THIRSK*
Some identified information needs remain: UPDATED!! Sept 09
Friday 3 Jan 03 18:22 EST - submitted electronic request at http://www.sos.state.il.us/departments/archives/contact1.html for 1865 census as follows:
Thomas Thirsk lived at 102 Erie street in 1868 Chicago, Illinois city directory so 16th ward (using 1863 ward boundaries).
In 1868 Henry Thirsk lived at 72 Vincennes Rd, which I believe was in ward 4 of 1863 wards. He is the son of Thomas Thirsk above.
12 September 2003 received response. Found Thomas Thirsk in Deerfield Township, Lake county Illinois (p99 2, 35?) - where he was in 1860 census. Henry lived in Chicago in 1864, as listed above. Thomas thus moved to Chicago between 1865 census and 1868 reference to 102 Erie St. No results for Henry in 1865 census.
Henry Thirsk was living at "Lake Ave, near Wahpanseh Ave" in 1864, probably with father-in-law (or soon-to-be) Benjamin Garside.
FHC film # 1000739
Chicago city directory 1865-6:
No Thirsk entries.
Chicago city directory 1869:
Ø Thirsk, Henry, painter, r. 72 Vincennes Av
Ø Thirsk, Thomas, Agent, r 102 E Erie
Ø Thirsk, Thomas T marble cutter, r 88 W. White
FHC Film # 1000740
Chicago city directory 1870:
Ø Thirsk, Henry, painter, r. 72 Vincennes Av
Ø Thirsk, Thomas, shoemaker, r 102 Erie
Ø Thirsk, Thomas T marble cutter, Jacob Schureman r 71 Sedgwick (Jacob Schureman S. Propr Marble & Granite Works, 210 Clark, r 420 Michigan Av)
Chicago city directory 1872: (1871 edition avail but diff format, incomplete, no Garside/Thirsks in avail copy) ($3.00 price tag back in 1872)
Ø Thirsk, Henry, painter, r. 72 Vincennes Av
Ø Thirsk, Thomas, r 102 Erie
Ø (no Jacob Schureman entry, poss fire related, 1871 edition did have Schureman, J L Marble, Michigan Av, NE Cor Park Row, Late Clark, nw cor Adams)
FHC Film # 1000744
Chicago city directory 1880:
Ø Thirsk J W clerk 121 state house 102 Erie
Ø Thirsk Mary miss, bookbndr house 102 Erie
Ø Thirsk Thomas, clerk, house 102 Erie
Ø Thirsk Thomas T, foreman 200 Michigan av house 346 Dayton
Ø Thirst William, lab, house 802 Erie (unsure if related or not, possible spelling errors)
Chicago city directory 1881:
Ø Thirsk, John W, bkpr, house 102 Erie
Ø Thirsk, Thomas, clerk house 102 Erie
Ø Thirsk Thomas T marble cutter house 346 Dayton
Ø Thirsk W J bkpr, 121 state boards 102 Erie
Chicago city directory 1882:
Thirsk entries far too light to discern
In addition, the following Chicago, Illinois city directories:
Thirsk: 1862 1864 1868 1873 1874-5 1876-7 1878 1879 1882 1883 1884 1885 1886 1887 1888 1889 1890 1891
Index to birth records Cook co Ill from 1871 to 1916 microfich at LDS:
· Thirsk, H Sarah Mar 24 1872 Chicago
· M Sarah Jan 25 1874
· J Maggie Jan 04 1885
· J Margaret May 1887 Cook county
· Lucile A. Jan 23 1912
· Robert May 28 1904
· Robert W. Dec 14 1913
· Stanley Apr 29 1896
· T Alice APR 08 1872
· Thirst J Sarah Mar 09 1909
Freeman Thirsk (brother of Henry) is listed in the 1878 tax records Richland township, also 1879. 1874 residence list Richland township also has a Robert and Mary Thirsk, according to some notes Jean Leighton took. Richland is a township of Cowley County Kansas. Robert and Mary are also in the 1880 Richland, Cowley County, Kansas federal census. It appears as if this Robbert is Henry's brother and no other Thirsk families appear in this 1880 census. This may indicate a possible motive for Henry’s move southwest. Robert Thirsk in Cowley County tax records 1872 - 1874 - 1881 from this
Born - daughter - F A Thirsk 12-29-1935 Mary Elizabeth
No civil war record for Henry Thirsk as of 18 May 1998.
