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Research Rueben Rose Family Betty Raffaele
Obituaries:
A very big thank you to
Betty Raffaele, secretary of the Snowy Monaro Family History
Group for obtaining copies of the Obituaries: R U B Rose - 11.09.1905
H T M Rose - 21.07.1938 Mrs. H T M Rose 20.07.1940, these
have been transcribed by Pattrick Mould
R U B Rose - 11.09.1905
Monaro Express.
On Sunday afternoon the respected laird of Boloco Station (Mr.
R U B Rose) passed away to his eternal home, full of years and
honour. For about a week Mr. Rose had been in a delicate state of
health and little hope had been entertained of his recovery. The
deceased gentleman had been suffering bronchitis and tonsillitis
which brought him down to a low condition of health and his death
resulted as the consequence from heart failure. Deceased had been
attended by Dr Henderson, of Adaminaby, continuously during his
illness and though all this medical skill and careful nursing
could do was done it was without avail. Mr. Rose had spent a long
and eventful life on Monaro, he being a resident of the district
for thirty five years during which time he had gained the
universal esteem and respect of the whole community. At the time
of death the deceased had reached the mature age of seventy-four
years, being four years over the allotted span. The age of
seventy-four allows a great deal to be accomplished and the
deceased gentleman unostentatiously crowed a deal of usefulness
into the term of his existence. He seldom took any part in public
matters but he quietly took much interest in whatever concerned
the welfare of the district. As a neighbour he was friendly, and
to all he was hospitable and on the whole his character was that
worthy of a good father. By his demise he leaves behind to mourn
their irreparable loss a widow and a grown up family, the latter
comprising Messrs. A F and H T M Rose, of Cooma; R U B Rose junr,
Boloco and Mesdames John Crisp, Ironmungie; E Crisp, Mittagang; J
Williams, Camden; and Miss Amy Rose, Boloco, besides a large
circle of relatives and friends. Profound sympathy is felt
throughout the district for the bereaved family and relatives.
Deceaseds mortal remains were interned in the Boloco
Cemetery on Monday afternoon, the remains being followed to the
graveside by a large procession of relatives and friends thus
evidencing the very great respect in which the deceased was held.
H T M Rose - 21.07.1938
Monaro Express 1st August 1938
The death occurred yesterday at his home, "Magellan,
of Mr. H T M Rose, one of the best known and respected residents
of Monaro, at the age of 71 years. He leaves a widow, three sons
John, Clifton and Henry Arthur (Pad) and three daughters Mrs. J C
Maslin and Mrs. Ron mould and Eliza (Li). The internment took
place this afternoon in the C of E Section of Boloco General
Cemetery.
Monaro Express 5th
August 1938
Last Sunday, 31st July, there passed away one of the
best know and most respected residence of Monaro, and a
representative not only of a well know Monaro pioneering family,
but one of the earliest pioneering families of Australia, in the
person of Mr. Henry Thomas Merrett Rose, at the age of 71 years.
Mr. Rose had been ill for the past couple of months and died
suddenly on Sunday morning at his home at Magellan, near Cooma.
The late Mr. Rose was the eldest son of the late Mr. and Mrs.
Rueben Uther Bartlett Rose, of Campbletown, where he was born on
the 14th November 1866. His paternal Grandfather was
Mr. Thomas Rose, of Mt Gilead, Campbletown who had married Miss
Elizabeth Merrett. Dec. came to Monaro in 1875 with his parents,
his brother Alfred, and sisters Sarah and Hannah. His father
selected land on Boloco Creek and later purchased Boloco Station.
Mr. H.T.M Rose at the age of 25 years married Amelia Jane, eldest
daughter of the late Mr. and Mrs. Joseph Hain of Cooma. They were
married at St Pauls Church of England Cooma, on 31st
May 1893 by the late Rev. Canon Bevan. After their marriage Mr.
and Mrs. Rose settled at Melephago, adjoining Boloco. In 1900 Mr.
Rose became manager of Woolway Station for the late Mr. C.W. Pye.
Mr. Pye disposed of his Monaro properties in 1905. Mr. Rose
continuing as manager of Woolway for a brief period for Mr.
