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1. Thomas KNEEN [scrapbook] was born in Isle of Man. He died in Rushen, Isle of Man.

KIRK CHRIST, RUSHEN, ISLE OF MAN MARRIAGE RECORDS, LDS #0106743
    Thomas Kneen bacholar and Ann Kernode, spinster, both of this parish were married in this church by license the 15th day of December 1842 by me G.S. Parsons, Govt. Champn
    This marriage solemized between us:
             Thomas Kneen   his mark  x, Ann Kneen late Kermode  her mark   x
 In the presence of John Kneen, William Youant & Thos Qualthough

(From this we know that Thomas Kneen and Ann Kermode can not write.
Note they are both "of" this parish, NOT "born" in this parish. Which I take to mean, they both were living in Rushen at the time of marriage.
Why were they married by a Govt. Champn.? there were only two couples on the microfilm married by a Government Champlain, Thomas & Ann and the couple whos entry was next. What does this mean? Was Thomas in some type of military service?
What was going on in1842 on the Isle of Man?
Thomas is listed as bacholar, not 'full age'.
Ann is only listed as spinster, not 'full age'.
Does this mean that they were under 'full age',
did they have to have family permission?)
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Entry #1
1851 MICHAEL CENSUS, Pg. 56, Entry No. 41,
KNEEN, Thomas, head, Married, 27, Freehold Farmer, 52 acres, Ballaugh
      Ann, wife, married, 22, Michael
      Eleanor, Dau., 2, Michael
      Elizabeth, Dau., 6 months, Michael

Entry #2
1851 RUSHEN CENSUS, Pg. No. 25, Entry No. 108,
Thomas KNEEN, Port St. Mary, Son, Unmarried, 22, Joiner, Rushen   

    (I have put both enteries in because I believe the first entry is our Thomas, even though it is in Michael and not Rushen. Even though it says he was a farmer and that he was born in Ballaugh.
    If Thomas Entry #1, was 27 in 1851, then he was born about 1824.
    If Thomas Entry #2, was 22 in 1851, then he was born about 1849.
    If Thomas Entry #1, was married in 1842, he was 17 years old.
    Thomas Entry #2, was NOT married in 1851.
    I know that Thomas and Ann were already married in 1842, making the first entry more likely than the second.
    If Thomas is listed as single in 1851, and he was married in 1842, the second entry is unlikely.
    The reason I have put the second entry is because that Thomas was in a family and "everyone" says this is his family, because his father is John."

    If Ann is 22 in 1851, then she was born about 1829.
     Look for Ann in the 1841 census as a child of 12, in a family of KERMODE.
     Look for Ann in the 1831 census as a child of 2 in a family of KERMODE.
    Had the KERMODE family already moved from Michael to Rushen by then? Check both parishes.
    If Ann is 22 in 1851, then she was 13 when she got married.
     Why would they get married that early? Thomas was 17, Ann was 13.
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1867 RUSHEN PARISH MARRIAGES - LDS Microfilm #
    Marriage solemnized at the Parish Church in the Parish of Rushen in the Isle of Man. #335, 10 January 1867, Thomas Kneen, full age, Widower, Joiner, Residence: Port St. Mary, Father: John Kneen, Occupation of Father: Wheelwright and Margaret Hudgeon, full age, Spinster, Residence: Port St. Mary, Father: Joseph Hudgeon, Occupation of Father: Mariner. Married in the Parish Church according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Established Church by me Hugh S. Cple, Vicar. In the presence of us: James Hudgeon & Elizabeth Hudgeon.

    (Thomas was over 21, I believe that is what 'full age' means.
     Thomas was a widower in 1867.
     Thomas' trade is a joiner.
     Thomas' father is John Kneen.
    John Kneen is a wheelwright.
    Ann died before 1867 if Thomas is a widower in 1867.
    Ann's death record needs to be found after birth of Margaret.
    Where was Ann buried?)
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1881 RUSHEN CENSUS, DISTRICK 5, page 27
5, 20, 108, KNEEN,  Thomas, Lime St., Head, Married, 32, Sawyer & Joyner, P.StMary (age should read 52)
5, 20, 108, KNEEN, Margaret, Lime St., Wife, Married, 38, P.StMary
5, 20, 108, KNEEN, Esther, Lime St., Daughter,  3, P.StMary  
 5, 20, 108, KNEEN, Edward, Lime St, Son, 12, Scholar, P.StMary
 5, 20, 108, KNEEN, John, Lime St., Son, 10, Scholar, P.StMary
5, 20, 108, KNEEN, William, Lime St., Son, 9, Scholar, P.StMary
5, 20, 108, KNEEN, Robert, Lime St., Son, 6, Scholar, P.StMary
 5, 20, 108, KNEEN, Henry, Lime St., Son, 4, P.StMary
 5, 20, 108, KNEEN, Richard, Lime St., Son, 1, P.StMary
 5, 20, 108, GELLING, Elizabeth, Lime St., Mth in Law, Widow, 70, P.StMary

