sets together for a super time line.
<< I've only now determined (I think) how to send things to a group so in the future, I will post info to the whole group. I've more info I obtained today that will help in establishing a time line for the period 1807-1850 (when we have the first census).>>
What I've started doing is reply to a particular person such as this message and copy it to the circle. Does this seem to work ok?
>> Could you provide me a complete list of all those in the Lott circle. I have quite a few e-mail addresses and I don't know who they are. >>
Well some of these may be the wrong name with e-mail address, but I'll start paying more attention in the future.
John
Date: 98-01-02 15:12:02 EST
From: lottj@ix.netcom.com (Joseph Lott)
To: JBarron933@AOL.Com ('John Barron')
John,
In your message below, you wrote:
<<I think the younger set are the ones who went to FL in the 1820s and Texas in the 1830s. Luke stayed in FL. By the way Arthur Moore and wife Mary {Lott?????] also left GA in 1776 and went to West FL and got land adj to John Lott on the Tombigbee.>>
1. Who were the parents of the Mary Lott that supposedly was the wife of Arthur Moore?
2. Which John Lott had land on the Tombigbee?
3. Which Luke Lott stayed in FL?
I'm just trying to figure out who all these people are and see if it makes sense with my research.
Regards,
JL
Date: 98-01-02 19:07:16 EST
From: dflott@datastar.net (Dan Lott)
Reply-to: @datastar.net
To: JBarron933@AOL.COM (JBarron933)
John,
Thanks for the quick reply. Yes, you directing a message to one person and then cc the group is working well. I spent the day in the courthouse at Covington Co., MS perusing the Chancery Court records. Lots of fun but definitely eyestrain.
Dan
Date: 98-01-03 09:21:53 EST
From: lottj@ix.netcom.com (Joseph Lott)
To: JBarron933@aol.com ('JBarron933')
John,
OK, looks like the balance of evidence points towards her name being Clapp and away from Watkins. I'm making that change to my files, although I will leave the Watkins name as an alias. What tipped the scale was the Indian Affairs Rejection Letter of 1902 that refers to her as Sarah Ann Clapp. I'd still like to know if it is possible that she had both names - one a maiden name and the other from a previous marriage.
My files show that Sarah married her second husband, John Elias Warren, on June 28, 1816. He was born on December 18, 1752 in Craven Co, SC and died May 22, 1821 in Marion Co, MS. His first wife was Elizabeth Rebecca Perkins, daughter of Elizabeth Colson and Rees Perkins. They married on Jan 25, 1773 in Craven Co, SC. She was born on April 05, 1757 in Prince Frederick, Craven Co, SC and died July 22, 1811 in Sandy Hook, Marion Co, MS. They had Elizabeth Warren who married Sampson Edward Ball and Martha Jane Warren who married Willliam Milton Rankin.
Like you, I have no firm dates or locations for Sarah's birth or death or her marriage to Arthur Lott.
Regards,
JL
Date: 01/02/98
To: lottj@ix.netcom.com
In a message dated 98-01-03 09:21:53 EST, you write:
<< OK, looks like the balance of evidence points towards her name being Clapp and away from Watkins. I'm making that change to my files, although I will leave the Watkins name as an alias. What tipped the scale was the Indian Affairs Rejection Letter of 1902 that refers to her as Sarah Ann Clapp. I'd still like to know if it is possible that she had both names - one a maiden name and the other from a previous marriage.
My files show that Sarah married her second husband, John Elias Warren, on June 28, 1816. He was born on December 18, 1752 in Craven Co, SC and died May 22, 1821 in Marion Co, MS. His first wife was Elizabeth Rebecca Perkins, daughter of Elizabeth Colson and Rees Perkins. They married on Jan 25, 1773 in Craven Co, SC. She was born on April 05, 1757 in Prince Frederick, Craven Co, SC and died July 22, 1811 in Sandy Hook, Marion Co, MS. They had Elizabeth Warren who married Sampson Edward Ball and Martha Jane Warren who married Willliam Milton Rankin.
Like you, I have no firm dates or locations for Sarah's birth or death or her marriage to Arthur Lott.
>>
I've had some correspondence with a descendant of John Warren and will try to find it and post it to the circle. I'd bet there is some probate records for Arthur Lott in Washington Co., now AL records somewhere. Dan Lott has found a bunch of court records showing John3 and sons doing jury duty 1807-10 there.
John
Date: 01/03/98
To: suej35@airmail.net
In a message dated 98-01-03 21:50:49 EST, you write:
<< Tried to Email the circle a couple of days ago. Did you receive anything? >>
Hi Sue. It came through fine. I've been waiting to respond to your question, however. You need to add Dan Lott and Joe Lott to your list. They are good researchers and are also descended from Luke Lott of Marion Co. I think Luke is the father of your Absalom. If you could resend it to just them it would help.
John
Date: 98-01-06 13:04:38 EST
From: sandra@trsl.state.la.us
To: jbarron933@aol.com, lottj@ix.netcom.com, lbarron@husc.harvard.edu
I have just checked with the Latterday Saints (Mormon) Family History Center here in Baton Rouge, where I have had computer access, and was told that if the church itself had extracted the information, then it had, in fact, been verified. If the source could be pulled up on that screen as a person with an address, then the person contributing the info could have used own family Bibles, conversations with elders in family, etc. as well using verifiable census and other type records. It would just depend on who sent it. Therefore, for myself, I shall choose to keep using their schematics as far as who logically could have been the oldest ancestor in that line, who fit into the picture as far as place of birth was concerned, or who was fathered by, or was a spouse of the person in question. It could show siblings the best way, as well as confuse us with wrong children contributed to parents with similar names and spouses with similar names.
I am calling it at this point a guide. Sure, I will also choose to keep looking and asking for verification of all these entries that I am using. Hope that helps all who need clarification of what I have listed earlier.
Date: 01/06/98
To: sandra@trsl.state.la.us
In a message dated 98-01-07 11:03:43 EST, you write:
<< I have just checked with the Latterday Saints (Mormon) Family History Center here in Baton Rouge, where I have had computer access, and was told that if the church itself had extracted the information, then it had, in fact, been verified. >>
Sandra, I must have missed something here and don't quite understand what you mean. But, if you mean that LDS has "verified" the Lott lineage, then that can be dismissed out of hand. Their records are no better than any others, and in many ways they have caused problems by influencing people to think that kinships are set in stone and finalized from the use of their "cealing" nomenclature. Serious genealogical research is a continuous process of collecting evidence and drawing logical conclusions which naturally change periodically as new evidence and inferences come to light. I believe that the persons in this Lott Circle group are on the cutting edge of Lott research and our debates will lay the groundwork for establishing kinships for the next few years.
We must always keep in mind, however, that this family seemed to constantly live on the edge of civilization where records were tenuous and often went missing. They didn't seem to place much stock in keeping track family records and we can find few wills and/or probate records for them that firmly establish kinships. We have to deal almost exclusively with indirect evidence and draw our own conclusions from it. I encourage everyone to be skeptical, think about it, demand to see the sources, and choose to accept or reject evidence on a point by point basis. Such action will only strengthen our end results.
Thanks, John
Date: 98-01-06 17:24:35 EST
From: sandra@trsl.state.la.us
To: jbarron933@AOL.COM
RE: 12/5/97 you sent a 4 generation chart.
From what source did you get your children named Arthur Lott, belonging to both John Lott and also belonging to Arthur Lott, each very close to the other's birth date in 1790's?
Also where did you find John Lott b. c1792, m Elizabeth Lee, and same being a son of Arthur Lott (b.c1750-1812)?
OBTW: I definitely don't think I'll have room (or even RAM) yet for the Master Genealogist on my new "old" computer. Right now I'm trying to be cool and find a printer cable that works.
Sandra
Date: 01/06/98
To: sandra@trsl.state.la.us
In a message dated 98-01-06 17:24:35 EST, you write:
<< 12/5/97 you sent a 4 generation chart. From what source did you get your children named Arthur Lott, belonging to both John Lott and also belonging to Arthur Lott, each very close to the other's birth date in 1790's? Also where did you find John Lott b. c1792, m Elizabeth Lee, and same being a son of Arthur Lott (b.c1750-1812)? >>
Sandra, thanks for your response. Unfortunately there is no "source" for any of the above. The above are the results of conclusions drawn from studying all available evidence - the so-called preponderance of the evidence method. I tend to follow the conclusions of Lott researcher Sue Miklas of Colorado Springs, CO, who has made an effort to reconstruct the Mississippi Lott families using real evidence and not tradition. I'll try to get something together for you soon.
I submitted this chart as a starting place hoping to get feedback and challenges such as yours. For instance, who was the John Lott m. Elizabeth Lee? Was he in MS Terr in 1807 as the John witness to deed of gift of another John? Probably not as too young, but where did he go after 1820? Was he the John in Florida in 1830 and in Washington Co., TX? No, these things are not set in stone and what we think today can be disputed tomorrow.
John
Date: 01/06/98
To: dflott@datastar.net
In a message dated 98-01-07 15:05:35 EST, you write:
<< I have a copy of the original marriage license for John Lott to marry Elizabeth Lee. Arthur Lott and John both signed the bond (dated 5 Mar 1818) for the marriage. This lead me to believe that this Arthur Lott was related to John but definitely was not the Arthur killed by Indians. Could this Arthur be the son of the Arthur that was killed? >>
That's what I think, Dan.
<< I have also been told that John and Elizabeth moved to Rankin County between 1820-1830. I haven't been able to get up to Rankin County to research this as of yet. >>
I haven't checked Rankin Co. either, but will look into it. It is interesting to me that the Lee family is associated with the John Lott of Washington Co., TX, in the 1840s. Also Dr. Arthur J. Lott, whom I think is a son of this John of Wash. Co., married a woman named M. Elizabeth _____ and owned property in Austin, TX, in the 1850s. She died about 1866 and her administrator was a Lee (Alexander, I think). Arthur eventually took over admin. of estate. There was a son named C. Billy Lott. I don't think they lived in the area, however, at the time. I think they were in Arkansas in the 1850 census and Louisiana in 1860.
John
Date: 98-01-07 21:03:35 EST
From: lottj@ix.netcom.com (Joseph Lott)
To: JBarron933@AOL.COM ('John Barron')
John,
You sent the following last week:
<<November 29, 1752, John Lott of Duplin County, NC, sold to Solomon
Alston, Jr., of Edgecombe Co., NC, for 15 [pounds] Virginia currency 200 acres
on Contentnea Creek (patented by John Lott on April 25, 1745); witnessed by
James Turner, Jr. and John Alston. (from Deed Book 4, p 425).>>
Which John Lott do you think this refers to? John Lott b. abt 1700 or John Lott b. abt 1742?
