Perth.htm

Perth.htm
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SCOTLAND

Also see ELDER in:

ABERDEEN, and ARGYLL, and INVERNESS, and ISLE OF SKYE, and SUTHERLAND

FIFE, and KINROSS (Steamships), and MIDLOTHIAN, and BANFF
and
LANARK and RENFREW (Paisley and Elderslie) and SELKIRK (BORDERS)

FORFAR and ANGUS - (Lochee/Dundee) - David ELDER, b. 1920 (to David ELDER c.1540)
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nancyelder/ed/BlueFunnel.htm

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ELDER in PERTH

Ancestry.com search:                                                    "Fair Land of Gowrie"
Parish records - PERTHSHIRE - 130 records                       Spouse List
Selection here:
1. Kincardineshire, Fife, Kinross, Perth, & Forfar: -
   The Commissariot Record of St. Andrews.              Tay Valley Family History Society - HOWFF Cemetery (215 ELDER)
    Register of Testaments, 1549-1800.
County: Perth
Country: Scotland                                                            Map also shows Perth & Blairgowrie
Elder, Alexander, mariner in Kirkcaldy 23 Jul 1662 Kirkcaldy (FIFE)       map

2. Kincardineshire, Fife, Kinross, Perth, & Forfar: -
Commissariot of St. Andrew's, Register of
Testaments, 1549-1800
Marriages.
County: Perth
Country: Scotland (in Kinross)
Elder, Geillis, spouse to William Skinner, in Drumgrie, par. of Orwell 06 Jul 1635 Orwell

3. Perth: - Guildry Book, 1452-1601
Marriages.
Perth Guildry Records
Register of Testaments, 1682-1800.
County: Perth
Country: Scotland
'Item: allowit to George Johnesoun ane of the fermouraris of the mylnis,
10 lib. 8 s. 4 d. gevin to John Malcolmson Maister of Werk
as the said Johnis acquittance beris, gevin in apone this compt of 08 Nov
1544 and allowit to the said George 30 ane lib. 5 s.
given to John Eldar thesaurar as his acquittance beris, gevin upon this compt of 02 Feb 1544 and of 22 Jul 1545 , the thrid of 12 May 1545. Item: allowit to
Andro Colt and Violet Ross, ane of the fermoraris,
10 lib. 8 s. 4 d. gevin to John Malcolmsone Maister of
Werk as the said Johnis acquittance beris,
gevin in apone this compt of 08 Nov 1544. And allowit to the
saidis Andro and Violet 30 ane lib. 5 s.
gevin to John Elder thesaurer as his acquittancis beris, gevin in
apone this compt of 02 Feb 1544 , ane uthir of 07 May 1545 , the thrid of 22 Jul 1545.'

4. Another long testament in Ancestry.com Parish records:
"Done in the burgh of Perth on 01 Mar 1546-7.
Witnesses, Sir Henry Elder, notary, Walter Hutoun and Walter Smetoun. 14b."

5. Kincardineshire, Fife, Kinross, Perth, & Forfar: - Commissariot of St. Andrew's, Register of
Testaments, 1549-1800
Marriages.
   The Commissariot Record of St. Andrews.
    Register of Testaments, 1549-1800.
County: Perth
Country: Scotland
Elder, John, in Clinkmilne, par. of Coupar 18 Feb 1607     Coupar Angus map

6.Perth: - Guildry Book, 1452-1601
Marriages.
Perth Guildry Records
Register of Testaments, 1682-1800.
County: Perth
Country: Scotland
Henry Elder, burgh clerk, B and G, in r. of f., w. and s.,
and by mandate of bls, cl, ds of c, sn Patrick Murray bailie.