Thomas Thirsk b @ 1807, (NOT christened 13 Sept 1812 [from IGI] - as correctly pointed out by Margaret Taylor in Sept. 2005 and another email) Mary Anne Threadgold born @ 1812 christened 15 Oct 1812. The family's page from Familysearch.org has the following dates for Thomas:
| Thomas THIRSK (AFN:3GKV-8R) |
| Born: | 21 Jul 1807 | Place: | Southcliff, Yorkshire, England | ||
| Christened: | 23 Aug 1807 | Place: | Northcave, Yorkshire, England | ||
| Died: | 23 Sep 1882 | Place: | Chicago, Cook, Il | ||
| Buried: | Place: | Graceland Cemetery, Chicago Maingate picture The main entrance to Graceland Cemetery faces southwest at the corner of Clark and Irving Park streets. | |||
| Father: | Robert THRUSK OR (THIRSK) (AFN:C7L4-69) | ||
| Mother: | Anne MARSHALL (AFN:C7L4-7G) | ||
From http://www.red1st.com/tng603/getperson.php?personID=I480080555&tree=Axholme (Dec '08) comes this John Threadgold Group Sheet (and this Threadgold Group Sheet of his father Robert) and finally this Thomas Thirsk family Group Sheet). Death register narrowing Ann (Freeman) Threadgold's death to the third quarter (July-September) 1850.
Threadgold (DDSA/589 3 May 1808) and Freeman/Taylor (DDCV2/68/3 26 - 27 July 1786 ) information supporting first few generations from British National Archives.
From Aug 2009 UK visit:
Map of Howden, Yorkshire, England
Pictures of Howden town center 1 2 3
1839 tax evaluation list with Ann (Freeman) Threadgold and her brother George Freeman - neither were identified in the 1826 valuation lists
1841 District 1, Howden, Yorkshire UK Census returns for Ann (Freeman) Threadgold and her brother George Freeman - both lived on Pinfold street, immediately to the West of the Howden Minster.
George Freeman tombstone in Howden Minster graveyard (#632 in this and this map) - Ann (Freeman) Threadgold's tombstone was not located despite her date and location of death
Historian (and source of all of the above) Mr Ken Powls
Some pictures of the Minster - INSIDE: 1 2 3 4 5 6 - OUTSIDE: 1058 59 60 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 1087
* Freeman/Taylor info from http://slb-archives.hull.ac.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=NaviTree.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqItem=DDCV/x2/68&dsqField=RefNo
Laxton land tax records from LDS film #1596738 - These land tax records start with our Thomas Freeman in 1787. 1 shilling 1.5 pence of tax. 2 shillings, 1.5 pence in 1788. 1791 amount appears to be 1 shilling, 9 pence. The remainder of the records (always assessed in summer) always showed Tho Freeman, but starting in 1792 Thomas began to rent to Cornelius Cogin and others. From 1801 to 1803 Thomas Freeman's son in law John Threadgold lived on Freeman land. By 1804, the Threadgolds had moved to Howden. After 1812 Thomas Freeman's rent did not change. - Note several additional years extant but not captured as the data was exactly the same as surrounding years. In 1828 we learn that the by now 5 shillings was for "Houses and Gardens" Bolded year is Tho. Freeman entry. 1787 1788 1789 1790 1791 1791 1792 1792 1793 1794 1795 1795 1796 1797 1797 1799 1800 1801 1801 1802 1803 1804 1804 1805 1805 1806 or 1807 1808 1810 1811 1812 1813 1813 1814 1814 1815 1816 1816
There may be a (currently unlocated) record to prove that Thomas Thirsk and Mary Anne Threadgold married 28 Dec 1830 in North Newbald, Yorkshire, England (map) and had the following children:
1.
Anne
christened 26 June 1831 Yapham Cum Meltonby
2.
Henry Born
21 Mar 1833 - christened (IGI)
10 Mar 1833 " "
3.
Jane
(c-IGI) 27 Sept 1835 " "
4.
Tom Threadgold (c-IGI)
03 Sept 1837 " "
5.
Emma
(c-IGI) 30 June 1839 " "
6.
Robert
(c-IGI)
20 June 1841 in Millington
7.
Hannah
(c-IGI)
02 June 1843 " "
8.
(IGI
says
Sarah born 1844 or 1845 in Millington,
died 6 Dec 1874)
9.
Ida
born @ 1847 (IGI says Ada Thirsk born 15 Apr 1847 Millington, died 11 Aug 1865)
10.
Freeman
(c-IGI)
22 July 1849 " "
11.
Manna
born @ 1852 (IGI says
Maria born
22 Nov 1851 Millington)
Ellen - 9 Jan 1854 - from Files LDS submission
12.
John
W. born @ 1856 in Illinois (IGI says John William christened 1856 in
Millington)
Many of the details above are new and come from Files LDS submission
From Margaret Taylor <[email protected]> 15 Oct 2005, this 1841 Millington, East Yorkshire, England census image - bigger - proving, finally, Henry as a son of Thomas, and this 1851 census image (HO107/2357 Page 7 Folio 355) of Thomas and wife Mary. He was a shoemaker born South Cliff.Yks. Another copy of the 1851 image - Thank you Margaret!!
Henry Thirsk in
1851 British census - as an apprentice, which explains his absence from his
father's returns.