(Incorrect age of Thomas recorded, should be 52.
Incorrect age of Esther recorded, should be 13)
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RUSHEN PARISH BURIAL REGISTER, page 62
    Thomas Kneen buried 2 May 1909, age 80.
(Born about 1829)
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FROM A LETTER WRITTEN TO MRS. L. NORMAN FROM G. TURNBULL, CO-ORDINATOR OF THE MILLENNIUM OF TYNWALD 1979, DATED 7TH AUGUST, 1978.
     "I am told that Thomas, who you refer to, had a wounderful 'head for figures' and could do any mathematical problem placed before him."

Thomas married (1) Ann KERMODE on 15 Dec 1842 in Kirk Christ, Rushen, Isle of Man. Ann was born in Isle of Man.

KIRK CHRIST, RUSHEN, ISLE OF MAN MARRIAGE RECORDS LDS #0106743
    Thomas Kneen bacholar and Ann Kernode, spinster, both of this parish were married in this church by license the 15th day of December 1842 by me G.S. Parsons, Govt. Champn
    This marriage solemized between us:
             Thomas Kneen   his mark  x
              Ann Kneen late Kermode  her mark   x
 In the presence of John Kneen, William Youant & Thos Qualthough

They had the following children:

+ 2 F i Eleanor KNEEN was christened 14 Sep 1845.
+ 3 F ii Elizabeth KNEEN was born Aug 1852 and died 31 Dec 1918.
+ 4 M iii Thomas KNEEN was born about 1851.
  5 F iv
Margaret KNEEN was born about 1862 in Isle of Man.

Never left the Isle of Man. No children.
       
Margaret married John CANNELL.

Thomas also married (2) Margaret HUDGSON, daughter of Joseph HUDGSON and Elizabeth Betsey, on 10 Jan 1867 in Port St. Mary, Rushen, Isle of Man. Margaret was born about 1849 in Port St. Mary, Rushen, Isle of Man. She died 16 Sep 1923 in Rushen, Isle of Man.

1851 RUSHEN CENSUS, DISTRICT 5, PAGE 17, ENTRY 74, Port St. Marys
 Stepchildren of Wm GELLING
Margaret HUDGEON, daughter, age 9 born Rushen

1881 RUSHEN CENSUS
5, 20, 108, KNEEN, Margaret, Lime St., Wife, Married, 38, P.StMary

RUSHEN PARISH BURIAL REGISTER, page 61
Margaret Kneen buried age 81 on 16 Sep 1923.

They had the following children:

  6 F v
Esther KNEEN was christened 13 Oct 1867 in Port St. Mary, Rushen, Isle of Man.

BAPTISMS SOLEMNIZED IN THE PARISH OF RUSHEN, ISLE OF MAN, LDS #
    #210, 1867 October 13, Esther, daughter of Thomas Kneen & Margaret (Hudgeon), Abode: Port St. Mary, Joiner, Hugh S. Gile, Vicar.

1881 RUSHEN CENSUS
5, 20, 108, KNEEN, Esther, Lime St., Daughter,   3, P.StMary
+ 7 M vi Edward KNEEN was christened 24 Jan 1869 and died 1927.
+ 8 M vii John KNEEN was christened 7 Oct 1870.
  9 M viii
William KNEEN was christened 14 Sep 1872 in Port St. Mary, Rushen, Isle of Man.

1881 RUSHEN CENSUS
5, 20, 108, KNEEN, William, Lime St., Son, 9, Scholar, P.StMary

Drown at sea.
  10 M ix
Robert KNEEN was christened 1 Nov 1874 in Port St. Mary, Rushen, Isle of Man.

1881 RUSHEN CENSUS
5, 20, 108, KNEEN, Robert, Lime St., Son, 6, Scholar, P.StMary
 
Lived in Liverpool until he retired and returned to the Isle of Man.
  11 M x
Henry KNEEN was christened 27 Aug 1877 in Port St. Mary, Rushen, Isle of Mann.

1881 RUSHEN CENSUS
5, 20, 108, KNEEN, Henry, Lime St., Son, 4, P.StMary
 
Married twice.
       
Henry married (1) Miss.
       
Henry also married (2) Miss.
+ 12 M xi Richard KNEEN was christened 7 Jul 1878.
+ 13 M xii James KNEEN was christened 7 Apr 1882.
  14 F xiii Bessie KNEEN

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