7. Kincardineshire, Fife, Kinross, Perth, & Forfar: -
   Commissariot of St. Andrew's, Register of
Testaments, 1549-1800
Marriages.
   The Commissariot Record of St. Andrews.
    Register of Testaments, 1549-1800.
County: Perth
Country: Scotland
Elder, William, writer in Perth 15 Nov 1693   Perth map

8.Perth: - Guildry Book, 1452-1601
Marriages.
Perth Guildry Records
Register of Testaments, 1682-1800.
County: Perth
Country: Scotland
James Murray decon of the skynoris
with our handis led be Sir Henry Elder

9.Kincardineshire, Fife, Kinross, Perth, & Forfar: -
Commissariot of St. Andrew's, Register of
Testaments, 1549-1800
Marriages.
The Commissariot Record of St. Andrews.
Register of Testaments, 1549-1800.
County: Perth
Country: Scotland
Anderson, Janet, in Easter Gourdie. See Elder, James.

10.Perth: - Guildry Book, 1452-1601
Marriages.
Perth Guildry Records
Tacks
County: Perth
Country: Scotland
Thome the Ross ane net, Rob Elder souerte

11.Kincardineshire, Fife, Kinross, Perth, & Forfar: -
     Commissariot of St. Andrew's, Register of
Testaments, 1549-1800
Marriages.
   The Commissariot Record of St. Andrews.
    Register of Testaments, 1549-1800.
County: Perth
Country: Scotland
Elder, James, cotter, wobster in Easter Gourdie,
and Jonet Anderson, his spouse, par. of Liff 31 Jan 1600     (LIFF, in Angus)

12. Perth: - Guildry Book, 1452-1601
Marriages.
Perth Guildry Records
Tacks
County: Perth
Country: Scotland
Thomas Ros 1/2 net, for 5 merkis souerte Robert Elder baxter

13.Kincardineshire, Fife, Kinross, Perth, & Forfar: -
     Commissariot of St. Andrew's, Register of
Testaments, 1549-1800
Marriages.
   The Commissariot Record of St. Andrews.
    Register of Testaments, 1549-1800.
County: Perth
Country: Scotland
Elder, Robert, tenant in Burngrange, par. of Orwell 22 May 1753 and 15 Jul 1754
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14. Perth: - Guildry Book, 1452-1601
Marriages.
   Perth Guildry Records
    Register of Testaments, 1682-1800.
County: Perth
Country: Scotland
" 'The quhilk daye it is decretit and deliverit
be the dene of gild and the gild broder, that because that
David Elder tuk and resavit fra William Ker
his bill of certane gudis contenit in the samen, and tuk
uppone him to be merchand to the said William thair ."
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15. Kincardineshire, Fife, Kinross, Perth, & Forfar: -
     Commissariot of St. Andrew's, Register of
Testaments, 1549-1800
Marriages.
   The Commissariot Record of St. Andrews.
    Register of Testaments, 1549-1800.
County: Perth
Country: Scotland
Elder, Isobel, spouse to George Blair, in Spoutwalls, Perth 30 Oct 1673        Spoutwalls (Scone)

16. Kincardineshire, Fife, Kinross, Perth, & Forfar: -
     Commissariot of St. Andrew's, Register of
Testaments, 1549-1800
Marriages.
   The Commissariot Record of St. Andrews.
    Register of Testaments, 1549-1800.
County: Perth
Country: Scotland
Elder, Robert, portioner of Lethendie 16 Oct 1685 Lethendy,post town Blairgowrie
17. Kincardineshire, Fife, Kinross, Perth, & Forfar: -
     Commissariot of St. Andrew's, Register of
Testaments, 1549-1800
Marriages.
   The Commissariot Record of St. Andrews.
    Register of Testaments, 1549-1800.
County: Perth
Country: Scotland                                                          Lethendy
Senzear, Agnes, spouse to Robert Elder, in Lethendie, par. of Scone 30 Oct 1675
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18. Perth: - Guildry Book, 1452-1601
Marriages.
   Perth Guildry Records
    All burials bought in the parish kirk
County: Perth
Country: Scotland
William Elder bought his burial for 20s. before the feast of St Martin and paid Robert Blare master of
fabric of the bridge and church.
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19. Kincardineshire, Fife, Kinross, Perth, & Forfar: -
     Commissariot of St. Andrew's, Register of
Testaments, 1549-1800
Marriages.
   The Commissariot Record of St. Andrews.
    Register of Testaments, 1549-1800.
County: Perth
Country: Scotland
Elder, Robert, par. of Wemyss [Mar 1550]   Wemyss(Fife)
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20.Kincardineshire, Fife, Kinross, Perth, & Forfar: -
     Commissariot of St. Andrew's, Register of
Testaments, 1549-1800
Marriages.
   The Commissariot Record of St. Andrews.
    Register of Testaments, 1549-1800.
County: Perth
Country: Scotland
Elder, James, in Glamis 29 Apr 1691                  Glamis Castle--12 miles from Dundee
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21. Kincardineshire, Fife, Kinross, Perth, & Forfar: -
      Commissariot of St. Andrew's, Register of
Testaments, 1549-1800
Marriages.
   The Commissariot Record of St. Andrews.
    Register of Testaments, 1549-1800.
County: Perth
Country: Scotland
Elder, Robert, tailor in Kettle 20 Jan 1686   Kettle (Fife)