Around 1854 Thomas and Mary Ann emmigrated to the USA. - Update! Peter Threadgold passes along the date of May 15th, 1854 on the ship Australia from Liverpool to New York! Thomas Thirsk and 10 children, not including Anne. A copy of the shipping document - pt2 - 23 Dec 04. - A larger copy from Ancestry.com Oct '06 - difficult to make out occupation as a shoemaker ("Shoer").
By 1860, son Henry was not living in Illinois w/ Thomas, but was in the big city of St. Louis, Missouri, probably learning or engaging in his career of painting.
During the period 1866 – 1872, Thomas and his family still lived in Illinois.
Henry moved his family and are found from @ 1877 - 1885 in Wisconsin. His father Thomas remained in Chicago (Erie street is in ward 18 and 20 in 1875 map at bottom of page), and spent the remainder of his life there. He lived at 102 Erie street from at least 1868 until his death, and his wife kept the place until around 1888, when she moved to 1251 North Halsted street. It must have been difficult leaving over 20 years of memories behind.
Thomas's obituary Change in funeral Mary's obituary - Thanks Colleen!
Henry next moved southwest in late 1885 or 1886 and they are found from @ 1887 – 1900 in Cowley county Kansas. It is possible that his removal to Kansas coincided with his mother’s movement to a different residence, although it looks as if Henry moved at least two years prior, but no more is known at this time. Perhaps probate papers can add details later.
According to Clover Thirsk's history of the family, Henry Thirsk & Sarah Garside married @ June 1865 and had the following children: [Note, in Jan' 06, Illinois marriage database STILL does not list Henry and Sarah's marriage. Either early records are incomplete or the marriage did not occur in Illinois as is believed] This Family Group Sheet was submitted by Loyd Files
1.
Ada
@ 1867 Ill (IGI says 23 Nov 1866)
2.
Benjamin
July 1868 " died 9-13-1952 (IGI says 16 July 1868)
3.
(IGI
says child here George Thirsk b 8 July 1870 Chicago,
died 23 Apr 1874)
4.
Albert
23 Mar 1872 " Chicago died 28 Apr 1931
5.
(IGI
says female Frances Thirsk b 14 feb 1874 in Chicago died 16 July 1874)
6.
(IGI
says Jessie Alice Thirsk b 2 Mar 1875 Hingham, Sheboygan, WI died 17 Feb 1880)
7.
Grace
@ 1877 in Wisconsin (IGI says Lillian Grace b 16 Jan 1877 in Hingham,
died 27
Jun 1960 Grand Junction, Mesa Co., bur 1 July same)
8.
Joseph
Dec 1878 " (IGI says Joseph Eugene Thirsk b 18 Dec 1879 Sheboygan, died 19
Nov 1964)
9.
(IGI
says Ivy Belle Thirsk b. 20 Oct 1880 Hingham, died 13 May 1966)
10.
Alford
Oct 1882 " (IGI says Alfred Leroy Thirsk b 26 Oct 1882 Hingham, died 4 Apr
1967)
11.
Eulodia
Mar 1885 " (IGI says Edna Eulodia b 5 Mar 1885 Hingham, died 29 sept 1949)
12.
Walter
P May 1887 Kansas (IGI says Walter Thomas Thirsk b 5 may 1887 Winfield Cowley
KS, died 10 mar 1933)
13.
Clover
B Mar 1891 Kansas (IGI says Clover Burdett Thirsk born 29 Mar 1890 Winfield)
14.
(IGI
says Henry Thirsk b 12 Sept 1892, died 21 Oct 1894)
Thomas Thirsk in Deerfield town, Lake County, Illinois 1860 federal census
Possible Thomas Thirsk in 1860 agricultural census returns pt2 - most neighbors do not appear to match, though some do
Thomas Thirsk and family in Lake county, Deerfield township (still) in 1865 Illinois state census pt1 pt2 * single image from Ancestry.com - 02 Aug 08
Thomas Thirsk in 18th Ward, Chicago, Cook County Illinois federal census for 1870
1860 federal census Henry Thirsk in St Louis Co Mo. Census pg 991 Meramec Township Fenton Post Office, at the very southern end of the County
Henry Thirsk 1870 federal census 5th ward Chicago, Ill census
Thirsk, Thomas pg 231 1880 Chicago census Ed 183
Henry Thirsk in 1880 in Sheboygan Co Wisconsin
NEW! Ancestry.com has this from Sheboygan Press which amplifies Henry's artistic side, as a member of the first Hingham Methodist church choir!
Henry Thirsk in 1880 soundex in Wisc
Henry Thirsk in 1900 in Cowley Co Kansas
Henry Thirsk in 1905 Walnut township, Cowley County Kansas state census A B
Henry Thirsk in Fort Worth, Tarrant, Texas 1910 federal census - based on the 1925 map above, the census taker apparently moved among the streets freely, not really having any specific discernable pattern.