Thomas Wise. He however decided to become a grazier on his own
account and purchased Tarsus, on the Murrumbidgee in 1905. This
property he sold in 1914 and he then purchased Magellan on which
he has resided ever since. He went into business with his brother-in-law
Mr. H.R. Hain in 1908 in the name of Rose and Hain Stock and
Station Agents, Cooma. The partnership was dissolved some years
later and he carried on as a Stock and Station Agent on his own
account until his retirement in 1932. He took his part in the
affairs of the town and district, being at various times an
Alderman of Cooma Municipal Council, a Director of Cooma Pastures
Protection Board and a Committee Man of Cooma P. and A.
Association, of Cooma Race Club and of other local organizations.
His main sporting interests were in gun shooting and in horses
and of late years he also became very interested in Coastal and
Deep Sea fishing, operating from his holiday home at Merimbula.
He was a member of the New South Wales gun club for many years
and though he did not seriously follow the sport, he won several
big matches in city and country meetings. In his maiden shoot
with the club in 1906 he won outright the one hundred pound open
handicap against a field of 36 shooters. In June 1920 he won a
special cup shoot held in honour of H.R.H. The Prince of Wales.
He owned many good horses in his time, notably the Coaching
Stallion Perfect, winner of many shows including
Sydney Royal, and never beaten in the show ring, also the
outstanding Pony Stallion "Mazeppa". He was a man of
sterling honesty and good nature. He had a very wide circle of
friends, and we believe it would have been impossible for him to
make an enemy. He is survived by his widow and three sons, Alfred
John, Clifton Merritt, and Henry Arthur Merritt, three, Ray (Mrs
J.C. Maslin), Elizabeth, and Nancy (Mrs Ron Mould), three
grandchildren, 2 brothers Alfred and Reuben, and one sister Amy (Mrs
A.E. Jeanneret). The remains were removed to St Pauls C of
E, on Sunday, and on Monday to St James Church, Boloco, whence
following service by Rev. A Harris, they were laid to rest in the
C of E section of Boloco general cemetery. Rev. Harris also
officiated at the graveside at which there was a large gathering
of mourners. Mr. J. F. Allen had charge of funeral arrangements
wreaths were noted from Magellan family; Ray and Charles;
Paulene and Rube; Ray, Charles and children; Alfred (Mt Gilead);
Ron and Nance; Amy Ernest and Bill; Mr. and Mrs S H Harnett and
family; Mr. and Mrs Dunston; all at Murranumbla; Mr. and Mrs E J
Braussty? and family; Mr. and Mrs Wildash and family; Mr. and Mrs
Bert Hindmarsh; Cogan family (Boloco); McDonald family (Malton);
Jack and R Hartley; G.W. Mackay and family; Ed, Rue and May Paton
(Ryde); Gerald and May Morrios; Mr. and Mrs G Hain; Jacob,
Clarice and boys; G.S. Goodwin and family; Kath and Clis; Uncle
Dan, Mollie and Herb; Agnes, Ned and Lorrie; Donald and Harry
McGufficke and family; Agnew and Hannah families; Mr. and Mrs W.E.
Goodwin and Nada; Monero Race Club; Mr. and Mrs. O.C. Litchfield;
A R Litchfield; Mr. and Mrs W O Litchfield; Mr. and Mrs M Power
and family (Boloco); Mr. and Mrs Percy Goodwin and family; all at
Middle Flat; Jim and Phil; Launa and Tim; all at Dalgety Hospital;
all at The Willows; L and P Schaefer; Mr. and Mrs F Adams; Rolfs
Hotel Limited; Mr. and Mrs J Kidman and family; R A McKillop (Canberra);
Ida, Charlie and Howard; W M Mould family; Charlie Mavis and
family; Fred, Essie and family; Jean and Yuille; Tom and Mrs
Bates; Mr. and Mrs Harrold Mugridge and family; Cooma Pastoral
and Agricultural Association; Staff, Bluebird Café; Lyle and
Jack Arthur; Betty and Dennis; Mrs C Hain and family; all at
Murlingbung; Merle; Pat, Mrs Moonie and family; Mil and Frank (Boloco);
Rosanne; Mrs A W Mould; Peter Potori; Mr. and Mrs Hientzos; the
Schaefer family (Merimbula); Hill, Ruby, Jean and Bruce; Mr. and
Mrs J Woodhouse and family; the ONeill family (Sunnybrook);
Miss Attwater; Bert and Flo; Aunty Jean, Lila and Herb ( Harlowe);
Youlle and Jean (Tumbledown); all at Summerset; Joyce and Karl
Massey; Mrs M Lloyd and family.