22. Kincardineshire, Fife, Kinross, Perth, & Forfar: -
    Commissariot of St. Andrew's,
Register of Testaments, 1549-1800
Marriages.
   The Commissariot Record of St. Andrews.
    Register of Testaments, 1549-1800.
County: Perth
Country: Scotland                                                                N.E. of PERTH
Elder, Elspet, in Foulfoord, par. of Kilspindie 18 Nov 1719 Kilspindie on map
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KINROSS-SHIRE
"ORWELL, a parish, containing the post-town of Milnathort, and the village of
Middleton, in the north of Kinross-shire. It is bounded on the eastern part of the south by
Loch-Leven, and elsewhere by the parishes of Kinross, Fossoway, Dunning, Forgandenny,
Forteviot, Arngask, Strathmiglo, and Portmoak.
Its length eastward is 9 1/4 miles; its greatest
breadth is about 3 1/2 miles; and its area is about 21 square miles. The surface, in all the
southern and south-eastern districts, is low, prevailingly level, and diversified with gentle
swells and rising-grounds; and thence it gradually rises into hilly heights, called the braes of
Orwell, and then, toward the northern boundary, shoots suddenly up into a frontier range of
the Ochils, with summits of about 1,000 or 1,100 feet above sea-level ... The parish is
traversed northward by the public road from Edinburgh to Perth, and eastward by that from
Stirling to Cupar.
Population in 1831, 3,005; in 1861, 2,399."
from the Imperial Gazetteer of Scotland, edited by John Marius Wilson, 1868."

ANGUS county:
Liff, Benvie & Invergowrie
                       "The united parishes are about 3 miles in length and nearly the same in
                       breadth. The surface rises with an easy ascent from the Tay, except twoards
                       the south west where it joins to the parish of Dundee. The higher ground
                       forms a ridge, stretching obliquely in a direction from East to West, and
                       behind is an extensive tract of muir, where there are some plantations, but no
                       marks of cultivation. The muir is bounded by the water of Dichty, which rises
                       in the parish of Lundie, and runs south and east through the valley of
                       Strathmartin. There are several villages, viz, Locheye, Millhouse, Liff, Benvie
                       and Invergworie: the latter is noted as the site of the first christian church
                      erected on the north side of the river Tay." (The Gazetteer of Scotland, W
                       Chalmers, Dundee 1803)

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http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/ANS/CouparAngus/index.html
                 Coupar Angus
                       " Coupar of Angus or Cupar is a considerable town and parish in the valley of
                       Strathmore, and though designated in Angus, by far the greater part is situated
                       in the county of Perth. The town is situated on the Isla, and is divided by
                       a rivulet into two parts; that part which lies south of that rivulet being all that
                       belongs to the county of Angus. The streets are well paved and lighted, and the
                       town has much improved of late years; thereis a town-house and steeple on the
                       spot where the prison of the court of regality stood. The linen manufacture is
                       carried on to a considerable extent, nearly 200,000 yards of different kinds of
                       cloth being stamped here. There is also a considerable tannery, and in the
                       immediate neighbourhood a large leachfield has been laid out. Besides the
                       town of Cupar, there are several villages, of which the largest contains about
                       100 inhabitants." (The Gazetteer of Scotland, W Chalmers, Dundee 1803)