Regards,
JL
Date: 01/06/98
To: lottj@ix.netcom.com
In a message dated 98-01-07 21:03:35 EST, you write:
<< You sent the following last week:
November 29, 1752, John Lott of Duplin County, NC, sold to Solomon Alston, Jr., of Edgecombe Co., NC, for 15 [pounds] Virginia currency 200 acres on Contentnea Creek (patented by John Lott on April 25, 1745); witnessed by James Turner, Jr. and John Alston. (from Deed Book 4, p 425).
Which John Lott do you think this refers to? John Lott b. abt 1700 or John Lott b. abt 1742? >>
Hi Joe,
John Lott obtained 300 acres of land on Contentnea Creek in 1745 and sold it 7 years later. On the same day he sold the above 200 acres to Alston, he sold the remaining 100 acres to Samuel Taylor. I call the early Johns John1 (c1700), John2 (c1720), and John3 (c1742). It couldn't have been John3 since he would have only been 10 years old. I don't think we have any way of knowing from this deed which of the adult Johns it was, however.
John
Date: 98-01-07 15:05:35 EST
From: dflott@datastar.net (Dan Lott)
Reply-to: dflott@datastar.net
To: JBarron933@AOL.COM (JBarron933)
CC: sandra@trsl.state.la.us (Sandra unk)
John,
I have a copy of the original marriage license for John Lott to marry Elizabeth Lee. Arthur Lott and John both signed the bond (dated 5 Mar 1818) for the marriage. This lead me to believe that this Arthur Lott was related to John but definitely was not the Arthur killed by indians. Could this Arthur be the son of the Arthur that was killed?
I have also been told that John and Elizabeth moved to Rankin County between 1820-1830. I haven't been able to get up to Rankin County to research this as of yet.
Would you send me a copy of the 4 generation chart (Arthur Lott) that Sandra sent you. I can't find it in my e-mail messages.
Dan
Date: 98-01-07 15:59:40 EST
From: sandra@trsl.state.la.us
To: dflott@datastar.net
CC: jbarron933@AOL.COM
Dan:
My message to John was:
<Using the Latterday Saints' Family History Center's entries, these have been my findings. But, we still have the problem that there were a number of John Lotts living in England and other European countries, and even a number of John Lotts living in the colonies when our own "John Lott" was alive. Therefore, it's going to be a challenge:
1-----. John Lott - b. @1700-1720 Isle of Wight, VA
sp- Elizabeth "Bethany" Joyner b. @ 1700 "
2---.John Lott (Sr) b. @ 1720 Edgecombe, NC
sp-Bethany b. @1724 Edgecombe, NC
3----John Lott (Jr.) b. @ 1742 Duplin, NC
sp-Sarah (Sallie) b @ 1748 Duplin
4----Arthur (Killed by Indians) b. @1750 Burke, GA
sp-Sarah Ann Clapp b. @1768 Millisville, GA
5--Elizabeth b. 1773 Liberty, GA
5--William b. 1785
5--Arthur Lott (Jr.) b. 1788 GA
sp-Elizabeth Watts b. 1791 GA
5--Solomon b. 1790
5--Absalom b. 1800
5--Penelope b. 1803?
5- Patience b. 1807?
5--Abraham b. 1811
4----Mark b. 22 Jan 1769 Barnwell, Georgia, GA
4----Luke b.
3----Solomon Lott b. @1744 Duplin
3----Daniel Lott b. @ 1746 "
3----Nathan Lott b. @ 1748 }
3----Absalom Lott b. @ 1750 }
3----Wiliam Lott b. @ 1752 }
3----Mark b. 1754-1769 }
3----Pollie b. 1766? }
3----Jesse b. 1768? }
2----Absalom Lott b. @ 1722 Edgecombe, NC
I know some of these people were not even physically able to have had children in these years. I am just trying to put out there all that I have seen from the FHC's files on their computer. Hopefully, y'all can help weed some of the junk out and get more of the facts in.
Sandra>
He had also presented a 4-generation chart that I was questioning him lately about:
<The following is a 4-gen. Lott chart according to my current research
I. John Lott c1700-1778; m/1 Elizabeth Joyner; m/2 Emile
A. John Lott c1720-1805; m/1 Unknown; m/2 Bethany
1. John Lott c1742-1810; m Sarah "Sallie" Lightfoot?
a) John Lott c1764; m Elizabeth
b) Jesse Lott c1766
c) Mark Lott 1769; m Deliah Jones
d) Robert Lott c1775-1850; m Sarah Tyner
f) Arthur Lott c1780; m Deshultz
g) Elizabeth Lott c1790
2. Solomon Lott c1744-c1822; m. Ann
a) Celia Lott c1780-1855; m James McArthur
b) Amos Lott c1784
c) Stephen Lott c1782-1825; m. Rebecca Cottengame
d) Elisha Lott 1784-1860; m Sarah Bodie Whitehead
e) John Lott c1788; m Ann Everett
f) Ezekiel Lott 1789-1834; m Caroline
g) Elizabeth Lott c1791-b1853; m William Seal
h) Jacob Lott c1796; m Elizabeth Nichols
3. Arthur Lott c1750-1812; m Sarah Ann Clapp?
a) Simon Lott c1780
b) Arthur Lott c1788-1854; m Elizabeth Watts
c) John Lott c1792-b1850; m Elizabeth Lee
d) Nathan Lott c1794-b1850; m Martha Fulgham
e) Solomon Lott c1796-1848; m Martha Warren
f) William Lott c1798-b1850; m Rebecca Harris
g) Penelope Lott c1803-a1870; m John Watts
h) Patience Lott c1810-a1870; m William Watts
4. William Lott c1755
a) (Five daughters)
5. Absalom Lott c1758-1825; m Martha Jane
a)
b) Frances Lucretia Lott c1784
c) Alfred Lott c1786
d) Johnnie Major Lott c1789-c1850
e) Abraham Lott c1792-a1850; m Zilpha Wiggins
f) Arthur Lott c1795-a1850
g) Phillip Lott c1798; m Mary Wiggins
h) Absalom Lott c1799-1874; m Sarah Watts
i) William Lott 1804-1863; m Mary Bryant
j) Nathan Lott c1800
6. Nathan Lott c1760-b1820
a) Nathan Lott c1785; m Dicey Watts
7. Polly Lott c1755; m William Hatten
B. Daniel Lott c1730
1. (Six children)
C. Mark Lott c1735
D. James Lott c1735-1780
E. Jesse Lott c1740-1780
1. Jesse
2. Emsley >
Maybe these will help.
Sandra
Date: 98-01-07 12:02:22 EST
From: sandra@trsl.state.la.us
To: JBarron933@aol.com, sandra@trsl.state.la.us
I was not trying to imply that the church had extracted anything at all; for all I know, all their information is second-hand. I am only trying to make sure that what I posted was not taken by anyone as the truth.
Date: 98-01-08 11:47:15 EST
From: sandra@trsl.state.la.us
To: jbarron@trsl.state.la.us, dflott@datastar.net
CC: jbarron933@AOL.com
To: dflott@datastar.net
In reply to John Barron's of today and yours of yesterday:
Using the 1850 Smith County, TX Census records, compiled by the East Texas Genealogical Society:
LOTT, Arthur age 62 B. in GA
Elizabeth age 42 b. in GA
(same birth year as Elizabeth Watts Lott)
Elizabeth age 19 b. in MS
(my Elizabeth Lott McClung b. in MS 19 Oct 1832)
Adaline age 18 b. in MS
AND
Rebecca age 5 b. in TX
Nancy A. age 5 mo. b. in TX
This Arthur Lott, son of Arthur Killed by the Indians Lott and whoever his wife was (Deschultz, Sarah Ann Clapp, ???) would have been in MS until at least 1832 since Adaline was born there. By 1833-1845 he would have moved to TX. He was born in 1788, in GA. So, doubtful he would have signed the marriage document of John and Elizabeth Lee Lott, unless he was visiting.
These Arthur and John Lotts would have had to have been born by @ 1799 or 1800 to be 18 when they signed. Being common names to the Lott family let's check some of Arthur Lott, b. 1788's, brother's kids.
Sandra
Date: 01/07/98
To: sandra@trsl.state.la.us
In a message dated 98-01-08 11:47:15 EST, you write:
<< Using the 1850 Smith County, TX Census records, compiled by the East Texas Genealogical Society:
LOTT, Arthur age 62 B. in GA
Elizabeth age 42 b. in GA
(same birth year as Elizabeth Watts Lott)
Elizabeth age 19 b. in MS
(my Elizabeth Lott McClung b. in MS 19 Oct 1832)
Adaline age 18 b. in MS
AND [grandchildren]
Rebecca age 5 b. in TX
Nancy A. age 5 mo. b. in TX
This Arthur Lott, son of Arthur Killed by the Indians Lott and whoever his wife was (Deschultz, Sarah Ann Clapp, ???) would have been in MS until at least 1832 since Adaline was born there. By 1833-1845 he would have moved to TX. He was born in 1788, in GA. So, doubtful he would have signed the marriage document of John and Elizabeth Lee Lott, unless he was visiting.
These Arthur and John Lotts would have had to have been born by @ 1799 or 1800 to be 18 when they signed. Being common names to the Lott family let's check some of Arthur Lott, b. 1788's, brother's kids.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Sandra, now we're cookin' with real data and debate. However, I respectfully disagree that "our" Arthur Lott (c1788GA) was not the Arthur that witnessed the marriage of John Lott to Elizabeth Lee in 1818 in Marion Co., MS. I think he was because he lived in Marion Co. until at least 1827 (see below deed from father-in-law) and was, I think, a brother of this John. There was another grown Arthur there in Marion Co., however, and it's hard to discriminate between them.
[From E. Russ Williams's "Abstracts of Deeds of Marion County, Mississippi," p 37.] Thomas Watts, Senr. of Covington Co., because of moving and for natural love and affection toward Arthur Lott of Marion - a negro man Stepney, 37 years of age. 17 Oct 1827. Wit: Reuben Watts, Sr. and Jesse Lott, Jr.
John
Date: 98-01-09 22:31:00 EST
From: sumik@gateway.net (sumik)
Reply-to: sumik@gateway.net
To: jbarron933@Aol.com
Finally, have new computer up and running. How do i find "Lott circle"?
Sue Miklas
Date: 01/09/98
To: sumik@gateway.net
In a message dated 98-01-09 22:31:00 EST, you write:
<< Finally, have new computer up and running. How do i find "Lott circle"?Sue Miklas >>
Absolutely fabulous. You're signed up. Just sit back and watch the fur fly and jump in when you see an opening. We need your help.
John
Date: 98-01-09 08:54:34 EST
From: sandra@trsl.state.la.us
To: jbarron933@AOL.COM, dflott@datastar.net
What I did not know was the state in which John and Elizabeth Lee Lott got married in. If in MS, then yes, Arthur Lott Jr. who's 62 in1850 in TX is probably our person. I had assumed we were talking about a marriage taking place in TX.
Dan, can you let me know which state? I was also clueless of what state Rankin County is in.