Mrs. H T M Rose 20.07.1940
- Cooma Express 26.07.1940
Very general and sincere regret was felt in all parts of
Monaro when the death became known last Saturday of Amelia Jane,
widow of the late Mr. H T M Rose of Cooma. The late Mrs. Rose
would have been 73 years of age on the 5th August
proximo. She had been in indifferent health of late and had
undergone an operation in Glouster House, Prince Alfred Hospital,
Sydney where she passed away early on Saturday Morning, 20th
inst. Deceased was the eldest daughter of the late Mr. and Mrs.
Joseph Hain of Cooma, and was born at Dairymans Plain, near
Cooma. She married Mr. Henry Thomas Merrett Rose, eldest son of
the late Mr. and Mrs. Rueben Rose of Boloco, Dalgety. They lived
successively at Milephafio (Boloco), Tarsus, Cooma and Magellan
near Cooma. After her husbands death two years ago Mrs. Rose came
into Cooma to live residing at Raglan House, portion of the old
Lord Raglan Hotel in Lambie Street. Mrs Rose was a keen gardener
and for many years a strong supporter of the Cooma P. and A.
Association, and a regular exhibitor at the annual shows. On two
occasions at least she earned the honour of being the most
successful exhibitor at the Cooma Show. In recognition of her
valuable and consistent support she was made a life member of the
association. Her services were also in demand as a judge in the
flower or domestic work sections of other district shows. She
also took an active part in functions for the C of E and other
public charitable affairs, notably the Red Cross society. In her
person she was a woman of very fine character, active, busy and
very well informed, but never to busy to do a kindness to a
friend or neighbour. She will be sadly missed by many .Mrs rose
is survived by three sons Henry Arthur Merrett (Pad) (Kydra),
Clifton Merrett (Magellan), and John (Cooma), three daughters
Mrs. J C Maslin (Ray),Gunningrah, Bombala, Eliza of Cooma,
and Mrs> Ron Mould (Nancy) of kybean; three brothers Sampson
Henry, Manly; Frederick Joseph and henry Rostron, Cooma; a sister
Mrs. A.J McDonald, Rose Bay and five grandchildren. The body was
brought by motor hearse from Sydney to Cooma, being placed in St
Pauls C of E on Sunday last, 21st inst.
Following services there by Mr. W H Baylis in the absence of Rev.
H C Russell. The funeral, which was largely attended, moved in
the afternoon to Boloco Cemetery in the C of E section of which
the remains were laid to rest, Rev, A Harris officiating at the
graveside. Messrs. Cliff Rose (son), J C Maslin, Ron Mould (son-in-law),
Ivan Hain, A Campbell and S Hain were pallbearers. Mr. J F Allen
had charge of the funeral arrangements. Wreaths were noted from
Uncle harry and all at "The Willows"; Cliff,
Jimmie and Elisabeth; Nance and Ron; Ray and Charlie; Amy and
Ernest; Liz, Lyle and Jack, Wand E Quail; Leila and Rod; Cooma
Pastoral and Agricultural Association; H J Sears and Family; Mrs.
A Hawkins and family; Myrine McMannus; Carrie, Ross and family;
Mary and Fred Freebody; Fred; Mrs. Adams and family; Robbie and
John; Mr. and Mrs. A Sherlock and family; A W and E Mould and
Merle; Auntie Pep and Uncle Arthur and girls; Herb Mawson; Mr.
and Mrs. Hope Harnett; Mr. and Mrs. S H Harnett, Sen.; George and
Ruth; Mr. and Mrs. L G Fussell; Mr and Mrs w Jardine; Rolfe
Family ( Prince of Wales Hotel); Mr. and Mrs. Napthali and family;
Fred, Essie and family; Mr. and Mrs. T Thomas and family; Mrs m
Lloyd and family; Freda, Reub; Charlie, Ida and Howard; Mr. And
Mrs. O C Litchfeild; Mr. and Mrs. W O Litchfeild; Mr. and Mrs. E
S Mawson; Pauline; George, Lill and family (Arable); Minnie and
grace; Mr. and Mrs. S Love and Family; All at Mynora; Mr. and Mrs.