PERTH:
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/PER/Lethendy
       "LETHENDY, parish averagely 3 1/2 miles south-west of
       Blairgowrie, Perthshire. Its post town is Blairgowrie. Its length is 5 miles;
       its greatest breadth 1 1/2 mile; its area, together with that of Kinloch, to
       which it is united, 7060 acres. Real property of Lethendy alone in 1880-81,
       ¬£2952. Pop. of Lethendy and Kinloch, 404. The west end of Lethendy, for
       about 1/2 mile, is a rapid ascent, and the rest is all a gentle descent.
       Lethendy Tower is a very old structure. The churches in the united parish
       are 1 Established, 1 Free, 1 United Presbyterian; and there are 2 public
       schools for respectively Lethendy and Kinloch."
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Map showing PERTH, Coupar Angus, and Cupar (Fife) near St. Andrews,
also Blairgowrie, north of PERTH.   MAP

Gazeteer Photo and description of BLAIRGOWRIE

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Another JAMES ELDER of PERTH
WorldConnect by Dennis Fullerton:
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:2382502&id=I514258143
ID: I514258143
Name: Margaret Mary ELDER
Given Name: Margaret Mary
Surname: Elder
Sex: F
Birth: Abt 1726 in Ireland
Death: Aft 1765 in Newville Twp, Cumberland CO., PA
Burial: Big Spring Presbyterian Church Newville, PA

Father: James ELDER b: 26 Jun 1684 in Perth, Scotland
Mother: Elizabeth TAIT b: in Scotland

Marriage 1 Thomas SHARP b: Oct 1721 in Ireland
Children
    1. Mary Jane SHARP b: Abt 1749 in IRELAND
    2. Alexander SHARP b: in Ireland
    3. John SHARP b: in Ireland
    4. Andrew SHARP b: Abt 1753 in Cumberland CO., PA
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Margaret Strand of Moss, Norway:
[email protected]
http://home.online.no/~tvin/scotland.htm
Researching:
PERTH location-- in Errol: CRAIG, SYMOND, CONSTABLE, ELDER, TAIT, STRACHAN and related families.
(Old Scottish Registers for location of Errol, Perthshire, Scotland: JAMES ELDER 26 Jun 1684 - father: JOHN) IGI listing
" The IGI had the following children to James Elder and Elizabeth Tait....
ELIZABETH ELDER - Female Christening: 10 DEC 1732
                                Kilspindie, Perth, Scotland
MARGARET ELDER - Female Christening: 18 OCT 1724
                                 Kilspindie, Perth, Scotland
ANDREW ELDER - : Male Christening: 11 SEP 1720
                                Kilspindie, Perth, Scotland
WILLIAM ELDER - Male Christening: 26 JAN 1729
                                Kilspindie, Perth, Scotland
THOMAS ELDER - : Male Christening: 03 APR 1716
                               Kilspindie, Perth, Scotland
PATRICK ELDER - : Male Christening: 09 OCT 1726
                                Kilspindie, Perth, Scotland
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"Carse of Gowrie" on Firth of Tay, near PERTH                 Map Showing ERROL - East of PERTH (near Kilspindie)
PERTHSHIRE map:
http://www.geo.ed.ac.uk/scotgaz/councils/region23.html

Also see ROBERT ELDER in biographical sketch (d.1807 Fannett Township, Franklin Co PA)
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nancyelder/ed/RobertBio.htm
"...was born near PERTH on the Tay, Scotland, migrating about 1737 to the vicinity of Lough Inch or Lough Swilly,
County Donegal, Ireland, from that point emigrating to...Pennsylvania...."
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"Blackford Kirkyard, Perthshire" - BLACKFORD VILLAGE Map for Blackford Hotel
http://hometown.aol.co.uk/alfrowantree/myhomepage/refpage.html