Henry Thirsk death certificate - he died in August 1917 in Tarrant County, Texas. A 1925 map from http://www.tsl.state.tx.us/arc/maps/images/map4010.jpg about 1/3 down the picture, middle, just SouthEast of the "Niles City" text is Boulevard St, Lee St, Lincoln street area where Henry lived and died. His block (the obituaries agree with the death cert that he lived at 1507 Boulevard St) was just to the Northeast of the "NC" in Lincoln.
Henry Thirsk's obituary from the Fort Worth [Texas] Star Telegram: 4th of August 1917 5th of August 1917 - Thanks, Joyce!
Henry Thirsk Tombstone - Thanks, Joyce!
Joseph Thirsk in Walnut township, Cowley County Kansas 1900
Benjamin G Thirsk in Liberty township, Cowley County Kansas 1900
"Bert" (Albert Henry) Thirsk in District 53 Liberty township, Cowley County Kansas 1900 federal census as a single laborer - Ancestry.com
Albert Henry Thirsk in 1905 Richland township, Cowley County Kansas state census A B
Albert Henry Thirsk and Lillie Daisy Bonnett in 1910 Tisdale township, Cowley Co Kansas census
Benjamin G Thirsk in Walnut township, Cowley county Kansas 1910
Robert Thirsk in Winfield City, Cowley County Kansas 1910
Albert Henry Thirsk 1915 Tisdale township, Cowley County Kansas state census A B
Albert and Lillie Thirsk reference in Cowley county history book
Albert Henry Thirsk family in 1920 Tisdale Township, Cowley County Kansas federal census Pt2 Top
Albert Henry Thirsk family in 1925 Tisdale Township, Cowley County Kansas state census pt2 - Ancestry.com
Albert Henry Thirsk family in 1930 Tisdale Township, Cowley County Kansas federal census
Some of Jean Leighton's Thirsk notes
More of Jean's Thirsk notes and Albert's transcribed obit
Thomas Threadgold Thirsk pension application cover page - from Ancestry.com
Thomas T Thirsk 1888 voting record 1 2 3 4
Thomas T Thirsk 1890 voting record
Modern map around Yapham where Henry Thirsk was born
Sarah Hanah (Garside) Thirsk went to Mesa County Co in 1924 - From http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/
Part 2 of the description of Sarah H Thirsk's land in Mesa County, Colorado - From http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/
Sarah's recounting of efforts to secure this land - Response - and this of unknown significance - from Files LDS submission
Sarah's statement - (and this update?) indicate Henry had naturalization papers at one time and they were still extant in 1923 even though Sarah's granddaughter didn't have them yet - from Files LDS submission
Picture of Sarah H Garside and Jessie Holmes. Sarah is the one sitting down, it is unknown which of the others is Jessie or whom the third might be. - Thanx Becky!!
Sarah helping grandson get his birth certificate - draft statement * signed statement - response from the Department of the Interior - from Files LDS submission
Sarah Thirsk 1 2 reminiscences of Cordelia Files submitted to LDS
Sarah Thirsk information from death certificate
Sarah Thirsk's obituary - Thanks Amy!
Fruita Elmwood Cemetery, Appleton, Mesa County, Colorado which lists Sarah H (Garside) Thirsk
Thirsk newspaper clippings part 1 - Thanks Amy!
Thirsk newspaper clippings part 2 - Thanks Amy!
Locations of Thirsk families in England - Thanks Arthur!
Albert Henry Thirsk death certificate
Albert Henry Thirsk tombstone at Highland Cemetery (map) Winfield, Cowley County, Kansas - from Find-a-Grave.com
Mabel B Thirsk death Certificate
Close-up of the locations of the majority of the Thirsk families in England - Thanks Arthur!
Map of Pocklington and Millington, East Yorskshire, England. When compared to above map from Arthur, we can see that Thomas moved his family North from his birthplace in South Cliff. We can see that Howden (to the Southwest of Southcliff) is even further away from where our Thirsk family resided in 1841 and 1851.
Joseph E Thirsk's memorial service handout - Thanks Amy!
Freeman Thirsk's wife's family page
Some information about the wards of Chicago and the great fire of 8 – 10 October, 1871
Cordelia Files LDS recollections 64MB! - submitted with Loyd Files Thirsk and Garside genealogy input
William Garside bap Sheffield,Yorkshire 15 Oct 1786, bur 22
March 1863 Worksop
src
marr 2 Dec 1811 Ann Scholey bap Sheffield 11 Nov 1787, bur 14
Dec 1870 Worksop
src
William was the son of Joseph Garside b c 1760, bur 6 Nov 1835, Worksop
marr 25 Nov 1783 Elizabeth Taylor bap Blyth, Nottinghamshire 12 March 1762, bur
28 Sept 1832 Worksop
IGI info#1
IGI info#2
Their marriage certificate gives Joseph's father's name as John. - Later
amplification - way back, I think I told you Joseph Garside [born c 1760]
had father John on his marriage cert to Elizabeth Taylor. That wasn't so - no father's name appears. I can't think what made me think that there was. I still
have no documentary evidence for Joseph's parentage or where he was born.