Sandra
Date: 01/10/98
To: lbarron@husc.harvard.edu, dflott@datastar.net
My colleague, Donaly Brice, and I have indexed the 1867 Voter Registration file for Texas. There are over 148,000 names in the file and it is now in a searchable data base until we work out the details of publishing it in book form. The Voter Registration list was a result of a Reconstruction law which required that men in the former Confederate States register with the military authorities in order to regain their right to vote. All the southern state originally had these, but to my knowledge only Georgia and North Carolina have published theirs. Many ex-confederates, of course, would not sign.
So, naturally, presented with a new set of data, I extracted all the Lotts in the file and looked then up on the microfilm. The total entry for a man contains the following data: date; name; registration number; residence; precinct; amount of time lived in state, county, and precinct; state of birth; naturalization data for non-native born; and misc. comments. Below are the Lott entries (* indicates free man of color).
Name County No. Date Residence/Prect St Co Pr Born
Robert Lott* Anderson 2041 26 Nov 1869 Anderson Co - 2 2 2 Miss
Jesse Lott Atascosa 51 10 Jul 1867 Atascosa Co 1 35 12 12 Miss
Samuel Lott* Austin 103 10 Jul 1867 Travis - 14 13 - Virginia
Edward Lott* Austin 1817 27 Jan 1868 Bellville - 15 15 - Miss
Manuel Lott* Austin 2361 22 Nov 1869 Pine Grove - 30 30 - NC
Absalom Lott, Jr. Bosque 190 13 Aug 1867 Bosque Co 2 20 2 2 -
Absalom Lott, Sr. Bosque 211 16 Aug 1867 Bosque Co 2 35 8 8 -
Spencer Lott* Bowie 146 18 Jul 1867 Bowie Co 1 20 20 20 Alabama
John Lott* Bowie 682 28 Aug 1867 Bowie Co 1 20 20 20 Virginia
Sam Lott* Brazos 1401 18 Nov 1869 Bryan 1 22 5 - -
Henry Lott* Brazos 1523 20 Nov 1869 Bryan 1 30 1 - -
Monroe Lott* Colorado 147 12 Jul 1867 Columbus - 15 1 1 Alabama
David Lote Dallas 951 31 Aug 1867 Dallas Co 9 13 13 13 New York
Jas T Lott Falls 1094 27 Aug 1867 Falls Co - - - - -
J T Lott Freestone 1049 17 Aug 1867 Freestone Co 8 7 7 4 SC
Jas T Lott Freestone 1664 25 Nov 1869 Freestone Co 3 16 16 - Miss
William Lott Galveston 1839 18 Jan 1868 Galveston Co 2 19 19 19 Prussia
Daniel Lott* Galveston 2102 18 Nov 1869 Galveston 2 1 1 1 -
Harry Lott* Goliad 6 15 Jul 1867 Goliad Co 1 20 20 20 -
Jack Lott* Goliad 61 17 Jul 1867 Goliad Co 1 18 18 18 -
Wilson Lott* Goliad 65 17 Jul 1867 Goliad Co 1 20 20 20 -
Monday Lott* Goliad 79 17 Jul 1867 Goliad Co 1 20 20 20 -
Thomas Lott* Goliad 161 20 Jul 1867 Goliad Co 1 21 21 21 -
Archa Lott* Goliad 162 20 Jul 1867 Goliad Co 1 21 21 21 -
Stepney Lott* Goliad 163 20 Jul 1867 Goliad Co 1 21 21 21 -
Battice Lott* Goliad 191 20 Jul 1867 Goliad Co 1 20 20 20 -
Robert R R Lott Goliad 237 22 Jul 1867 Goliad Co 1 26 26 26 -
Henry Lott* Goliad 503 18 Nov 1869 Goliad Co 1 21 21 21 -
Charles Lott* Goliad 508 15 Nov 1869 Goliad Co 1 21 21 21 -
B F Lott Gonzales 1161 7 Aug 1867 Rancho Box 8 7 7 - -
William Lott Gonzales 1629 22 Nov 1869 Gonzales 4 - - - -
Dartis Lott* Hays 71 11 Jul 1867 Hays Co 1 - - - Miss
Harper Lott* Hays 266 22 Jul 1867 Hays Co 2 - - - Miss
Hardy Lott* Harrison 459 1 Jul 1867 Harrison Co 5 21 21 21 Miss
Wm Lott* Harrison 858 9 Jul 1867 Harrison Co 5 21 21 21 Texas
Spencer Lott* Harrison 2302 6 Aug 1867 Marshall 5 6 1 1 Tenn
Henry Lott* Limestone 894 16 Nov 1869 Limestone Co 2 23 3 1 Texas
M B Lott Milam 659 17 Jul 1867 Milam Co 1 25 1 1 Texas
James Lott* Milam 865 7 Aug 1867 Milam Co 1 15 12 12 Alabama
N E Lott Navarro 27 15 Jul 1867 Corsicana 1 10 10 10 -
Uriah Lott Nueces 4 18 Jun 1867 Nueces Co 1 2 - - New York
Calvin Lott Polk 1140 14 Sep 1867 Livingston 1 - - - Miss
S F Lott Robertson 1294 31 Aug 1867 Robertson Co 4 30 5 5 Texas
S Lott Smith 1177 20 Jul 1867 Smith Co 4 - - - Miss
Dick Lott* Smith 1237 20 Jul 1867 Smith Co - - - - Virginia
Bob Lott* Smith 1346 23 Jul 1867 Smith Co - - - - Texas
Morton Lott* Travis 258 3 Jul 1867 Travis Co 1 15 - - Louisiana
Renta Lott* Travis 1349 10 Aug 1867 Travis Co 1 25 - - Florida
Frank Lott* Victoria 852 26 Nov 1869 Victoria Co 2 - - - -
Frank Lott* Washington 187 14 Jun 1867 Brenham 4 7 7 7 -
Preston Lott* Washington 710 24 Jun 1867 Brenham 4 7 2 2 -
Alfred Lott* Washington 2147 9 Jul 1867 Washington - 6 6 - -
Jesse B Lott Washington 2331 22 Ju1 1867 Washington - 24 24 - -
W R Lott Washington 2337 22 Ju1 1867 Washington - 22 22 - -
J R Lott Washington 2349 23 Ju1 1867 Washington - 8 8 - -
Wash Lott* Washington 2444 25 Ju1 1867 Independence - 21 21 - -
Henry Lott* Washington 2506 24 Ju1 1867 Independence - 32 32 - -
Date: 98-01-11 23:27:08 EST
From: McClendon
To: JBarron933
CC: Dan.Lott@nrlssc.navy.mil
In a message dated 98-01-11 23:11:25 EST, you write:
<< I have formed an on-line research group for Lott researchers. Would you like to be included?
John Barron, Austin, TX >>
Hi John,
Yes, I would. My cousin once removed or so, Dan LOTT, may be interested also, so I'll CC: him. I hadn't heard back from him in months and don't know if he still has access to his e-mail account.
Regards,
Date: 01/12/98
To: McClendon
Pat, you're on. Dan Lott was my first "sign-up" and has been a loyal correspondent when he could. I love your web site and would like to do one for the Lott family. I tried to do one on AOL and Family Tree Maker's site, but they are of limited use.
John
Date: 01/12/98
To: lbarron@husc.harvard.edu, dflott@datastar.net
Have added the following members to our group:
feather2s@aol.com ('Ginger Cisewski, FL'),
sdout1955@aol.com ('Susan Douthit, Merced, CA'),
mcclendon@aol.com ('Pat McClendon, Louisville, KY')
Date: 98-01-12 17:48:01 EST
From: sandra@trsl.state.la.us
To: jbarron933@AOL.COM
In a recent message Dan wrote:
<< I have a copy of the original marriage license for John Lott to marry Elizabeth Lee. Arthur Lott and John both signed the bond (dated 5 Mar 1818) for the marriage. This lead me to believe that this Arthur Lott was related to John but definitely was not the Arthur killed by indians. Could this Arthur be the son of the Arthur that was killed? >>
and John answered:
That's what I think, Dan.
<< I have also been told that John and Elizabeth moved to Rankin County between 1820-1830. I haven't been able to get up to Rankin County to research this as of yet. >>
Being still puzzled about how to identify the John and Arthur who both signed the document, I looked for all the census indexes that I could Friday before the library closed. I do not yet have the results of a search of the actual microfilmed censuses, but can post for you the 1820, 1820, 1840, and 1850 index records I got from GA, MS and TX.:
GEORGIA 1820 CENSUS page 91:
Only LOTT, ARTHUR Jefferson Co. (was Burke Co.)
" , DELILAH Montgomery Co.
ELLIS Lincoln
JESSE Columbia
MARK Lincoln
and LOTT, ROBERT Hancock Co. are now left in GA.
MISSISSIPPI 1820 INDEX TO CENSUS Page 66
Males in Family by Columns
a= under 10 years
b=10 to 16 years
c=16 to 26
d=26 to 45
e=over 45 years of age
Females in Family by columns
f=under 10 years
g=10 to 16
h=16 to 26
I=26 to 45
j=over 45 years
k=free
l=slaves
LOTT, ARRAM Covington County 000010-20100 0 P.17
ABSALOM COVINGTON CO. 001100-00101 0 P.17
ARTHUR JR MARION 100100-10100 0 P.87
ARTHUR SEN MARION COUNTY 000120-01100 0 P.87
JOHN MARION 000100-10100 P. 77
LUKE MARION 121101-21010 P.85
NATHAN MARION P.72
PHILLIP COVINGTON 17
ROBERT SEN MARION 87
SIMON MARION 83
SOLOMON HANCOCK 36
WILLIAM MARION 81
WILLIAM JR MARION 87
I'll have to send more later. Let me know if you don't understand what I'm doing because of messed up fonts, or whatever. I know it will probably be several decades of censuses later before I can see families actually listed with names in them.
Question:
Was TEXAS the state, where the Lott families who went from VA to NC (possibly to SC , possibly back to NC) to GA to MS and then to TX, ended up? I know some settled in LA, too. Anyone know any reasons why they did not go on moving westward? Were they stopped by the Civil War? Why didn't they join the Gold Rush to CA?
stc
Date: 01/12/98
To: sandra@trsl.state.la.us
In a message dated 98-01-12 17:48:01 EST, you write:
<< Was TEXAS the state, where the Lott families who went from VA to NC (possibly to SC , possibly back to NC) to GA to MS and then to TX, ended up? I know some settled in LA, too. Anyone know any reasons why they did not go on moving westward? Were they stopped by the Civil War? Why didn't they join the Gold Rush to CA? >>
Sandra, thanks for the census data. It's been done, but it helps for each researcher to check it themselves and see the relationships. And many are not in a position to check census records. As far as the migrations are concerned, I think they went every direction from MS including CA. I have found Lotts from southern states in CA 1850 censuses, but for the most part it was settled by mid-westerners.