G W Wright and Theo; All at Allambie; Marranumbla; Mr. and Mrs.
Harry Jardine and family; May Body and Boys; Gert and Mona; Tom
and Maud Weston and Family; All at Nandawar; Returned Soldiers
League, Cooma; Mollie Barnett and Nurse Lewis; Mrs. E Miners and
Una; Mr. And Mrs. G b Goodwin; Ruby, Ida and Reg Sands; CWA Cooma;
Chas, Mavis and Cliss; Mr. and Mrs. Gerrald Merrice; Ruth, Ern
and Family; Mrs. and Miss. Welch; the Harding Family; Roy and
dick Croaker; Mrs. Andrews and Dorothy; Aunt Alice and Family,;
Len and Phoebe Schaefer and Family; All at Flisk Milan; Power
Family (Boloco); Mil, Frank, Betty and Dennis; W M Mould; Jim and
Florrie McGufficke; Cooma Race Club; All at Middle Flat; Mr. and
Mrs. E Woodhouse and Family; Phil and Jim; Edna , Tom and Family;
Mr. and Mrs. T Woodcroft; Ethel and Douglas; Mr. and Mrs. E H
Litchfeild; Mr. and Mrs. C G Wildash; Mr. and Mrs. Clive
Scandrett; Mr. and Mrs. P D McNee; All at Eblana and Fernhill; Mr.
and Mrs. McDonald and Edith; Mr. and Mrs. W E Goodwin, Nada and
Norman; The ONeil Family (Sunnybrook); Mrs. Cogan and
Family (Boloco); and more unreadable.
Rose Family - Monumental Inscriptions
Bathurst cemetery headstone inscriptions
search
SEARCH FOR SURNAME: "ROSE"
SURNAME: ROSE GIVEN NAMES: ALEXANDRA
DEATH DATE: 03-Mar-1973 AGE: REF.: W13 SURNAME: ROSE GIVEN NAMES:
ETTIE DEATH DATE: 00-December-0000 AGE: 52? REF.: D NOTE: ON SAME
HEADSTONE AS MOON ERNEST RGHT
Research -
Other Rose families:
Richard Rose - Tracy JacksonFrom: Tracy
Jackson Sent: Friday,
May 05, 2000 Hi Patrick My name is Tracy and I am tracing my
family tree I am also tracing the Rose name .I am tracing a
Richard Rose who came out to australia in 1793 with his parents
and 4 brothers and sisters they come out on the bellona and lived
around the windsor district and he was a free settler and was
also a farmer. If you can help with this Rose please contact me
Also we are at wollombi,boarl stroud .We think that Richard
married a Susannah Ricardson in1817. Hope to hear from you
reguards Tracy
To: Tracy Jackson <[email protected]> Hi, Yes I have the information you are
looking for, I have attached it (it is a word document), I have
also pasted it below in case you can't open the document. I am
posting that family to my web page in the near future, to find
the Roses go to the mould site below, from there to Rose Research.
There is a Research Group in Australia (not on email) who are
studying that family, I am sure they would like to get in touch
with you. There address is not at hand at the moment, but I can
get it for you, if you require it. Excuse my ignorance but where
is "wollombi,boarl stroud "? Regards, Pattrick Mould,
Thomas Rose of Wilberforce
From Pattrick: I
receive the Thomas and Jane Rose Society Newsletter,"The
Lore of the Roses, if anybody would like me to pass it on
to them, please let me know, I have sent the current copy to Anne
Sheppard.
ROSE, THOMAS (1749?-1833), farmer, was born at Blandford,
Dorset, England. There he married Jane Topp, who bore him three
sons and one daughter before 1792. In August that year, as the
result of repeated requests by Governor Phillip for the dispatch
of intelligent and experienced farmers, Thomas Rose and his
family together with four other free settlers sailed in the
Bellona for New South Wales. Rose and his companions were the
first free and independent settlers to reach Australia. They
arrived in Sydney on 16 th January 1793, when David Collins noted
that Rose was 'the most respectable of these people, and
apparently the best calculated for a bona-fide settler'.