- Thanx Chris for the clarification.
I have
found Joseph son of John Garside bap 13 May 1757, Thrybergh Yorkshire
[not far from Worksop] and John Garside marrying Ann Gray there 12 May 1754
and strongly suspect that this is 'our' family but I haven't yet got the proof!
Jan '06 Email as to locations and
sources.
Joseph and Elizabeth's children were:
1.
Sarah
bap Tickhill, Yorkshire 1784,
2.
William bap 1786 Sheffield,
3.
Thomas
bap 1788 Sheffield,
4.
Meliscent
bap 1791 Worksop
5.
Elizabeth
bap 1790 Worksop,
6.
Joseph
bap 1794 Worksop
7. Benjamin bap 1796 Worksop - Sr brother in Timber business, removed brother Joseph from directories as son Joseph (Mr Worksop born 10 Aug 1820) matured into business c 1843. Benjamin married Maria Reynolds 19 July 1819, and died between 1851-61 census, Joseph's obit states c. 1858, BMD index has two entries for Benjamin, Worksop 1854 and 1855 - there is also an 1859 Lincolnshire death His tombstone (used as a makeshift fence around Worksop Priory in August 2009) states he died 7 Jan 1854
8.
Robert
bap 1798 Worksop,
9.
Ann
bap 1801 Worksop,
10. Mary bap 1803 Worksop
William and Ann's children were:
1.
Joseph
1812,
2.
Thomas
1814 [Chris's gg grandfather],
3.
William
1817,
4.
Benjamin
1819 [Kelly's interest],
5.
Sarah
1822,
6.
Mary
Ann 1825,
7.
Catherine
1826,
8. George 1828
all born Worksop
Worksop land tax records from LDS film #1278903 - This land tax, started in 1798, but 1804 has James or Joseph Champion renting to Garside family. This is first reference in tax records to Garside though above births indicate Garsides were living in Worksop for over a decade. In 1805, Frances Drury was renting to Garside & others. The remainder of the records (always assessed in summer) always showed Drury, 3 lbs assessed value, 3 shillings tax until 1807. After 1807 the rent did not change, 5 shillings. - Note several additional years extant but not captured as the data was exactly the same as surrounding years. In 1828 we learn that the by now 5 shillings was for "Houses and Gardens" Bolded year is Garside entry. 1804 1804 1804 1805 1806 1807 1807 1808 1808 1819 1819 1827 1827 1828 1828 1831 1831 - New! June 2010
No reference to Garside family or Boundary Inn in Pigot's 1822 or Pigot's 1828/9 Nottinghamshire directories.
William White' 1832 directory of Nottinghamshire Garside entries page 476 <- Is this Benjamin (1819)'s older brother born/died in 1812? 477 - Probably Benjamin's father and two uncles. Believe (06 Sept 09) that this was 1794 Joseph as Boundary Inn owner, who also was jr partner in brother Benjamin's lumber business. Brother William (Benjamin's father) also listed. Joseph sr. not listed possibly retired by this time.
No mention yet found in 1841 census for Garside name or Boundary Inn on Potter Street.
Garside families in 1841 1851 1861 Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England Census returns
1841 Newgate St
William Garside 50 {adult ages rounded down} Sawyer
Ann wife 50
Benjamin 20 Cooper
George 10
From Christine Mounfield comes this valuable information (Thanx again Chris!):
In 1851 Benjamin was an innkeeper, aged 31, at the Boundary Inn [which still
stands] with Frances [31] and children Sarah [3], George [2] & Benjamin
[under 1 month] and a lodger and 2 servants.
In 1841 Benjamin, a cooper, aged 20+ [This census didn't give actual ages.]
was in Newgate Street with his parents William, a sawyer, and Ann and
younger brother George [10+].
Some additional records to decipher the Garside relations, all from Worksop Public Library collection, New August 2009!:
Electoral registers 1838-1859 on 35 Microfiche slides - Northern Division of Nottinghamshire - 1844 (fiche 11 of 35), 1846 (fiche 13 of 35), 1847 (fiche 14 of 35), 1848 (fiche 16 of 35), 1853 (fiche 24 of 35) - all say same thing, Benjamin Garside as lumber czar, and brother Joseph (1794 Joseph) on Potter Street.
Business directories: White's 1844 A B, Kelly's 1849 Post Office Directory (same as Archive CD Books, above), Slater's 1850, White's 1853 (title page unavailable on Microfiche) - missed on fiche but found later: Benjamin and Boundary Inn in 1853 White's directory and 1853 cover from Ancestry.com 08 Sept 09.