John
Date: 98-01-12 22:10:37 EST
From: suej35@airmail.net (Suzanne Cain)
Reply-to: suej35@airmail.net
To: JBarron933@AOL.COM (JBarron933)
Sandra, I can only speak for Absalom Lott, Sr. and Jr. and their allied families. The 1849 Gold Rush happened when most Texas Lott families were busy blocking up land by any means possible. My records reflect a land speculating bunch!
The Civil War and Reconstruction brought most economy ventures to a near stand still. Cold hard cash was not available and barter was the name of the game. My Lotts had land, and one stays with what one has to keep the wolf from the door. Just my general opinion. Sue C.
Date: 98-01-12 19:01:04 EST
From: sumik@gateway.net (sumik)
Reply-to: sumik@gateway.net
To: Jbarron933@aol.com (John barron)
John, sorry for the duplicate letter to you. I just discovered all the material you have sent me. Thank you and I will be in touch.
Sue M.
Date: 01/13/98
To: sumik@gateway.net
Sue, I sent the following message, quoting from a letter, concerning Lott Indian relationships over the Lott Circle a while back. Do you more or less agree with it?
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The Lott family is an entirely different story, however. For the past year I have worked on little else but them and I would love to see what you have collected from your sources. I will send you what I have for them at a later date, but essentially no factual information was passed down in the generations. This is strange because they were a highly successful family. John Lott "gentleman" who came to North Carolina from Virginia was born before 1700 and was, perhaps, the immigrant. His grandsons were members of the Georgia Assembly (legislature) and one of them was our apparent ancestor Arthur Lott (killed by the Indians in 1812). Most of John's sons and grandsons were large landowners and slave holders.
In spite of the above, legends of Indian ancestry abound in the family including yours about "Chief Lott." I hadn't heard of him before! They are too widespread to be groundless, but common sense will alert any Southerner who knows firsthand the history of racial relations to be highly skeptical. For instance in colonial Virginia, it was a crime punishable by indentured servitude for a white woman to have a baby of mixed Indian or black blood. Writers from the period always refer to persons of mixed Indian blood in the most contemptible of terms and of the Indians even worse. I don't think that a rich and prominent man, such as Arthur Lott, could have openly taken up with an Indian woman and still retained his place in the community and no preacher would have let them in the church much less married them.
I have, of course, changed my opinion about all of this since my 1984 chart depicting the Cherokee woman, Deshultz, as the "wife" of Arthur Lott. So [getting down from his soap box] what are we to make of these Indian legends? I think they stem from two sources: 1) a family scandal and 2) free land in the Oklahoma Territory about 1900 to descendants of Indian blood.
The scandal probably had to do with the Arthur Lott [there seemed to be a million of them] who lived in Melba, MS, in the early to mid 1800's. I believe him to be a man who, as we would say today, went off the deep end and began "living in sin" with an Indian woman. See the attachment on him sent to me by Sue Miklas who is a very good Lott researcher. Since in most cases the Lotts were dark complected with black hair (see photo of E.E. Lott), people suspected they had Indian blood anyway. The "kicker", however, was the prevalence of blue eyes; no Indian ever had blue eyes. Do you have pictures of Beulah Jane McClung? As you can see, Sarah Eugenia McClung had the characteristic dark hair and "Indian" features. I don't know about her eye color, however.
To complete my premise, were two instances of testimony intended to be presented to the Dowe's Commission which was in charge of distributing public land in the Oklahoma Territory. Sarah Ann Clapp, widow of Arthur Lott killed by the Indians, was purported to be 1/2 Indian in an affidavit by a Mr. Johnson in Marion Co., MS, about 1900. He was an old man and friend of the family and I feel it was merely the self-serving act of trying to help get them free land from the government. The claim was rejected.
Closer to home was the claim of Elbert Watts starting about 1890. He was the brother of Elizabeth Watts who was the wife of Arthur Lott of Smith Co., TX. The two attached copies of documents from Mason Co., TX, show the nebulous, self-serving nature of his claim to Indian ancestry. I don't mean to imply that he was dishonest because he seemed to be a respected man, I'm sure he truly believed this tale. He may have simply been down on his luck as after 1900 he was indigent as witnessed by his obtaining a Civil War pension from the state of Texas.
Elbert Watts was clearly responsible for the infamous document known as the "Affidavit of John A. Lott" (see attached copy) which as been quoted and requoted by Lott researchers for many years. I think he sent it to his cousin, John A. Lott, in hopes that he would offer support to his claim of Indian ancestry. This John was a grandson of Arthur and was the county treasurer of Smith Co. at the turn of the century. Being a lawyer (or at least associated with them), he apparently knew better than to sign this hearsay document. Everything purported in the document would have had to occur before he was born. It lies currently in the probate packet of Elbert Watts in Smith Co. still unsigned, unwitnessed, and undated.
To sum it up, I feel that the "Indian Connection" is a romantic myth not supported by facts. All of the source documents that I have seen which claim to support it are not contemporary with the events making them legal hearsay. That doesn't mean, however, that evidence does not exist and I challenge you to keep looking and see if you can find that elusive red skin from our past.
*********************************************
John
Date: 98-01-15 23:24:06 EST
From: jwiegert@cyberhighway.net (Juliana Wiegert)
To: JBarron933@aol.com
Hello - Just a quick note to tell you I will be off the internet for a while...computer problems...it's creating "virtual drives" all on its own, every other day! Sometimes they are there and when they are (many of them), all the files loose their paths. I did send you the copies of the old letters. I will let you know as soon as I am back on. If I did not give you my mailing address, it's on the envelope when you get it. By the way, when I read over what I could of the file I got from you, I noticed that in one place, Sarah Ann Clapp was referred to as Des...something, a CHOCTAW, and in two other places, she's referred to as CHEROKEE. Which one do you think she may be, if she even is at all? I hope she proves to be one or the other because it makes it all the more interesting. I will work on my troublesome DENTON line I told you about a few more months before I turn it over to you. Thanks for everything....talk to you in a while. Julie Wiegert
Date: 01/15/98
To: lbarron@husc.harvard.edu, dflott@datastar.net
I have uploaded a modified register report starting with John Lott (c1700) to my Family Tree Maker web site at the following url:
http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/b/a/r/John-C-Barron/
Please check it out and give me your comments. It is by no means complete, but should be a starting point for debate. I would be particularly interested in primary and secondard sources that you know of that are not included.
It was created with FTM by importing via gedcom from my main genealogy data base created with The Master Genealogist. The gedcom translation between the two systems is far from perfect, however, and stems mostly from the limited number of standard events supported by FTM. Particularly disturbing is the loss of dates, locations, and sources for "residence" events. Perhaps I caused this problem in some way and I would be happy if you FTM experts could give me some pointers about using this system.
John
Date: 98-01-16 17:43:02 EST
From: sumik@gateway.net (sumik)
Reply-to: sumik@gateway.net
To: JBarron933@aol.com (JBarron933)
Indian Question
I'm familiar with your views of the "Indian Question." I'm not actively searching for proof these days, but haven"t entirely given up. Maybe they m Indian women in Carolina and GA to get a share of Indian Lands. Surely, you will be pleased to know that there are some descendants of not my line that believe Absalom"s wife, Martha "Patsy" was Princess Patsy Lightfoot of the Cherokees. I"ve already researched it and so far found no proof. No more about this subject until I have something concrete, OK? ---Sue M
Date: 98-01-18 22:33:00 EST
From: grg@iname.com (Gerald R Gallagher)
To: AubreyV@aol.com
Dear John;
Thank you for posting your information on the FTM bulletin board. I think that this will be very helpful in locating additional information and I plan to compare your information to mine to see if I can add any additional references. I did notice that you had listed the children of John Lott of Harrison County by initials as was done in the 1850 census. One of the children, R. H . Lott, can be identified as Robert H. Lott based on a report in the Texas Republican, Marshall, Texas, May 29, 1858 which reported the death of Robert H. Lott, son of John Lott, about 25 years of age, on the 14th instant.
Gerald Gallagher
Date: 01/18/98
To: grg@iname.com
In a message dated 98-01-18 22:33:00 EST, you write:
<< One of the children, R. H . Lott, can be identified as Robert H. Lott based on a report in the Texas Republican, Marshall, Texas, May 29, 1858 >>
Thanks, Gerald, I'll make that change.
John
Date: 01/23/98
To: jwiegert@cyberhighway.net
In a message dated 98-01-22 14:45:03 EST, you write:
<< I received some family group sheets from Joseph Lott who is in the Lott circle. There were some differences. I have lost track of where a woman named Bethany goes, with Arthur Lott or one of the John Lotts. Please send me this file again as an attachment and I will have a more learned person come help me before I remove it and mess it up again. >>
Julie, the early Lott relationships are so murky that no one really knows who belongs to whom. I have tried to throw it all out and start over using evidence and not tradition and speculation. Joseph Lott is a good researcher and is open minded and recognizes the above problems. Bethany Lott has been claimed to be the mother of the children of John Lott (b c1720), but I have gathered evidence that shows that she was a 2nd wife of this John. Some researchers do not accept this and cling to the old information. I am attaching a register report starting with John Lott (b c1700) which is the same as on my web site which you can see by clicking on the following.
Family Tree Maker's Genealogy Site: User Home...
The report contains about 100 pages and is an ASCII/DOS file which you can work with using most any word processor including Windows WordPad.
John
Date: 98-01-25 15:36:18 EST
From: Lucbick
To: JBarron933
I am working on Solomon Lott married to Martha Warren, Thomas W. Lott married to Mary Elizabeth Magee, and Florence Lott married to Henry Edward Tyner (my grandparents).
Lucbick@aol.com
Date: 01/25/98
To: Lucbick
In a message dated 98-01-25 15:36:18 EST, you write:
<< I am working on Solomon Lott married to Martha Warren, Thomas W. Lott married to Mary Elizabeth Magee, and Florence Lott married to Henry Edward Tyner (my grandparents). >>
Thanks for the message. I'll put you on our Lott Circle mailing list. Not sure if we have any of Solomon's descendants as yet, but we're growing. Would you give us your name and city.
John Barron
Date: 01/26/98
To: sumik@gateway.net
In a message dated 98-01-26 18:15:36 EST, you write:
<< I have found your web site of John Lott Descendents. I am working on it. My Lott data from Roots III isn't on the new computer yet, but soon I hope. I'll get back to you as soon as I can. I'm looking through my original box of material. >>
Sue, the reports in that site were generated using Family Tree Maker and a gedcom file that I imported from my main program, The Master Genealogist. The gedcom translation was not a good one. I am working on another web site on AOL which I hope to be able to upload without the intermediate step and also to allow the upload/download of files.
