"Reasons For Moderation In the present Debates amongst Presbyterians
in the North Of Ireland.
By John Elder, M.A., Minister of the Gospel (Quotation)
Belfast: Printed by James Blow, and are to be Sold at his Shope,
MDCCXXV."
"A Letter To the Reverend Mr. Robert McBride;
Occasion'd by his pretending to defend Mr. Elder's Suspension, and
by devers injurious Reflections cast upon Mr. Elder, in his late
Pamphlet,
Ens..the Overtures transmitted by the General Synod, 1725, set in
a fair Light, etc.
By John Elder A.M., Minister of the Gospel. (Quotation).
Belfast, Printed by James Blow, and ...to be Sold at his Shope."
Is UNCLE JOHN ELDER really living in Ireland?
NancyP
Searching on Google.com for: "James Blow" Belfast
found:
http://www.arts.ulster.ac.uk/ulsterscots/bib_religion.htm
Institute of Ulster-Scots Studies, bibliography:
"Elder, John, Reasons for moderation: in the present debates amongst
Presbyterians in the north of Ireland (Belfast, Printed by
James Blow, 1725). "
(The second title doesn't come up anywhere online yet.)
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Excerpts from "Parson ELDER, a biographical sketch":
Page one:
..."Of the early life and boyhood of the Rev. John ELDER we know
but little, and we are also deprived of that satsifaction which is frequently
afforded in tracing the ancestry of distinguished men. He was born
in the year 1706, in the city of Edinburgh, although his father, Robert
Elder, a well-to-do farmer, had previously settled and resided in the county
of Antrim in the north of Ireland. Robert Elder removed with many
others, to America, in the year 1730, leaving behind him his son John,
the eldest of his children, who was left with his uncle, the Rev. John
Elder, of Edinburg, to complete his studies in the University, where he
graduated with credit, and in 1732 received his license as a preacher...."
so Uncle John could be "of Edinburg" but living in N. Ireland, as well as Rev. John in 1727?
Page 5:
"He was thought by the Indians to possess a charmed life, for on
more than one occasion, when aim had been taken, the ball was thought by
the Indians to be turned aside by the Good Spirit."
Page 18 (the only mention I could find of his sons):
"Several of his sons filled honorable positions in the Continental
army, doing valiant service for the cause of independence."
Page 21:
"The MSS notes of his sermons in the possession of the Dauphin County
Historical Society, will favorably compare with those of the majority of
the divines of his day."
"Whether, therefore, we regard him as the teacher of the
principles of the old Covenanters, the sympathizing and affectionate Pastor,
or the brave and heroic captain at the head of his indomitable Rangers,
fighting for the preservation of their homes and the lives of their wives
and little ones, in whatever view, he presents to our mind the same bright
and shining light, amid the darkness and the gloom which overshadowed the
frontiers of the Province of Pennsylvania from 1740 for twenty-five yers.
Firm, but yet wrm hearted, commanding in his mein and bearing, still not
obtruding, serving his God faithfully and well in his day and generation,
he was ever alive to the wants and requirements not only of his flock but
of the community."
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Searching for more online entries about "James Blow" printer of Belfast,
found mention of a "Revd John McBride" in bio of James Kirkpatrick:
http://www.uua.org/uuhs/duub/articles/jameskirkpatrick.html
"In 1706 he accepted a call from the Belfast congregation as colleague
to the Revd John McBride. The Belfast congregation, which had grown rapidly,
numbered more than three thousand members. McBride was a non-abjurer; that
is, he had refused to take the oath abjuring the claims to the throne of
James II's son. At the time of Kirkpatrick's call McBride had fled to Scotland
to avoid arrest. He had suggested that the original Belfast congregation
should be divided and a second meeting house built. Eventually, after complicated
negotiations, the Belfast church did just that. A new meeting house was
built immediately behind the first as the home of Kirkpatrick's Second
congregation. "
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http://www.biblio.com/browse_books/author/k/14859.html
Kirkpatrick, James]: AN HISTORICAL ESSAY UPON THE LOYALTY OF PRESBYTERIANS
IN GREAT BRITAIN AND IRELAND FROM THE REFORMATION TO THIS PRESENT YEAR
1713
[Belfast]: [James Blow]: 1713 - first (only) edition.. 4to (7.75"
x 6.5"); black quarter leather; marbled boards; gilt spine; pp. xvi, 564,
[12 (index)]; a few small worm holes; inner hinges strengthened; title
page trimmed to ruled lines and relaid; edges of several pages repaired
with archival tissue; boards worn with approx. 1" square section of marbled
paper missing; leading edge of pages trimmed with partial loss of occasional
page number or part number; a very rare book, published anonymously with
no place or printers name, it was one of the first books printed in Belfast
and is valuable for its many important documents and facts of the state
of affairs in Ireland during the reign of Queen Anne; Bradshaw 4843. Good..
HISTORY, IRELAND, THEOLOGY, CHURCH HISTORY. (Inventory #299)
$ 1000.00
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Library of Congress:
Brooke, Peter.
Ulster Presbyterianism : the historical perspective, 1610-1970 /
Peter Brooke.
Ireland : Gill and Macmillan ; New York : St. Martin's Press,
c1987.
xi, 259 p. ; 22 cm.