1850 endorsement of George Mayor (died 1893) for a public position signed by Benjamin Garside 1 2 (source)
1852 election for Worksop Local Board of Health - 1 2 3 4 5 6 (source) - Garside kin only
1855 election for Worksop Local Board of Health - cousin Joseph Garside (Mr Worksop) was running and this appears to have brought out Benjamin Garside and probable father William Garside 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 (source)
Our Benjamin's brother William's 1870 will A B C D leaving all to cousin Joseph Garside (Mr Worksop) and Mr Worksop's 1893 obituary (light print is difficult to read) A B C - It is possible that with Benjamin's move to the US, William had no one else to leave his interest in the timber industry to if his other brother had died.
1853
White's directory description of Worksop and the priory
Pictures of Priory outside inside1 inside2 altar
Another
picture of
Priory Church of St Mary & St
Cuthbert, Worksop -
found
at http://www.oldnotts.co.uk/churches/index.htm - 8 Dec 02
The
'altar' was the font, or baptism bowl, that
Joseph (his
home),
son of Benjamin bap 1796, brother of William who married
Ann, donated to
Priory Church –
Thanks Sheila!!
Information on Joseph Garside from website http://www.nottsfhs.org.uk/society/journals/jan94.htm - look for blue text
From David Foster and his CD of some England
city directories (this one from Worksop, Nottinghamshire in 1855) - available
from http://www.direct-resources.uk.com/range.htm Thank you David!
These names appear in Worksop:
Garside. Mrs
Carlton rd
Garside Benj & son English & foreign timber merchant Abbey wharf
Garside Benj & son Steam saw mills & general turner Abbey wharf
Garside Benj Tavernkeeper Boundary Inn Potter st
Garside Thos Timber merchant Gatsford st
And
Chris provides the following amplification of the directory:
Many thanks for the latest
information. I can get you a present day photo of the Boundary Inn and maybe an
old picture from Worksop library local history section…in a couple of weeks.
I think Gatsford should be Gateford, which was a small settlement on the edge
of Worksop and has now been incorporated into town. Abbey Wharf isn't on modern
maps. It might have been an area to unload timber and other goods on the canal
near the woodyard and Brewery. There's presently a Garside Street in the same
area.
The Thomas mentioned is my Thomas, brother of your Benjamin, innkeeper. The
other Benj, timber merchant etc was their uncle [bap 1796 d 1854]. Mrs Garside
[nee Maria Reynolds] was his widow. Benj had established a timber yard and his
son Joseph went into the business. When the railway came to the area they made
a great deal of money supplying the timber for sleepers etc. Joseph
subsequently became one of the richest men in Worksop and quite a ruthless
business man by all accounts! I have quite a lot of census info, which you may
not have access to:
Chris
provides the following new data on first day of 2001 :
At long last here are the Boundary Inn pictures (I hope!). 1 2 If you don't receive a clear image or would like the original photo's, let me have your address and I'll post them on to you. The back of the building has been so much altered that I didn't think it worth a photo! My husband was responsible for including me - to give you an idea of scale!!! You can just make out where two windows have been bricked up above the doorway and the street sign for Boundary Row [where other Garsides lived] on the side.
When I have time I intend to seek out Victorian street maps
of Worksop and mark where all the different Garside families lived. Like most
UK towns, Worksop has changed enormously since 1900. [ When I was a student in
1963 I delivered the Christmas mail in Boundary Row which was then a terrace of
small two-storey cottages. Now there are only a couple of houses standing.]
Address of - Boundary Inn - 69 Potter St, Worksop, Nottinghamshire, S80 2HQ - Tel. 01909 473864 - White's 1864 Nottinghamshire directory states Boundary Inn was 71 Potter street and was owned by James Long (page 645). Garsides are listed on page 640 and include Joseph Carlton House, Mrs Mary 78 Potter St, Maria 7 Cheapside, and William 139 Carlton Rd.
Worksop, Potter street (Sarah Hannah Garside's birthplace) pictures (thanx 2cs!): 1 2 3 4 5 6
Worksop, Nottinghamshire map (also provided by 2cs) Jan 06 Clarification from Chris as to relative location of things (puts pix above into perspective)
More Worksop Links:
Priory History beginning - 8 pages long
Worksop town pictures - current look at Worksop
Worksop town pictures2 1890's to 1960's view of Worksop
Worksop Priory from an architectural viewpoint - excellent page of detailed pictures!
Another Worksop map - apparently based upon what Worksop might have looked like many years ago
Some interesting pictures (and commentary) of West entrance to Priory
Large plan of Priory (accessible through history link above, but convenient here, as well)
Frances Kennen was daughter of Henry Kennen and Hannah Norton. 1851 & 1861 census returns for Henry and Hannah in the industrial city of Sheffield in South Yorkshire, to the West-Northwest of Worksop by about 10 miles - The family line - Thank you Sheila B!