Date: 98-01-26 13:02:15 EST
From: grg@iname.com (Gerald R Gallagher)
To: JBarron933@aol.com ('JBarron933'), Lucbick@aol.com (Lucbick@aol.com)
In records extracted in Marion County Mississippi, I found the following Information:
Solomon Lott married Martha Warren January 6, 1823
Solomon Lott died September 15, 1848
Martha Warren's father was Elias Warren
Date: 01/26/98
To: garylott@juno.com
In a message dated 98-01-26 22:30:37 EST, you write:
<< MY INFO SHOWS SOLOMON b. 1790 GA. m. MARTHA WARREN b.1806 TO BE SON OF ARTHUR (KILLED BY INDIANS) LOTT CHILDREN: SARAH ANN b. 10 APR. 1825/ NATHAN ARTHUR b.17 DEC. 1837 SIMON (NO DATES) THOMAS (NO DATES) THEN I HAVE THOMAS LOTT b.1844 m. ELIZABETH b.1846 WITH CHILDREN JESSE------FLORENCE----SIMON-----REBECCA
I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO TIE THESE TWO THOMAS LOTTS TOGETHER IF YOU HAVE MORE ON THESE PLEASE LET ME KNOW THANK'S A LOTT garylott@juno.com
>>>>>>>
Thanks, Gary, will run them around the circle.
John Barron
Date: 01/27/98
To: lbarron@husc.harvard.edu, dflott@datastar.net
Click on the following to view my new AOL web page. In it you will find a link to a file containing abstracts of Lott/Watts entries in Cemeteries of Covington Co., MS.
World Wide Web
Let me know what you think of this and what sort of Lott data you would like to see on this page. Although I've worked with computers for over 30 years, I'm just a rookie when it comes to this web page business.
John
Date: 01/27/98
To: Lucbick
In a message dated 98-01-27 18:09:33 EST, you write:
<< My Solomon Lott date of birth is 1795 in GA and he died 15 Sep 1898. He is buried in the Solomon Lott Cemetery in Marion County, MS. I have not been to this cemetery He married Martha Warren 4 Jan 1823. There was a question if John or Arthur Lott was Solomon's father.
Lucy Bickham >>
Lucy, it was Arthur. I have uploaded two important pieces of evidence furnished by Sue Miklas to my web pages which sheds light on this relationship. See the affidavit and letter from Marion Co. I think that you should take the Indian claim with a pinch of salt (or maybe baloney), but there shouldn't be much too dispute about the family relationships.
John
Date: 01/27/98
To: Lucbick
In a message dated 98-01-27 22:38:02 EST, you write:
<< Thank you for the John and Arthur Lott info. I have the info on the children for Thomas W. Lott and Florence Lott. >>
If you will send me a family group sheet, I will send it out to the circle.
John
Date: 02/01/98
To: lbarron@husc.harvard.edu, dflott@datastar.net
In addition to a modified register descendant chart for John Lott, I have also included the corresponding gedcom file to my home page. You can download either one as a text file by using the "Save As" feature of your browser. You should give the gedcom file the extension .ged if you do so. The home page can be reached by the following:
http://members.aol.com/JBarron933/index.html
The descendant chart contains source documentation for the dates and locations of essentially every event. Such documentation may be from primary sources, secondary sources, or my own/others' speculation. If it is speculation then it is identified as such. This is the type of investigation needed to begin pulling evidence together and coming to logical conclusions. It doesn't mean that it is complete, indisputable, or even correct; therefore, it is subject to change at any time when better evidence surfaces.
Those of you who see differences in these and your own linkages and conclusions should examine the underlying evidence that lead you to come to those conclusions. If either no sources were given or you can't get back to them, then you should look at it with skepticism. I would be delighted to change any of my conclusions if you can present me with documentation and/or convincing arguments. When changes and additions are sent to me, I will post a new chart and gedcom on the page.
Let me hear from all of you.
John Barron
Date: 02/01/98
To: lbarron@husc.harvard.edu, dflott@datastar.net
There are two Lott men in Tattnall Co., GA, that I can't seem come up with an acceptable proposed linkage: Simon and Ephraim. I had assigned Simon to the Arthur (killed by the Indians) family, but he seems a little too old. Since they were on the 1802 tax roll (if I remember right) then they had to be born by 1781. Simon's age can also be estimated by the 1820 census of Marion Co., MS, as 26-45. Could they be children of Daniel Lott who was dead by 1784 and known to have at least one son who was born by 1764?
Any ideas?
John
Date: 98-02-01 22:54:02 EST
From: suej35@airmail.net (Suzanne Cain)
Reply-to: suej35@airmail.net
To: JBarron933@aol.com
John,
Anyone who will offer doc info without charge or book copy is great in my book! BUT, I would like to see a minor info exchange for us TX bound souls.
It appears most of the Circle are light years ahead of me in generation research. I'm still muddling around here and would like to straighten out the relationships of some of the odd Lott names 1830-1900 in TX. We also have a group that came to TX from up North. Whatcha think? Is there
enough interest to justify that? Sue C.
Date: 02/01/98
To: suej35@airmail.net
In a message dated 98-02-01 22:54:02 EST, you write:
<< I'm still muddling around here and would like to straighten out the relationships of some of the odd Lott names 1830-1900 in TX. We also have a group that came to TX from up North. Whatcha think? Is there enough interest to justify that? >>
I think any and all research is welcome. The cemetery info you sent on Absalom and Canzada was fantastic and is included in the John Lott descendant chart on my web page.
John
Date: 98-02-01 19:00:25 EST
From: grg@iname.com (Gerald R Gallagher)
To: JBarron933@aol.com ('JBarron933@aol.com'), Lucbick@aol.com (Lucbick@aol.com)
Dear John;
I went to your home page and was very pleased to find the two files you have made available there. I tried to print the John Lott text file directly from the web page but for some reason the left margin is very wide and some of the text gets cut off on the right hand side. Since this is a large document, I used print preview to see how it would look before I tried to print it and avoided actually printing any of the pages.
Instead, I used the Save As function as you have suggested in your message and downloaded the text to my floppy disk. Then I opened the file with my word processor (Works) and was able to set the margins to print the complete document.
This text is very helpful because of the fact that the references are included. I want to compare your information to mine and I will let you know if I can supplement you in any way.
Gerald Gallagher
Date: 02/02/98
To: lbarron@husc.harvard.edu, dflott@datastar.net
I have uploaded to my web page transcriptions of the affidavits of Elbert Watts and others in support of his grandson's claim to be admitted to the Cherokee Nation in 1896. As I have said before, such claims as these should be viewed with extreme caution as they depict events that occurred prior to the birth of the persons swearing to the affidavits. Please give me your comments on the documents.
The web page can be seen at the following:
http://members.aol.com/JBarron933/index.html
John Barron
Date: 98-02-02 17:15:43 EST
From: sumik@gateway.net (sumik)
Reply-to: sumik@gateway.net
To: JBarron933@aol.com (John Barron)
Hi John
You will be glad to get this from me.
Note ,, that in the body of the WPA Melba article, it says that the town of Melba was established about 1863. Jeff-Davis County was taken from a part of Covington County.
Thus, it seems to me that no one had to move far, if at all ,to get there. "Old Art" just claimed the land first or maybe was already on it.
Let me also add, that at last, I am ready to agree that John A. Lott, County Clerk, Smith Co, Tx, was probably just wanting to do a favor for a friendly cousin and then thought better of it. I don't think there was ever a Deshultz, although a similar name pops up in the recesses of Lott history. The WPA workers needed to be busy and it was a good story.
The Arthur Lott you mentioned in Leake County was the son of Soloman and Ann, bro of Rev Elisha, and probably father of Soloman J. He was living in the home of his daughter, Amelia Lott Morgan.
There is a Lott descendent who claims there is a Choctaw Registry in Mississippi with some Lotts entered on it. I'll be checking on it.
You are doing a great job. Sue M.
Date: 02/02/98
To: sumik@gateway.net
In a message dated 98-02-02 17:15:43 EST, you write:
<< You are doing a great job. >>
Thanks, Sue, that means a lot to me coming from you.
John
Date: 02/02/98
To: sumik@gateway.net
In a message dated 98-02-02 17:15:43 EST, you write:
<< Note ,, that in the body of the WPA Melba article, it says that the town of Melba was established about 1863. Jeff-Davis County was taken from a part of Covington County. Thus, it seems to me that no one had to move far, if at all, to get there. "Old Art" just claimed the land first or maybe was already on it.
Let me also add, that at last, I am ready to agree that John A. Lott, County Clerk, Smith Co, Tx, was probably just wanting to do a favor for a friendly cousin and then thought better of it. I don't think there was ever a Deshultz, although a similar name pops up in the recesses of Lott history. The WPA workers needed to be busy and it was a good story.
The Arthur Lott you mentioned in Leake County was the son of Soloman and Ann, bro of Rev Elisha, and probably father of Soloman J. He was living in the home of his daughter, Amelia Lott Morgan.
There is a Lott descendent who claims there is a Choctaw Registry in Mississippi with some Lotts entered on it. I'll be checking on it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Yes, you're right about the Arthur in 1850 Leake Co. I just rechecked Hilton & Gloria Lott's manuscripts and they show that too. Don't know where the Arthur that went to Melba was in 1850. There's just too dad gum many of them.
There's also an Arthur in Texas in 1836 that I can't find hide nor hair of. He wasn't the Dr. Arthur J. Lott who was in Austin, TX, in the 1850's as some have reported, but an older one. Dr. Arthur was probably a son of the John in Washington Co., TX, in 1836 and was born about 1825. He is in Louisiana in 1860.
John
Date: 02/07/98
To: STROTHER5@worldnet.att.net
In a message dated 98-02-07 20:38:08 EST, you write:
<< I called Trent Lotts office again and found that he has few family members (no siblings and aunts and uncles--at least none living). I could not find the "Carroll County Kin" book in our library containing about three generations of his line.
I will call Bill Lehmann on Sunday and get back with you.
>>
Thanks, Lloyd. Welcome back to the Lott Circle. We've been in sort of a holding pattern lately, but I've been working on the John Lott who came to Washington Co., TX 1836. I'd like to find out what happened to his widow and family after 1850. He died by 1848, not 1852 as Bill Lehmann said in his book. I suspect that they moved to Louisiana, but wasn't able to verify that today due to so much traffic on the microfilm readers.
John Barron
Date: 02/08/98
To: bellmer@narrows.com
In a message dated 98-02-08 00:18:20 EST, you write:
<< >>>>>>>>>>> I have a copy of a Lott family history written by Kathleen Corley Mason about the Lotts in Carroll Co. MS, that includes Trent Lott. I am a descendant of the Aaron Lott line in Carroll Co., MS. Trent Lott is a descendant of one of Aaron's sons. I descend from a different son of Aaron. Mine line is through Aaron, Jr. I did not see the prior e-mail about the Lotts in Carroll Co. I am VERY interested.
>>
Dot, Lloyd Lott sent me that message. His e-mail is at the following:
STROTHER5@worldnet.att.net ('Lloyd Lott, Austin, TX)
You should add him to your list of members as he has a new e-mail address. Maybe he can add some additional comments about his research on the Carroll Co. folks.
John
Date: 98-02-08 21:17:30 EST
From: DMorgen3
To: JBarron933
Hi!