The new arrivals chose land about seven miles west of Sydney,
which they called Liberty Plains, now the Strathfield-Homebush
district, where Rose received first 80 and later 120 acres. Why
they settled there is uncertain, for the soil was poor, and
without manure was quickly exhausted, but possibly Lieut.
Governor Francis Grose Paterson (q.v.) wanted to establish
settlement between Sydney and Parramatta for the safety and
convenience of the travelling public. Rose soon decided that they
had made a hasty and bad choice of situation and according to
family records they soon afterwards moved to Prospect, where, he
was made an overseer in charge of the government farm and stock,
and where his second daughter, Sarah, was born. He appears to
have stayed at Prospect for some twelve years. He and his family
then moved to more fertile lands along the Hawkersbrey River
where they purchased the 30-acre grant of William Mackay near the
later-named Wilberforce, which Grose began to settle in 1794.
There he spent the rest of his life and became a well-known and
highly respected figure, surrounded by a growing army of
descendants. A son and a daughter had been born in the colony. He
died on 15 November 1833 and was buried in the cemetery of St
John's, Wilberforce. His wife, who predeceased him in 1827 was,
according to the Sydney Gazette, the first woman to attain the
status of great-grandmother in the colony since its establishment.
Quiet, homely, unassuming and industrious, Thomas Rose belonged
to that humble band of men, who in a rough and licentious age,
helped to lay the foundations of ordered social life in a new
country. HRA (1), 2-6; D. Collins, An account of the English
colony in New South Wales, 1-2 (Lond, 1798-1802); J. F. Campbell,
'The dawn of rural settlement in Australia; IRAHS, 11 (1925);
Windsor and Richmond Gazette, 21 Aug 1925; MS cat under T. Rose (mt).
ARTHUR McMARTIN - From the Australian Dictionary of
Biography, General Editor - Douglas Pike
From: Tracy Jackson Hi Pattrick Thanks for all that
information that you sent it was great. We have not work our way
back there yet ,but we are working on it. I think that we are
chasing a different henry rose because the henry we have was
married to a eliza feras we think but the children's birthdates
children a ann and john ann was born 1852 and john in 1853 but
the date on the family bible regarding elizas birth is 1838 which
means that she was only 14yrs old when she had ann. But the only
marriage when can find of henry and eliza was in 1858 which means
that they we married 5 years later then their children we born
was that the done thing back in those days,? That Research Group
that you mentioned who are studying that family Yes I would like
that address please. As for the places of Wollombi it is in the
Wine country of the Hunter Valley it is a very old place with a
lot of history and our ann Rose was born there. As for Boral and
Stroud And The Branch are very old history towns as well and they
are up at the foot of the Barrington Tops which is in the
district of Gloucester. Ann Rose married a Samuel Davey at willow
tree and they moved to Boral were Samuel ,s family come from and
they both die and are buried at Boral. Our family has a strong
tie with Boral and Stroud with having Davey people still there.
Any information that you have is received greatly . PS look for
your site on freepages but could not find it. regards Tracy.
To: Tracy Jackson Re: chasing a different henry rose.That Research Group that you mentioned who are studying that family Yes I would like that address please... Contact: Charles Rose, 15 Beachcomber Drive, Byron Bay NSW 2481 Australia. Re: look for your site on freepages but could not find it. MOULD & ROSE: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mould
Charles J Rose, 15
Beachcomber Drive Byron Bay NSW 2481 17th May 2000
Dear Charles, Thank you for accepting my phone call today and for
the information you passed on to me. I have enclosed a couple of
items you may be interested in. When your computing skills get
going I will send you a lot more on disc, its a lot cheaper
that way. We have a Research Newsletter that we put out fairly
regularly; I will put you on the mailing list. Maybe we could
swap newsletters? I will get in touch with your mates in Sydney
in the next couple of days. Look forward to hearing from you
again, Regards Pattrick Mould
Thomas and Jane Rose Family Society, Noel Crowley, PO Box 772,
Strathfeild, NSW 2135 02 97432394. Genealogist: Don Brunton,
Pildra Place, Frenches Forrest, NSW 2086, 02 9451 3834.