Henry Kennen was born in Abbots Bromley, (more detailed map) East of Stafford, famous for its annual Horn Dance. Hannah was from Market Harborough south of Nottingham and East of Birmingham. Hannah died sometime during the 3rd quarter of 1874 (England's BMD registry states this occurred in Ecclesall Bierlow district in Derbyshire) according to Sheila Beer's email of 23 Nov 06. LDS site has 11 Nov 1787 Christening record for Ann Scholey, daughter of John and Sarah Scholey at Cathedral Saint Peter, Sheffield, Yorkshire, England which may support Marjorie's lineage chart slightly.
In this map, Market Harborough is about 7 miles (off the map) from the the Southeast corner, so around 40 miles from Worksop. Abbots Bromley is about 30 miles to the Southwest of Worksop. Source
Benjamin Garside & Frances Kennen are reported in the LDS databases (and Chris's files) as marrying 16 Dec 1845 (Another from Files LDS submission) - Sheffield, York, Eng. It would appear that the Marriage Index online at Ancestry.com supports this information. Benjamin Garside entry Frances Kennen entry - New Jan '06!
1.
Sarah
Hannah Garside
21 Apr 1847 Worksop Nottingham
2.
(IGI
says George Garside
11 Sept 1848
Worksop, died 1939)
3.
(IGI
says Benjamin Garside
15 Mar 1851 Worksop, died 14 Jul 1936)
4.
Frances
Garside 18 Dec 1852 " " (IGI says born same date in Worksop, died 26
Nov 1940)
5.
(IGI
says Joseph Garside born
28 Nov 1854 Worksop, died 26 Dec 1919 Stringtown,
Atoka, OK)
6.
Henry
Kennen Garside
06 Nov 1856 " " (IGI says born same date Worksop, died
16 Jan 1910)
7.
(IGI
says Ann S Garside born Jun 1859 Detroit Michigan, died 27 Dec 1894)
8.
(IGI
says Catherine Garside born 1 Aug 1861 Chicago, died 29 Nov 1943)
9.
@
1867 Ada Thirsk b in Ill
Benjamin brought his family to the USA between 1857 and 1858 and lived for a brief period of time in Detroit Michigan. In 1859 (source) and 1861, Benjamin appeared in a Detroit business directory. Map of Detroit (arrow at Abbott street) Zoomed Map
Thanks to Becky Bane's book A Glimpse of the Past, which arrived 09 Sept 09, it is known that The City of Washington entered New York Harbor on the 6th of October 1857 with Benjamin and his family! Cover page. I was glad that some information from me was also helpful to Becky and is also in the book! We also know now, however, that this was Benjamin's second trip to the USA! His first was on Shenandoah, which arrived in Philadelphia on the 15th of June 1841 with unknown James Garsides family.
By 1863, the Garside’s had moved to Chicago, Illinois.
Benjamin has not been found listed in The Clark Historical Library Michigan Gazetteer and Business Directory for 1860 (available at Jan 2002 http://www.lib.cmich.edu/clarke/migaz/migaz1859.htm) despite a thriving business listing. Perhaps he worked for one of the listed businesses? As early as 1860, Benjamin lists his profession as a Cooper (Journeyman even in 1870 census), which a dictionary describes as a barrel maker, and which several on-line occupation pages describe as: One who makes or repairs vessels made of staves & hoops, such as casks, barrels 1 2 3 4 5 6, tubs, etc. As he worked at the inn in England, perhaps he worked in a saloon (although he was working as a cooper even in the 1841 English census)? But no record of this in the directory, either. Published in 1859, it is also possible Benjamin was not well known enough or could not afford inclusion in the gazetteer, whatever his profession.
Was this how the Garside’s traveled to Chicago? – from the 1860 gazetteer
@ 1866 Sarah
Married Henry Thirsk
From Sheila Marcel Beer comes
this information, as well
as the Priory pix above.
Thanks Sheila!!