My name is Denise Davis.
I am looking for information on Elizabeth LOTT who married Thomas WATTS. Thomas was born 1769 in NC and died in Perry Co., MS.
Can you help?
Thanks, Denise
Date: 98-02-10 17:33:17 EST
From: sumik@gateway.net (sumik)
Reply-to: sumik@gateway.net
To: JBarron933@AOL.COM (John Barron)
John
Several people sent much Lott material about 10 years ago. I don't know where Choctaw doc came from. Suggest your friend write Director, BIA, Dep't. of Interior, Washington, D.C. for location of material desired. The 1960 census of Indian Territory has been published. I saw it two days ago in my pub lib. The Ft Worth Library has one of the best collections of Indian Records in the Country.
Good luck. Sue M.
Date: 02/13/98
To: Mik MP
In a message dated 98-02-13 14:34:46 EST, you write:
<< Hi, I just found the descendants of John Lott under surnames, and copied it. Thanks so much for putting it on the internet. My grandmother Viola McGee Parker Lott was the daughter of James L. Lott and Elizabeth McGee Parker Lott. My family lived in Austonio, Houston Co. Texas, where my father Josie Vernon Cheairs was born. I hve been trying to research James L. Lott and Elizabeth for a long time now. I believe he was the son of Littleberry Lott(or Littlebury), who was from Ala. James L. Lott was born in Clarke Co., Miss, about 1843 if my sources are right, and if Littleberry was indeed his father. There are several James Lotts. L.B. Lott was born in GA. in 1808, he had a son named James Lott, born in MS. in 1841.Also, a Jesse1 Lott was born in Georgia in 1806, he married Ann E., he had a son named James L. Lott, born in 1833 in Miss. Another source says Jesse Lott was the father of James D. Lott b.1837 in Hinds Co. MS.(from Lott Lineages) There is a reference to Littlebury in the IGI from MS from the 1850 census of Clarke Co. I am trying to figure out which Lott was the father of my gg grandfather James L. Lott, I noticed something about a James N. Lott, that lived in Clarke Co. Miss, in the Lott Circle emails. Would you happen to have any info on Littleberry or Jesse, or the father of my James L. Lott? They moved to Limestone Co. Texas in 1880, their daughter Viola Anne Lott Cheairs, married to George W. Cheairs, was my grandmother. They lived in Limestone, Freestone, Madison Co., and Crockett and Austonio, Texas.We lived in Austonio for years, then moved to Crockett, then to College Station. My relatives still live in Austonio, the Cheairs', Swearingins, LaRues, McDonalds, and my youngest sister owns land in Austonio, right near the Trinity River. My sisters and I all live in Brazos Co., and my brother in Madisonville. If you have any info on James L. Lott, please email me at MIK MP. Thanks so much , MIK MP.
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Thanks for the query. I'll run it by the Circle and maybe some can help. I believe that I have some info on James in Texas from a Confederate pension application. Will have to find my files.
I'll put you on the Lott Circle Roster and we'll see what develops.
John Barron
Date: 98-02-14 23:10:12 EST
From: Lucbick
To: JBarron933
I am sorry that I have not had time to read the information you had in computer for me. I am involved in a volunteer project that is taking a lot of time. We had a senior market expo last year at the Mississippi Gulf Coast Convention Center with 108 booths. We are hoping to have at least 150 this year. So many business people have not accepted the buying power of the 50+ generation. It is beginning to register with more and more.
I'm sure that the information will prove beneficial. Is there anything I can look up for you in Marion County, Mississippi or surrounding area. I will be in Columbia this month. I usually go once a month to check on a 92 year old aunt. My uncle was very interested in his family--Lott and Tyner. He talked more about the Tyners than he did about the Lotts. I have 2 aunts and 1 uncle still living out in California. I have ask them to make notes about any relatives they can remember but so far I haven't heard anything from them. I'll just have to call them.
I am missing a few cousins on my family tree. I have letters out at this time to complete the children up to date for Solomon Lott and Martha Warren through Thomas W. Lott married to Mary Elizabeth Magee, to Florence Lott, my grandmother, married to Henry Edward Tyner, Elizabeth Tyner married Robert Prine, my parents.
Lucy Bickham
Date: 98-02-14 23:42:45 EST
From: jnewton339@aol.com (JNewton339)
To: jbarron933@aol.com (JBarron933)
A John LOTT tvld with my NEWTONs to MS TRR in 1807 thru Indian Lands. Joshua N son of Jacob NEWTON and Lois JONES with bros Samuel and Jacob. JOSHUA md Elizabeth WOOTEN in Now Green Cnty, MS, and had two sisters that md, one Tabitha NEWTON md George Gilbert NEW and the other, Mary AZZORA NEWTON md James Boney NEW. The NEWs went to BEE Cnty, TX, and then one moved tothe next Cnty. The marriages took place in Sumter Cnty, AL. The NEW bros father was William NEW and mother was MARY WELLS, 1st wife. The bros were in KEMPER MS. You are descended from (can't find notes now) one of the two marriages.
Jack W Newton, 3402 Hardee Ave, Chamblee, Ga 30341-3312 770 457 4260
Elizabeth WOOTEN NEWTON, my gggrandmother and yours, is burried in Concrete Cemetery in Guadalupe, Tx, near La Vernia. I and several other unveiled a historical monument at the cemetery in Nov,1997. Would like to hear from you. Will send ? Washington NEW's line soon
DuPREE
Date: 02/14/98
To: MIL2ROCK
In a message dated 98-02-14 20:05:40 EST, you write:
<<
I was just on your web site and looked up the Lott Circle List and found out info you have on me is not complete. I am looking for BERTHA LOTT, m Lucas Lamar Freeman 22 Dec 1912 in Perry County, MS.....Her brothers were COCHRAN LOTT, b 18 Sept 1912, d June 1987; SAMUEL LOTT; HERBERT LOTT, b 9 June 1907, d July 1979.........Any information on any one of these people would help.
Ethel Freeman, Provo UT
mil2rock@aol.com
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Thanks Ethel, I will fix it the next time I upload the roster.
John Barron
Date: 02/15/98
To: lbarron@husc.harvard.edu, dflott@datastar.net
I received the following from Jack Newton concerning members of the travling party of John Lott to MS Terr in 1807 and their subsequent history. I believe this John is the one whom Frances Blitch claimed was born in 1742 and whose probate proceedings were found in Washington Co., MS Terr. in fall 1808. Washington Co. was huge and extended from the Chattahoochi on the east to the Pearl River on the west.
John Barron
Date: 02/15/98
To: jnewton339@aol.com
Thanks, Jack, I have forwarded your message to my on-line Lott Circle of researchers. You must have me mixed up with someone else, however, as none of those in the party (including that particular John Lott) were my direct ancestors. Thanks for the info, however, and I hope it will help some identify their people especially in regards to relationships with related families.
John Barron
Date: 98-02-15 14:46:10 EST
From: JNewton339
To: JBarron933
I recently purchased Delux Family Tree, and in experimenting, I came across your name that I must have been dayddreaming stated that you were descended from George Washington NEW. If so let me know because I know the family from NC<VA<? Bardados.
One of your correspondees MORRIS 811 is related to John LOTT with others including LOTTs and my ancestor to MS TRR (now Green Cnty)
Excuse troubling you. I remember that I had corresponded earlier and stated that you had an excellent web page. I think that I stated that I have a deed on a cemetery lot in Georgetown.
Jack
Date: 02/15/98
To: JNewton339
In a message dated 98-02-15 14:46:10 EST, you write:
<< stated that you were descended from George Washington NEW. If so let me know because I know the family from NC<VA<?Bardados.... One of your correspondees MORRIS 811 is related to John LOTT with others including LOTTs and my ancestor to MS TRR (now Green Cnty)
Excuse troubling you. >>
Jack, no trouble at all. I enjoyed in info, but it must have been another Barron related to the NEW. Georgetown is a nice little town. We considered moving there at one time when my wife was applying for a faculty position there at Southwestern U.
John
Date: 98-02-16 13:28:34 EST
From: Mik MP
To: JBarron933
CC: Mik MP
Hi, thanks for adding our email address to the Lott Roster, my sister also wants her address added to it if possible, it is Jams82@Aol.Com. I have received some info.(his application for the Miller Roll-rejected) on John W. Lott from Cherokee Cousins, if you need it please let me know, and I will email the info to you. Thanks, MIK MP.
Date: 02/16/98
To: Mik MP
In a message dated 98-02-16 13:28:34 EST, you write:
<< Hi, thanks for adding our email address to the Lott Roster, my sister also wants her address added to it if possible, it is Jams82@Aol.Com. I have received some info.(his application for the Miller Roll-rejected) on John W. Lott from Cherokee Cousins, if you need it please let me know, and I will email the info to you. Thanks, >>
She's on. That sounds like some information that be useful and would like for you to send. Can you fill me in on the Miller Roll? When was it done, etc.
John
Date: 02/16/98
To: sandra@trsl.state.la.us
Thanks for the nice offer. I'd be interested in the Dr. Arthur J. Lott who lived in Jackson Parish in 1860. If they have an index or soundex for 1880, I'd like to know if he was still there. I couldn't find him in 1870. He had a son named C. William Lott that they called "C. Billy".
John
Date: 02/16/98
To: bellmer@narrows.com
In a message dated 98-02-16 17:34:20 EST, you write:
<< In the message below, WHO is the John W. Lott??? Was he born 1845, in MS, died 1900 in TX? Thanks, Dot
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I'm not sure, better let Mikmp (don't have a name yet) tell you.