ELDER (entries: 172 / 173 / 174)
172. Mary Jessie Fitton Elder Died 21st March 1965 Aged 62
   and her husband Robert Stirling Duncan
      Died 28th October 1973 Aged 71
173. John Lawson Stirling Duncan Died 27th November 1978
   and his wife Janet Ness Methven Elder Died 29th January 1985
174. George Elder Died 17th April 1934 Aged 75
   and his wife Jessie Fitton Died 9th September 1928 Aged 70
   also sons George Elder Died 17th November 1964 Aged 78
   Louis Cowans Ness Elder Died 26th April 1978 Aged 84

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28 The Right Hon.ble Thomas Elder, of Forneth
Lord Provost of the City of Edinburgh &c.
          Mezzotint, printed in colours with beautifully finished additional
hand colouring. Laid down on board.
          Earlom (R[ichard].), after Sir Henry Raeburn, RA.
          Fine condition, good margins, a little very light dust-soiling at caption.
          Russell 12a.
          Implausibly inscribed at foot, in pencil: "Coloured by Raeburn
himself". Elder of Forneth (1737-1799), Lord Provost of Edinburgh,
was, as a Baillie, one of the promoters of the rebuilding of
Edinburgh University. The foundation stone was laid during his term as
Lord Provost, and he is shown with the plans of this by him.
          Platemark Size: 504 x 355mms.
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http://www.familytrail.com/elder/sharing/June96.html
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 07:39:52 +1000 (AEST)
From: Abbie Angharad Hughes <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: My Research Interests
.......
2) An allegedly linked line is that of THOMAS ELDER 1737-1799
Lord Provost of Edinburgh and Postmaster General of Scotland, former wine merchant
who married Elizabeth Man. They had one son WILLIAM ELDER and their eldest of 4 daughters,
Isabella, married the Principal of Edinburgh University,
George Husband Baird 1761-1840. This line begins with William Elder Engineer in 17th century,
then Alexander Elder of Forres near Inverness, his son William Elder of Loaning near Pitlochry
b ca 1710 to 1780 at least, father of Thomas above and of Charles 1749-1823. Charles was in the Royal Navy and
taken prisoner by the Americans in 1777 for 13 months with an address at Rhode Island.
Later appointed to Lord Howe's flagship *The Eagle* and in
action against the French off Rhode Island in 1778. I would be interested to hear from anyone
who knows more about the origin of Alexander Elder in this
line, and about any collateral lines.
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Forneth: Parish of Clunie, Perthshire,
near Blairgowrie:
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/PER/Clunie

KING JAMES meets HENRY ELDER of PERTH:
http://www.visitdunkeld.com/perth-royal-visitors.htm
[RE: King James' visit in 1617]
"James returned to Falkland Palace after his visit, and Perth Town Council seized
the opportunity to solicit his assistance towards “the expense of upholding the
Bridges of Tay and Earn.” The latter was in a ricketty condition, and had been so
for the past three years; the Tay bridge was that built by John Milne in 1605
presumably it had not yet been paid for! "...
"The deputation on the matter to Falkland Palace consisted of Alexander Peebles, bailie, and Henry Elder, treasurer.
James VI contributed 40,000 merks for the purpose of restoring The Bridge crossing the
Tay. But until 1771, 150 years after floods washed it away, no new bridge was constructed."
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PERTH STREET MAP - TAY ST - CEMY marked "Greyfriars Burial ground"

Some early entries:
PERTH GREYFRIARS BURIAL GROUND-SEARCH

Reference: PE1/20/1
Forename: Willium [William]
Middlename: n/a
Surname: ELDER
Date Died: 10 June 1798
Age: 43y
Cause of death: jaundis [jaundice]
Burial Date: 13 June 1798
Cemetery: Greyfriars
Relative: n/k
Relationship: n/a
Kin Occupation: n/k
Notes: n/a

Reference: PE1/20/2
Forename: Peter
Middlename: n/a
Surname: ELDER
Date Died: 15 September 1825
Age: 1
Cause of death: Teething
Burial Date: 17 September 1825
Cemetery: Greyfriars
Relative: Peter ELDER
Relationship: Son of
Kin Occupation: Founder

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   "MONUMENTAL INSCRIPTIONS (pre-1855) in NORTH PERTHSHIRE"
    VOLUME ONE (City of Perth & Its Northern Environs)
Produced for the Scottish Genealogy Society, by John Fowler Mitchell
   and Sheila Macbeth Mitchell. Rev. Ed. 1997.