Link to biography of Joseph Garside - article by Bettis Alston Garside - probably from Tales of Atoka County Heritage (Atoka, 1983)
FHC film # 1000739
Chicago city directory 1865-6:
Ø Garside, Benjamin, cooper, h e s Lake Av, nr Wahpanseh Av
Chicago city directory 1869:
Ø Garside, Benjamin, cooper, r. 68 Oakwood
Ø Garside, George, cooper, bds 72 Vincennes Av
FHC Film # 1000740
Chicago city directory 1870:
Ø Garside, Benjamin, cooper, r. 68 Oakwood
Ø Garside, Benjamin Jr, cooper, r. 68 Oakwood
Ø Garside, George, cooper, bds 68 Oakwood
Ø Garside, John, painter, r 65 Egan Av
Chicago city directory 1872: (1871 edition avail but diff format, incomplete, no Garside/Thirsks in avail copy) ($3.00 price tag back in 1872)
Ø Gartside, B W Draughtsman Dixon & Hamilton, bds 462 W Randolph
Ø Gartside John M with Dent & Black, bds 462 W Randolph
FHC Film # 1000744
Chicago city directory 1880:
Ø Garside, Benjamin, cooper, boards 40, 37th (big "splotch" over this entry, difficult to read)
Chicago city directory 1881:
Ø Garside, Benjamin, cooper, boards 2515 Hanover
Chicago city directory 1882:
Ø Gartside John M lawyer 25 Borden blk house 3219 Vernon Av ------- unknown if this is related or not
Ø Gartside William C manager 6 Washington house 2602 Calumet Av. --- unknown if this is related or not
In addition, the following Chicago, Illinois city directories:
Garside: 1863 1864 1868 1870-1 1874-5 1887 1888 1889 1890
Benjamin Garside family located in 8th Ward in Detroit Michigan 1860 federal census
Benjamin Garside family circa 1863 - the family had probably lived in Chicago for approximately 2 years when this was taken - Thank you Becky!!
Benjamin Garside's family in 1865 Illinois state census Economic data ($40) Top of names/ages page Top of Econ page * single image from Ancestry.com - 02 Aug 08
Garside family in 1870 in Chicago – The sad fact that from their homes in the earlier city directories, the Garsides moved directly into the path of the soon-to-come fire that would consume so much.
In concert with the lack of our Garside family in the 1872 city directory above, this reference to them in Section 17, Holland township, Sheboygan County, Wisconsin in 1873 gives a narrower timetable for the relocation. 1875 Reference - source
Benjamin Garside family in 1875 Holland town, Sheboygan, Wisconsin state census - 06Feb10 from familysearchlabs.org!
Benjamin Garside family in 1880 Holland town, Sheboygan, Wisconsin federal census
Benjamin Garside family in 1885 Holland town, Sheboygan, Wisconsin state census - 06Feb10 from familysearchlabs.org!
Benjamin Garside obituary - Thanx Becky!
Frances Kennon Garside living with Henry Garside in 1895 Sheboygan Wisconsin state census - 06Feb10 from familysearchlabs.org!
Frances Kennon Garside living with Henry Garside in 1900 Sheboygan Wisconsin federal census
Frances Kennon Garside living with daughter Catherine's family in 1905 Seboygan, Wisconsin state census - 06Feb10 from familysearchlabs.org!
Two pictures of Frances (Kennon) Garside 1 2 - Thanks Becky Bane!
Posting from Sheila Marcel Beer which stated that Frances returned to Worksop sometime after this census
Sarah Hanna Garside's birth certificate from England
Picture of Sarah Hannah Garside - (as stated above in Thirsk portion, Jessie Holmes is one of the ladies standing, Sarah is seated. - Thanx Becky!!!
Some tidbits for future use:
Maria Garside 3 yrs old born Ill living in 1860 Lake co Ill w/ Robert and Elizabeth Daggett each late 60's.
In "Historic Sheboygan County" by Gustave William Buchen, AB, LLB pg 337 states that "Hobart's Mill - A steam saw mill in section 17, range 22, of the town of Holland. Post Office established there July 20, 1868, discontinued Mar. 27, 1876; first postmaster Henry Van Tilborg, last postmaster George Garside."
Cook Co Illinois, 1880 census index:
Garside, Annie pg 054 Hyde Park twp ED 191; Garside May pg 525 Glencoe
Applies to both Thirsk and Garside families during their time
in Chicago:
Good web site
about the great Chicago fire, starting many blocks southwest from our Garsides
at the time, fire travelled northeast and left a wake of destruction. The
reason the Garside’s moved away from Chicago! – Henry Thirsk lived far
to the southeast, but Thomas Thirsk was just west of the fire’s path.
A few images of the fire:
Ø
Ogden house
– a few blocks west of Garside residence
Ø
Pine St
Ø
Burnt in
Chicago – sad proof that the Garsides were devastated
Ø
Mapping
the Fire – How did it start?
Ø
Water works
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a bit south of Benjamin and family
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Another viewpoint
- Harper's Weekly image, fire direction and other inaccuracies
1870 listing of ward boundaries
1875 map of Chicago (same ward boundaries as 1870, it seems) with extremely good detail!
1880 listing of ward boundaries
Copy of an 1859 Paterson, New Jersey listing with a Benjamin (and other) Garside. Is this our man?
Some Garside deaths listed in Wisconsin, USA
For more detail on Thirsk and Garside lines,
LDS site has this POC:
* Some of the pictures on these pages are, unfortunately, extremely large and unwieldy. At some point I'd like to go through them and shrink them to an easier viewing size.
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