John
Date: 02/16/98
To: Mik MP
In a message dated 98-02-16 18:58:12 EST, you write:
<< Hi, thanks for adding my sisters' address. The Miller Roll was compiled as a result of three court cases brought by the Cherokees against the U.S. government. These suits concerned grievances arising out of the 1835 Treaty--the removal treaty that had relinquished Cherokee lands in the east. In 1905, the U.S. Court of Claims ruled in favor of the Cherokee, and the following year Congress appropriated one million dollars to settle the claim. The task of identifying those persons eligible to receive a share of these funds was assigned to Guion Miller, special commissioner of the Court of Claims. The court decree stated that individuals alive on May 28, 1906, who could establish the fact that at the time of the 1835 treaty, they were members of the Eastern Cherokee tribe or were descendants of such persons, were entitled to share in the distribution of funds. Applications for minors were to be filed by the parents or guardians: applications for individuals who had died after May 28, 1906, were to be filed by their children or legal representatives. More than 45,00 applications, representing abut 90,000 individual claimants, were filed between 1906 and 1908. A total of 30,820 persons were found to be eligible for a share of the funds and are listed on the Miller Roll. (I ordered this application of John W. Lott from Cherokee Cousins) :: Miller Roll application #40271,(John Perry, guardian for John Lott, et. al.)#40271, John Perry for Wards (his sisters' 5 children), Perry's residence was Dell, Ark., Action--Rejected. #40271 EASTERN Cherokees. This is the answers to the application questions, made to the Specia; Commissioner of the Court of Claims, 601Ouray Bldg., Washington, D.C.------State full name(Minor's Claim) 1.John W. Lott, 2.Charley Lott, 3.Robert C. Lott, 4.Samuel Lott, 5.Minnie E. Lott. State Indian name--"Don't know any but Chickalee. Residence and post office: Dell, County: Mississippi, State: Arkansas. Ages:18,16,14,12,10.(the minor children) Birth dates: March 19,1899, Jan.1, 1891, Feb.1893, March 8, 1895, Sept.1894. Married?" No. Give names of your father-English name: Wesley Lott, Indian name none, Mother: Belona Jane Lott, Indian name: Chickalee, Maiden name: Belona Jane Perry. Where were they born? Father? "Don't know" Mother? Dell, Ark. Where did they reside in 1851, if living at that time? "Not yet born" Date of death your father and mother: Father: Jan.1897, Mother 1900. Were they ever enrolled for money with any tribe, annuities, land or other benefits?" No" Name all your brothers and sisters, giving ages, and residence, if possible: Name: 1. John W. Lott, born 3/10/1889, Living at Dell, Ark. 2.Charley Lott, born 1/1/1891, living, Dell, Ark.3. Robert C. Lott, born 2/1/1893, living, Dell, Ark.4.Samuel Y. Lott, born 3/8/1895, living, Dell, /Ark.,5.Minnie E. Lott, born 9/1897,living,Dell.,Ark. State English and Indian names of your grandparent on both fathers and mothers side, if possible: Fathers' side: "Don't know". Mothers' side" John Perry(no Indian name), Maatilda A. Perry. Indian name Matilda A. Chickalee Where were they born?"don't know"either Knoxville, Tenn., or Dell, Ark. Where did they reside in 1851, if living at that time? Grandparents Lott--can't say, grandfather Perry at Knoxville, Tenn. grandmother Perry, Dell, Ark. Give names of all their children, and residence, if possible: 1. Belona J. Perry-dead 2.Samuel Perry, Dell, Ark. 3.James R. Perry, dead 4. John W, Perry, Dell, Ark, 5, Edward F, Perry, Dell, Ark. 6. J.P. Perry, Burleson, Tenn. 7. Joe C. Perry, Jonesboro, Ark. 8. Charles H.L. Perry, Dell. Ark. Children's mother's name was Matilda Hector, her fathers' name was Samuel Hector. His fathers' name was William Remarks: "Her great grandfather Hector was 1/4 breed Cherokee. So regarded by all who knew him." Signed: John(his mark-x)-grandfather and guardian of above 5 minors named above. Date : Aug 21,1907. Notary Public, R. L. Williford. Two witness' were J.M. Milligan and John . Neidham, well acquainted with John Perry, known him for ten years and fifteen years Comments of Cherokee Cousins: If John Lott is your ancestor or relative, you should request a copy of John Perry's Miller roll application(#34708)as he should give info on an earlier generation of ancestors. John Lott and his siblings were rejected for the Miller Roll because the enrolling agent was unable to locate their ancestors on any earlier Cherokee roll. If John Lott is your ancestor or relative, your best bet for verifying Cherokee blood is to look at the county records (marriage, deeds, probates, wills, court cases, etc.) in those counties where your ancestors lived at various times to see if their Indian heritage is mentioned. This is almost a book, I know, but maybe it will help some of our Lott ancestors in their research. Thanks for the online Lotts Circle
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Thanks a bunch for typing all this in. I'm sending it around the circle and hope it helps someone. Seems like there were several Lott families in Arkansas and apparently many came from MS.
John
Date: 98-02-16 21:55:24 EST
From: Lucbick
To: JBarron933
I have a letter from my great uncle, John L. Lott, written March 10, 1965. He tells about his grandparents, Solomon and Martha Lott. John and Arthur Lott, brothers migrated to MS from GA possibly around 1780 to 1785. They settled on Pearl River and called it Lott's Bluff which later became Columbia.
"According to old records in Columbia, the Lotts donated several acres of land to Columbia for a townsite, plus two more acres for a courthouse and jail. The old Lott file was destroyed by certain persons, but a copy might be found in the State Archives in Jackson."
I have not been to Jackson to research this.
There is a hand written note on the letter that says Solomon's mother was Sarahan Lightfoot (half indian)
Send me your address and I will send you a copy of the letter if would like to have it.
He did not have any infomation on Solomon Lotts father--his guess was John Lott.
Lucy
Date: 02/17/98
To: Lucbick
In a message dated 98-02-14 23:10:12 EST, you write:
<< Is there anything I can look up for you in Marion County, Mississippi or surrounding area. I will be in Columbia this month. I usually go once a month to check on a 92 year old aunt. My uncle was very interested in his family--Lott and Tyner.
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Lucy, thanks for you kind offer. One thing I would be interested in in Columbia is a man named Carroll Watts. He was a genealogist who began working on the Lott/Watts family back in the '40s. The last contact I had with him was back in 1985 (I think). I don't know if he is still alive, but would like to know. Also would like to know the fate of his genealogy research if he is deceased. Did he donate it to the library or what?
John Barron
Date: 02/17/98
To: Lucbick
In a message dated 98-02-16 21:55:24 EST, you write:
<< I have a letter from my great uncle, John L. Lott, written March 10, 1965. He tells about his grandparents, Solomon and Martha Lott. John and Arthur Lott, brothers migrated to MS from GA possibly around 1780 to 1785. They settled on Pearl River and called it Lott's Bluff which later became Columbia.
"According to old records in Columbia, the Lotts donated several acres of land to Columbia for a town site, plus two more acres for a courthouse and jail. The old Lott file was destroyed by certain persons, but a copy might be found in the State Archives in Jackson." I have not been to Jackson to research this. There is a hand written note on the letter that says Solomon's mother was Sarahan Lightfoot (half Indian)
Send me your address and I will send you a copy of the letter if would like to have it. He did not have any information on Solomon Lotts father--his guess was John Lott.
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Very interesting! Yes, I would love to have a copy of the letter. Thank you for your interest and contributions to the Lott Circle.
John C. Barron
510 E. Braker Lane
Austin, TX 78753
Date: 02/17/98
To: Mik MP
In a message dated 98-02-17 10:39:59 EST, you write:
<< Hi, about John W. Lott, I was trying to research my gg grandfather, James L. Lott, who was born in Miss. about 1843, supposedly in Clarke Co. He was married to Elizabeth McGee Lott in 1865 in Miss. His father, we believe, and are trying to find out for sure, was Littleberry Lott from Ala. James L. Lott had a brother named John Lott, whom we thought might be the above John W. Lott, so we ordered the info from Cherokee Cousins to find out who he was. To answer the question if the above John W. Lott was born in 1845 in Miss, he was born on March 10, 1889 in Ark., according to the report, and there was no info on where and when he died. We would appreciate any info anyone has on James L. Lott, we know he was born in Miss. and died about 1901 in Texas. He was in the military, Com.F,8 Miss. Inf., and Co. H. 27 Miss. Inf. I have tried to get his military records with no success as yet. We believe either Littleberry or Jesse was his father, they both had sons named James Lott.
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I will try and find his confederate records. I have copied many Lott pension applications from the Texas State Archives and I have seen some from James Lott but have not gotten to them as yet.
John
Date: 02/17/98
To: lbarron@husc.harvard.edu, dflott@datastar.net
I have updated the John Lott descendant chart on my home page. It is a much improved version built in html format with hyperlinks forward and backward. Also included is a corresponding bibliography file. Please check it out and give me any recommendations, additions, etc.
John
Date: 02/17/98
To: Mik MP
In a message dated 98-02-17 12:42:39 EST, you write:
<< Thanks for the help on the confederate records at the Texas State Archives. I would appreciate getting a copy of James L. Lotts' pension records very much, the only real proof we have of his existence is an 1880 Texas census taken in Limestone Co., married to Lizzie, with children Viola(my grandmother) and her siblings, and we have Viola Lott Cheairs' death certificate with James Lott, birthplace, Miss.,as her father and Lizzie McGee, maiden name of her mother, birthplace, Miss
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Will do. If I remember right, I was abstracting Lott confederate pensions applications and when I got to James there was so much in it that I wanted to wait till I was fresher to do it. Of course, that was months ago and I sure don't mean to get your hopes up as I may be mistaken.
John
Date: 02/17/98
To: Mik MP
In a message dated 98-02-17 17:03:34 EST, you write:
<< Hi, and thanks for writing me. Don't worry about rushing to get the info, just wait until sometime when you are there, I mean don't just make a special trip to get it, because there is no real hurry. I heard from my brother that James L. was in a battle on Red Cloud Mountain in Tennessee, he and some others were on top of the mountain and fought off their foes for a while, but was captured and taken to Illinois, where he was in a prison camp for some time. This is just hear-say, sometimes the things we hear turn out to be wrong, but this was what he remembered as being told when he was a boy. He also thinks that our gg grandparents, James L. and Lizzie, lived in Austonio, Texas, the last years of their lifetime, near our grandmother Viola. I have pictures of her and her sisters, and a 16/20 picture of Viola Lott Cheairs and husband George Washington Cheairs.
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Thanks, John
Date: 02/18/98
To: augu19@aol.com
In a message dated 98-02-18 21:18:23 EST, you write:
<< My grandfather was born in Mississippi in the late 1800's. His name was Jesse Lott. He had 3 sons, Herston, Herbert, and Hershel Lott. I've just began this search and not sure if there is any relations or not. >>
Judy, would you like me to put you on our on-line Lott Circle mailing list of researchers? Check my home page and read some of our Lott Circle messages and you will see that we have made some progress. Do you know where in MS your family was from?
John Barron
Date: 02/18/98
To: lbarron@husc.harvard.edu, dflott@datastar.net
I have added a new set of data to my web page. It is a Lott family timeline which extends back to the 1650s. It consists of some 700-800 events which have a name, date, location, and source. The sources aren't there yet.
This set of data was created by the PAF event database program, RDF. RDF is a super product which, unfortunately, was under-utilized by PAF users and has now been discontinued in the new PAF3.
Using RDF you can sort and focus the data in such ways as to provide insights unthought of before. This data is, of course, frozen in date sequence and cannot be changed on the web page, but it still can provide some help in identifying ancestors.
John Barron
Date: 98-02-18 21:21:27 EST
From: gblair@ns.technonet.com (Gene Blair)
To: JBarron933@aol.com ('JBarron933@aol.com')
<< A witness to a deed need only be at least 14 years old >>
Was this true for southern states in general? I've never seen mention of it before.
John, I don't know. I'd never heard of it before Allan Poe told me. But Poe is in NC, and that old deed was witnessed in Amherst Co. VA, so it may have been universal.
Best Regards, Gene.