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GREYFRIARS - BLOCK F - page 210

185.   PETER ELDER mert [merchant] Perth   17.3.1792   59,
       s PETER 10.1807, w Eliz KEILLOR   7.1844
       (Ed: see SRO SC.49 marriage contract registered 11.1806 of
            PETER ELDER and ELIZ KEILLOR)

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GREYFRIARS - BLOCK G - page 232

173. small ("close to west wall") col Jas ELDER. HEICS d 1841
[Honourable East India Company (HEICS)]

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WELLSHILL - page 66

195 Alex REID 5.12.1890 87, by w Jane ELDER, son d inf.
ANN REID 1.4.1876 80, h HUGH WARD 9.1.1869

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VOLUME 2 (North of Dunkeld and its environs)

CLUNIE - page 62

36       Thomas ELDER late of Loaning d Kincairney    8.6.1856,
          w Isabella McFARLANE    14.12.1885   60,
          da Grace d Adelaide          22.4.1870

52 CT John MacRITCHIE of Craigton, w Christian ELDER. 1826

69       (loose, against hut)
          Thos ELDER who lived in Ledukie d 1.1741 --,
          sis Janet ELDER 5.1759 63, this ston was erected by a Wm.
          (other side) plough. T E. --. IE. IE. WE. IE

70 (loose, against hut) Duncan McGREGOR in Kinkdstoun,
w Janet ELDER 10.5.1729 [6-] y

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DUNKELD - page 103

7c FS Chas Edward STUART count ROEHENSTART
d. here 28.10.1854 73
(Ed: he and his bro John Sobieski STUART gave themselves out as the
grandsons of Prince Chas Edward, but were said to be sons of capt
Thos ALLAN, RN & gss of Admiral John Carter ALLAN who d 1800; his
son, the Carliest colonel, md a da of the earl of ERROL (J. Grant,
OLD & NEW EDINBURGH ii); G.H.S.L. Washington, PEDIGREE OF CHAS EDWARD
STUART count of ROEHENSTART (Cambridge, 1974)

14b FS    (by south wall) Alex Muir KILGOUR surgeon Dunkeld
           9.2.1834 57,
           by w Marjory FORBES KILGOUR, chn int here:
           Eliza Gilkerson, Wm, Jas, Helen, Wm ELDER & Alex all d.inf

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Andrew Elder 1807 Blackbank
George Elder 1896 Spital
Henry Elder 18 May 1602
James Elder 1905 Spittal
John Elder 1899 Mybster
John Elder 19 Apr 1690 Perth
Johne Elder 1 June 1583
William Elder 11 Jan 1673 Perth
William Elder 21 Aug 1855 Bognagee
William Elder 20 July 1549
John Elderson 26 Oct 1616 Sandsyd (Sandside, Caithness)
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SIR STUART THREIPLAND
From The Threiplands of Fingask by Robert Chambers (Edinburgh 1880)
..."It’s possible that the Theiplands originated in Peebleshire, but after 1600 they appear in Perth
where Patrick Threipland was a merchant, appearing frequently in the list of magistrates. He be-
came Provost in 1665, and several times thereafter and as a determined loyalist to the Stuarts was
awarded a knighthood in 1674 and a baronetcy in 1687. He prospered so well that in 1672, he
could purchase the estate of Fingask in the Carse of Gowrie from the Bruce family..."
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Google books:
Recreations of an Antiquary in Perthshire History and Genealogy
By Robert Scott Fittis

Page 172
On the 28th March, 1543

."..The law against controversy on the bible was transgressed in the town of Perth.
John Elder, burgess, had to pay L200 (Scots) to procure his remission from the charge of having so disputed,
contrary to the tenor of the Act of Parliament...."

Page 183
..."Several citizens of the town having been observed to sympathise with the martyrs, the Cardinal saw fit to punish them;
and accordingly Sir Henry Elder, a priest, John Elder, Walter Piper, Laurence Pullar, and others were forthwith banished the town...."

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