Christine Rose, Rose Family
Association, California [email protected]] Hi Christine, I have all the
family of the Thomas below, I have not been able to find his
parents. I would be grateful for any information you may have. We
have a research group in Australia see:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mould/rose_newsletter.htm can we establish a link with your
organisation? Regards, Pattrick Mould,
From: "Christine Rose" <[email protected]> Hi Pattrick: Good to hear from you! I am
in southern Calif. right now, and picking up and sending email is
a bit more cumbersome because I get on to pick up the mail, then
off to study it and compose my answer, then on, etc. I have to
wait until I get on again to look at your site, which interests
me considerably. I will be back in touch in the next day or so!
Found the bio very interesting. More later... Christine
See our Rose Assn. website at: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ChristineR
Christine Rose at email: [email protected] Address: 1474 Montelegre Dr., San Jose, CA 95120-4831
[Co-author of THE COMPLETE IDIOT'S GUIDE TO GENEALOGY, by
Macmillan, 1997 - see listing and reviews at: http://www.amazon.com
To: Don Brunton, Rose-Wilberforce
From: pattrick mould Sent: Sunday, 21 May 2000
Hi, Hope I have found you ok? The web address is below, if you
follow through to the Rose Research group newsletter you will
find our current newsletter, have a look soon as it should be
replaced in the next ten days. As I mentioned I am quiet happy to
allocate one of these pages to your society, I can assure you
would get more enquiries and offers to help. If you are not
interested in that we will be happy to receive your contributions
for our newsletter or WebPages. Please contribute. Regards,
Pattrick Mould,
From: "Don Brunton"
<[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 22
Contact OK. Have had a look at the site and the development seems
to be going well. Unfortunately when I tried to open the
Newsletter I got the "page cannot be displayed" message
- perhaps it is being replaced now but I will try later on
today. Many thanks for your offer of assistance. Our Society has
been talking about a Site for some time but nothing has been
decided and I am a little reluctant to take on any more work. One
of the reasons is that my wife, Carol, and I have been travelling
a bit and we intend to do some more but these breaks away cause
disruption to the flow of the genealogy which then takes an
effort to catch up. Oh well, it is fun. Kind regards Don Brunton
10 Pildra Place FRENCHS FOREST NSW 2086 02 94513834
From Pattrick Hi Good to hear from you. I have fixed the
access to the Rose Newsletter I think! try now: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mould/rose_newsletter.htm Sorry about that nobody let me know till
now. Regards, Pattrick Mould,
Sid White
From: Sid White To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000
Hi Pattrick, A few weeks ago I started researching my family tree.
My family on my Dad's side were the Roses and have always, as far
as I know, lived in or around Gt Yarmouth and Lowestoft. I was
looking through the Internet and came across your message, about
your Ancestors, the Roses, from Norfolk. I would be interested to
hear from you and maybe compere notes, just to see if - a) we are
related, and b) if we could help each other with our family tree's.
Thank you very much, Sid White.
From: pattrick mould To: Sid
White Sent:
Thursday, June 15, 2000 8:56
Hi Sid White, Great to hear from you, I am sure we are related if
we get back far enough, and there is no doubt we can help each
other, even if it is only just keeping in touch and sharing our
research, that has an incredible motivating capacity alone. I don't
know how many skills you have picked up in regard to genealogy on
the internet. I would recommend to people that they start with
the LDS site, progress to Cindy's List to Genuki to Rootsweb's
data bases, than mailing lists. By then you will have pick up a
lot of other data bases on the way. Let me know where you are at
and I will share as much as I can with you. I am not sure where
you saw my message about my Roses from Norfolk, do you remember,
I will have to update it. At present we are concentrating on the
Birmingham area, and appear to be getting there slowly. If you
have a look at the Rose Research Group Newsletter on my wed-site
(address below) this will probably be better explained. Briefly
we have all the genealogy of the Rose family in Australia to 1793,
but are still having trouble determining which Thomas Rose is
ours in England. Re your Dad's side.. Roses...have always lived
in or around Gt Yarmouth and Lowest.. I am very interested in
that line of the family, as there was a Thomas Rose born in Gt
Yarmouth at about the right date to suit my ancestor. I have
attached one of my files on Thomas Rose that will explain that.