Libraries: Orbis: UO, UP,UW,Central WashUniv.,Evergreen
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In genealogy of Edgar Allen POE:
http://www.eapoe.org/geninfo/poegnlgy.htm
John Poe (born: date unknown - died: 1756 in Baltimore, Maryland)
and Jane McBride Poe (Born: @1706, in Ballymony, County Antrim,
Ireland - died: July 17, 1802 in Baltimore, Maryland. Married: Sept. 1741)
"John and Jane Poe emigrated to America in 1749 or 1750. Living
for a time in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, they moved to Baltimore about
1755. Jane is presumed to be the daughter of the Reverend Robert McBride.
Her brother was Admiral John McBride. "
References:
*Elder, William Voss, III, manuscript notes based of Poe family
documents, sent to A. G. Rose, May 8, 1978.
* Phillips, Mary E., Edgar Allan Poe: The Man, Chicago: John C.
Winston Company,1926. (Especially pages 1-43.)
* Quinn, Arthur Hobson, Edgar Allan Poe: A Critical Biography, New
York: Appleton-Century Company, 1942.
* Thomas, Dwight and David K. Jackson, The Poe Log, Boston: G. K.
Hall & Co, 1987.
***
Online article:
http://scripts.ireland.com/ancestor/magazine/articles/iha_scotsireland12.htm
Colonial Scots-Irish Immigrants: The Irish Records - Presbyterian
Ministers
By Kyle J. Betit
"Some Scots-Irish immigrants to North America in the 1700s were
accompanied by their Presbyterian ministers from Ireland. In these cases,
tracing the origins of the minister with whom an immigrant was associated
can be useful to determining the immigrant's origins.
William F. Marshall's Ulster Sails West contains a list (with
some details) of ministers who came from Ulster to America (FHL #1036618
item 10). Other important resources are:
1.James and Samuel G. McConnell's Fasti of the Irish Presbyterian
Church, 1613-1840 (FHL
#994080 item 5), which excludes dissenting
ministers;
2. Adam Loughridge's Fasti of the Irish Reformed Presbyterian
Church of Ireland;
3. A History of Congregations in the Presbyterian Church in
Ireland. These books sometimes
indicate emigration to America. "
***
Antrim info:
http://www.from-ireland.net/contents/antrimcont.htm
The Public Record Office of Northern Ireland (PRONI) has microfilmed
almost all of the surviving registers for the Presbyterian congregations
of the nine counties of Ulster, Antrim, Armagh, Down, Fermanagh,
Londonderry (Derry) and Tyrone. A number of early original Presbyterian
registers and records
are held by the Presbyterian Historical Society for congregations from
both Northern Ireland and the Irish Republic."
http://proni.nics.gov.uk/records/private/presindx.htm
****
Trinity College in Dublin:
http://www.tcd.ie/Library
The Library of Trinity College is the largest research library in
Ireland. In addition to the purchases and donations of almost four centuries,
the Library is privileged in having the right to legal deposit of British
and Irish publications. The Library contains a bookstock of 4.25 million
volumes, thirty thousand current serials, significant holdings of maps
and music and an extensive collection of manuscripts, the most famous being
The Book of Kells.
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Queens Univ. of Belfast
http://www.qub.ac.uk/
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three months in the year,
Author Elder, John, Rev.
Title A letter to the Reverend Mr. Robert Mc-Bride; Occasion'd
by
his pretending to defend Mr. Elder's suspension, and by divers
injurious reflections cast upon Mr. Elder, in his late Pamphlet,
entitled "The Overtures transmitted by the General Synod, 1725.
set
in a fair light, &c." / by John Elder A.M., Minister of the
Gospel.
Publisher Belfast : Printed by James Blow, and are to be sold at
his
shop, 1727.
Bib Id 39843
Physical details 44p ; 18 cm. (8vo)
Subject Presbyterianism
BPB1727.1
Location Shelfmark Loan Type Availability
BPB Collection BPB1727.1
Consultation Only Available 1 0
BPB Collection BPB1727.5
Consultation Only Available 1 0
BPB Collection BPB1727.6
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Author Elder, John, Rev.
Title Reasons for moderation in the present debates amongst
the
presbyterians in the North of Ireland /
by John Elder, M.A., Minister of the Gospel.
Publisher Belfast : Printed by James Blow, and are to be sold at
his
shop, 1725.
Bib Id 34841
Physical details viii, 108p ; 8vo.
Subject Presbyterianism
BPB1725.6
Location Shelfmark Loan Type
BPB Collection BPB1725.6/Pamphlet Book 95
Consultation Only Available
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Author McBride, Robert, Rev.
Title The overtures transmitted by the General Synod, 1725
: Set in
a fair light: in answer to Mr. Higginbothom's late print, entitled,
Reasons against the Overtures. Wherein a letter in M.S. subscribed
J.
Boyse, Coppy'd, and spread by Mr. Higginbothom, is also consider'd.
The General Synod's Principles and Practice, vindicated.
Mr. Nevin's Exclusion, and Mr. Elder's Suspension, defended, and
the
Non-Confessing Controversy laid open. The whole dedicated to the
Presbytery of Rout / by Robert M'Bride, Minister of the Gospel :
To
which is added, a letter from a worthy Minister in the same
Prebytery, known for modesty and moderation.
Publisher Belfast : Printed by Robert Gardner, 1726.
Bib Id 39850
Physical details xii, 13-72p, 1-19 (Appendix) ; 19 cm. (4to)
Subject Presbyterianism
BPB1726.2
Location Shelfmark Loan Type
BPB Collection BPB1726.2
Consultation Only Available
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