Date: 02/19/98
To: wesely@csionline.net
In a message dated 98-02-19 00:03:34 EST, you write:
<< Seeking info re: Thomas Watkins Lott, born June, 1844, Marion County, MS. Attempting to determine whether descendant of John, William or Arthur Lott. John & William accompanied Arthur into Mississippi Territory; after Arthur's death they continued on with Arthur's widow, settling in what is now Columbia, MS.
The second wife of Thomas W. Lott was Sarah Elisabeth Rawls and they had eight children: Rebecca 1879-1965, Sally 1891-?, John 1883-1970, Ruby 1892-1978, Margaret Ann 1885-?, George Herman 1890-1970, Mattie 1890-1928 and Solomon Clarence 1897-1970, all born in Marion County, MS. Mattie Lott Cook died in New Orleans, LA in 1928. George Lott settled in Shreveport, LA c. 1929. Margaret Ann Lott Gardner settled in Louisiana c. 1928. Clarence Lott settled in Natchez c. 1928. John Lott settled in Seattle, WA c. 1928.
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Thanks, Mona. I am routing your message to our group of Lott on-line researchers for their comments and information. Would you like me to add you to this mailing list?
Thomas W. Lott was the son of Solomon Lott and Martha Warren. This Solomon was a son of Arthur (killed by the Indians in 1812). If you will go to my web page (shown below) and click on the index to the descendants of John Lott you can find Thomas. Once you find him, clicking on his index entry it will take you to him in the descendant chart. If you like you can save the chart on your computer either as a .htm file or a .txt file.
Solomon was dead by 1850, but Thomas can be found in the census in his mother's household in Marion Co. He is mentioned as a descendant of Arthur in the "Indian Affairs Letter" which can also be found on the web page. Thanks for giving us the list of his children; I will add them to my records and eventually replace the John Lott descendant chart which will reflect your contribution to the family.
If you have more information on the Lott family, we would love to get it.
John Barron
Date: 02/19/98
To: WEETGRINDR
In a message dated 98-02-19 15:27:46 EST, you write:
<< Please put me on your Southern Lott Mailing List. I have two Lott lines. One is Aaron Lott born apx. 1676 of Chatham Co., NC. he had dau. Nancy Lott born appr. 1701 of Isle of Wight, VA married Nicholas Copeland.
The other Lott line (my husband's) is John Lott born abt. 1742 NC, died 1 Aug Tatnall, GA, married abt 1768 St. George Parish, GA md. Sallie and had Mark Lott born 2Jan 1769, Robert Lott born abt. 1773, Jesse Lott born abt. 1775.
Does this cost anything?
Dora L. Thompson
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Thanks, Dora, you're on; no charge. I don't have any information concerning Aaron Lott. However, I feel sure that all the early Lotts came from the Virginia tidewater country around the James River. What are your sources for Aaron, do you feel they are robust? Don't recall seeing reference to Lotts in Chatham Co., NC this early.
The John Lott supposedly born c1742 was the 3rd in a line of Johns the first of whom showed up in Bertie Co., NC, in 1733 in association with the Joyners from Isle of Wight Co. John3 was already married and had 3 children by 1764 when he got a land grant in St. George's Parish. His children (other then Mark) were named in probate proceedings in Washington Co., MS Terr in 1807. I think he died there and not in Georgia as Frances Blitch speculated in her DAR application in 1960.
Please check my web page for more about the family by clicking the following John Barron's Home Page . In it you will see a link to the descendants of John Lott as well as other research guides. In that you can find the line of John3. I would appreciate comments, corrections, and additions.
John Barron
Date: 02/19/98
To: garylott@JUNO.com
In a message dated 98-02-19 18:36:14 EST, you write:
<< IN A MESSAGE FROM MONA DATED 19,FEB,98, WE RECEIVED GOOD INFO, BUT STILL NEED MORE. RE: WHO WAS THOMAS WATKINS LOTT'S FIRST WIFE, AND DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE INFO ON SARAH ELIZABETH RAWLS, WAS SHE A SISTER OF JUDITH RAWLS MARRIED TO JOHN WATTS????
THANKS A LOTT garylott@juno.com
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Thanks, Gary, I agree it is good information. According to my CD Rom of marriage records, Thomas W. Lott married first Mary Elizabeth Magee in Marion Co. on 24 Jan 1866. I think they had one child, but Mary must have died young. I'm sure that Judith Rawls and Sarah Elizabeth Rawls may have been kin but, they could not have been sisters as Judith was much older. By the way there is considerable dispute as to whether Rawls was actually her surname, but there certainly were many Rawls families in Marion Co.
John Barron
Date: 98-02-19 20:24:20 EST
From: garylott@juno.com
To: JBarron933@aol.com
IN MESSAGE OF DORA THOMPSON FEB 19, 98 JOHN LOTT b. abt. 1742, NC DIED 1 AUG TATNALL, GA
MY INFO SHOWS THIS DEATH AS 1 JUL 1810 ALSO SON MARK LOTT b. 2JAN 1769//////MY INFO SHOWS 22 JAN 1769 YOUR INFO ADDED 2 CHILDREN TO WHAT I HAD {ROBERT AND JESSE}
THANKS A LOTT garylott@juno.com
Date: 98-02-19 23:23:33 EST
From: katmon@dave-world.net
To: jbarron933@aol.com
Hi,
It was recommended to me that I check out your home page for a connection to my husband's Mississippi LOTT line. Well, I looked at the descendant chart you have on-line, along with the messages of the LOTT Circle, but couldn't find a definite link. I wish I could! You have a lot of great info posted!
Just on the off-chance that you've received info since updating your pages (I didn't notice when they were posted), I thought I'd present the bare info I have. My husband's family isn't very forthcoming with info, so it has been slow going -- especially since the genealogy library here in IL hasn't a thing on Mississippi! Here's the line:
Jack LOTT -- supposedly born in Hancock County (that's what it said on one of his son's death certificate); don't know when born; married Mary E. NELSON, also supposedly born in Hancock Co., MS. They had about 13 children -- I know the names or nicknames of 7: William, Ernest, "Red", "Doc", John Wilson (see next), Louisa, & Cordialla. There were 4 more boys and 2 more girls whose names I don't know.
John Wilson LOTT -- born 17 Jul 1868 in Hancock Co., MS; died 1 Mar 1954 in Hancock Co., MS; married twice, I think -- (1) widowed from Sarah Elizabeth SMITH (don't know if they had children), then (2) left by another woman, possibly by the name of Verna? They had 3 children: Prentiss, Zella (see next), & Dallas. I was told that John got 1 section of land when Mississippi was opened to homesteaders. John was a wagon master, cabinet maker, "water witch", carpenter, ....
Zella LOTT -- born 23 Mar 1906 in Flat Top, Hancock Co., MS; died 16 Aug 1990 in Vicksburg, Warren Co., MS; married twice: (1) Arthur Lucien BOURGEOIS [ended in divorce] & (2) Francis William LEE, who served in the MS legislature from 1948 - 1952. I have further details, if you're interested about kids, etc.
There's a family story that one of the female ancestors of the LOTT line had a surname of PHILLIPS, and came to the U.S. in the mid-1700s from the present-day Norway-Denmark-Sweden area. She came with her 2 sisters and her father, John PHILLIPS. 1 of the sisters died on the boat coming over. Her mother had died back in Europe, I guess. I don't have any proof of this; it's just a story shared by one of my husband's relatives recently.
Any clues at all?
Thanks for your time!
Date: 02/19/98
To: wesely@csionline.net
In a message dated 98-02-19 20:42:36 EST, you write:
<< Thanks for your help. At least those 2 pieces of the Lott puzzle fell into place, as well as that of claim to Choctaw blood.
Based upon what facts we have been able to ascertain and interpret, this is our Lott tale thus far:
Three brothers, John, William and Arthur set out from either North Carolina or Georgia (accounts vary) around 1800 for the newly formed Mississippi Territory. They settled in what is now Columbia, Mississippi, initially called Lott's Bluff. Arthur was killed by Indians either in 1809 or 1812, depending upon the source. Arthur and Sara Clapp had numerous children, one of which was Solomon Lott, born c. 1796.
Solomon married Martha Warren on or about January 9, 1823 and produced several children. One son, Thomas Watkins Lott, was born on June 20, 1844. He enlisted in the Confederate Army at the age of 17 and apparently was a much decorated local hero. He lived his entire life in Columbia, Mississippi.
Thomas Watkins Lott was married twice. His first marriage was to Sarah Elizabeth Magee, who was a sister of Other Magee. Five children were born of that marriage: Siam and Jesse, who moved to Tulula, Louisiana; a daughter who married Guy Hatborn and lived in Oxford, Mississippi; a daughter who married one W.E. Tyler and settled in Pinebur, MS; and Thomas Jr. who died in 1915.
Thomas W. Lott next married Sarah Elizabeth Rawls and they had eight children: Rebecca, 1879-1965; Sally 1891-?; John 1883-1970; Ruby 1892-1978; Margaret Ann 1885-?; George Herman 1890-1970; Mattie 1890-1928; Solomon Clarence 1897-1970. Mattie Lott Cook died in New Orleans in 1928. Margaret Ann Gardner was last known to reside in Louisiana. Solomon Clarence was last known to live in Natchez. Sally or Rebecca married one Bob Ritche and settled in Pinebur, MS and either Sally or Rebecca married a Mr. Ford and resided in Angie, LA. John settled in Seattle, WA and George in Louisiana. In 1929, Sally was married to a Mr. Daniela and resided in Pinebur.
Thomas Watkins Lott died in February, 1927 and Sarah Elizabeth Rawls Lott died in February, 1929. Both died in Marion County, MS.
Ruby Lott was married at least twice, possibly 3 times. The questionable marriage was possibly to a Mr. Holt, and most likely was prior to her marriage to a Mr. Lowrey. She had one daughter, Mary, born between 1908 - 1912. Mary died in Virginia in the summer of 1993. The union of Ruby to Mr. Lowery produced a son, Harold Raymond, in 1915. Harold Raymond Lowery is still living and resides in Meridianville, AL. On May 21, 1919 Ruby Lott Holt Lowery married Andrew Jackson Beck in Muscogee County, GA. They later settled in New Orleans for a while. Ruby gave birth in New Orleans on April 25, 1928 to Andrew Jackson Beck, Jr.. Andrew Jackson Beck, Sr. died in Alabama in 1972.
Andrew Jackson Beck, Jr. married Roberta Anna Wasilewski in Alabama in 1947. Their union produced Ramona on 9/17/48 and Veronica on 10/4/59. Andrew, Jr. died suddenly on 9/3/93. Roberta died on 2/20/94. Both died in Los Angeles County, CA and are buried at Forest Lawn Cemetery in Glendale, CA.
Ramona married Lawrence Allen Wesely on 9/14/68 and they live in Toms River, NJ. Ramona and Lawrence had two children: Louis Andrew born 5/8/71 and Jennifer Jean born 7/2/72. Jennifer married Harry Ross Lane, Jr. on 5/11/96.
Veronica married D