Look forward to hearing from you, Regards,Pattrick Mould,
Hi Sid White,
Good to hear from you. Those Thomas Roses don't seem match up,
my guy was born about 1773. It appears if that if he came from
Great Yarmouth he would have had a brother Robert, that matches
up with the IGI entries, their parents appear as John and Lucy. I
doubt that he married before he was transported. I don't know any
of Thomas William ROSE'S 12 brothers and sisters. Sorry you
couldn't get around the web site, I will have a look at it later
today. I would be interested in starting a WebPages for you, it
is my experience that if you put all your information up you will
get a lot of inquiries from people on the same track, one of
which will take you a lot further. If you like send me you info
in word format of on an email and I will put it up for you.
Regards Pattrick Mould
From: Sid White To: pattrick mould Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2000
Hi Pattrick, Thank you very much for your Email. I am fascinated
to see that your Roses moved to Australia some time in the 1700's.
I have found out that there were 2 (maybe more) Thomas Rose's in
the family that we know of - Thomas ROSE b.1798 married Sarah (His
mother and father were William and Ann ROSE (nee. FUGGOT) Thomas
William ROSE b.1877 married Edith WARD. (This Thomas is my nan's
grandad) This is all I know at the moment, but I will be going to
the Family Record Centre in London on Thursday, so if you can get
back to me before then and let me know if this sounds like it
could be your relative too, I'll do the research for you as well.
We do have some unsolved problems on the ROSE side - Thomas
William ROSE had 12 brothers and sisters, if you've heard of any
of these, let me know - Charles Thomas ROSE 1869-1927 Herbert
John ROSE 1871-1951 Eliza Sarah ROSE 1872 - 1963 George Edward
ROSE 1874 - 1887 Henry David ROSE 1879 - 1916 Hannah Tyrell ROSE
1881 - 1911 David King ROSE 1884 - 1964 Ellen ROSE 1886 - 1964
Maude Rosa ROSE 1887 - 1887 William George ROSE 1888 - (still
trying to find out when he died) Percy Robert ROSE 1891 - (still
trying to find out when he died) Arthur ROSE 1893 - 1958 (don't
know anything about this one) We are also related to Sir Benjamin
Britten and Sir Alec ROSE, but don't know where they fit in. I
went to the MOULD & ROSE Web Site but some links are broken
so I couldn't get too far. If you think you could be related to
the Thomas' about, let me know and we could compere notes, names
and dates to see if we are distant cousins. I have loads of
information for all the ROSES. Take care and hope to hear from
you soon - SID S - I can't remember where I saw your message
about ROSES FROM NORFOLK because I was looking in so many Web
Sites at the time.
From: pattrick mould To: Sid
White Sent:
Wednesday, June 14, 2000
Hi Sid White, Great to hear from you, I am sure we are related if
we get back far enough, and there is no doubt we can help each
other, even if it is only just keeping in touch and sharing our
research, that has an incredible motivating capacity alone. I don't
know how many skills you have picked up in regard to genealogy on
the internet. I would recommend to people that they start with
the LDS site, progress to Cindy's List to Genuki to Rootsweb's
data bases, than mailing lists. By then you will have pick up a
lot of other data bases on the way. Let me know where you are at
and I will share as much as I can with you. I am not sure where
you saw my message about my Roses from Norfolk, do you remember,
I will have to update it. At present we are concentrating on the
Birmingham area, and appear to be getting there slowly. If you
have a look at the Rose Research Group Newsletter on my wed-site
(address below) this will probably be better explained. Briefly
we have all the genealogy of the Rose family in Australia to 1793,
but are still having trouble determining which Thomas Rose is
ours in England. Re your Dad's side.. Roses...have always lived
in or around Gt Yarmouth and Lowest.. I am very interested in
that line of the family, as there was a Thomas Rose born in Gt
Yarmouth at about the right date to suit my ancestor. I have
attached one of my files on Thomas Rose that will explain that.
Look forward to hearing from you, Regards,Pattrick Mould,
From: Sid White To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000
Hi Pattrick, A few weeks ago I started researching my family tree.
My family on my Dad's side were the Roses and have always, as far
as I know, lived in or around Gt Yarmouth and Lowestoft. I was
looking through the Internet and came across your message, about
your Ancestors, the Roses, from Norfolk. I would be interested to
hear from you and maybe compere notes, just to see if - a) we are
related, and b) if we could help each other with our family tree's.
Thank you very much, Sid White
Research
Roses in History
THE INDIAN MUTINY
SIR HUGH ROSE - Early Victorian England, Edited by G M
Young The commander whose ability was really eminent was Sir Hugh
Rose, who in the spring and summer of 1858 marched a column of
about 5,ooo men a distance of 1,ooo miles from Ujjein to the
Jumna. He had no maps, and so had to reconnoitre the whole way
for himself. But no fortress could resist him, no risk could
daunt him, no enemy arrest him. None the less some of his marches
during the hot weather were trying beyond endurance. Upon one
occasion a brigade, being called upon for a great effort,
cheerfully marched on through overpowering heat. It was such a
day that the very dogs ran howling away, their skins slashed as
if by sabre-cuts by the burning sun. There was no shade and no
water. The transport bullocks dragged themselves painfully on at
the rate of one mile an hour. The men dropped down first by twos
and threes and then by scores. The litter-bearers had no strength
to carry their loads. Officers were brought back to the rear
shrieking or laughing in delirium. All staff officers were
prostrated and the column struggled on without guides till it
overtook a brigade which had marched before it. When the halting-place
was reached it was long before water could be found; and only
with difficulty were sufficient able men found to stand sentry
over the well and preserve order while the water was distributed.
On this day thermometers marked 130 degrees Fahrenheit and then
burst.Such was an extreme example of the trials to which the
troops were subjected. The sun and the flies were far more
dreaded than the mutineers. And even in the cooler intervals the
fatigue suffered by the soldiers was intense. In the final work
of hunting down a rebel leader over a country as large in area as
England, one squadron of cavalry is reckoned to have covered 2,ooo
miles and another little less. Men after hours of riding in heavy
rain simply dropped off their horses when halted for the night,
were asleep before they reached the ground, and never moved from
the mud in which they had fallen. Individual deeds of daring, it
must be repeated, were many; but the cheerful endurance of
hardship was the most significant quality of the soldier. Nor,
despite the massacre of white women and children, was he
unmerciful. 'You have fought against the strong,' wrote Sir Hugh
Rose in his farewell order to his troops, 'and you have protected
the rights of the weak and defenceless, foes as well as friends.
I have seen you in the ardour of the combat preserve and place
children out of harm's way. This is the discipline of Christian
soldiers.'
EDWARD ROSE, HIS CHARITY -
Early Victorian England, Edited by G M Young pp346
.. we have seen, the fortunate
beneficiaries from one of the Lichfield charities received cloth
gowns with the letters W.F. embroidered on the sleeves in honour
of Mr. William Finney the founder. There were also the gift of
Henry Greene to supply four poor women with four green waistcoats
trimmed with green galloon lace; the gift of Thomas Gray to
provide poor men and women with coats and waistcoats o grey cloth;
the gift of Edward Rose, which was conditional upon the upkeep of
rose-trees on his grave; and the gift of Elizabeth Townsend,
conditional upon the singing at morning and evening service on
the Sunday before mid-summer day 'the anthem composed by my late
husband's grandfather, from the ~5oth psalm '. And there were
charities for the benefit of persons bearing the donor's name, 'the
charity',
Research Rose family - Administration Information
Collect Research Document: I am not happy yet about the indexing, but will work on that when I have a bit of time. I plan to put it all on the WebPages (text only) as soon as I can. I believe that will create a bit of inquiry.
Diane Giles Research: I have inserted all Diannes material into the Collect Research Document.
Data files: From the information we have collected in the Newsletters I have established the following files: (These are available to all contributors)
Administration
Information Pattrick Mould
Research - Thomas Rose Convict,
Research - Thomas Rose Campbelltown,
Research - Thomas Rose Birth,
Research -Other Rose families,
Research - Rose Family, Monumental Inscriptions,
Research Rose Family - Information Administration
Research Rueben Rose and Family
Research Roses in History
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