The Golden Falcon

Chapter VIII/7 - Lydney

Llangoed Castle was the residence of a Roman Catholic branch of the Winters of Brecon which passed the Williams family whose arms of 3 cocks carved in stone are in the porch.  In 1668 Richard Winter died in Llangoed mansion.  He was a descendant of the first Edward Wynter or son of Walter Wynter of Tal-y-llyn who married Anne Lewis of Glyn.  Other members of the Llangoed branch were Richard, son of Richard (d. 1675), his son Walter, another Walter and Henry Richard, clerk and vicar of Boughrood (d. 1729).

William Winter and his wife (widow of R. Jones) assigned the lease of Brecon Forest in 1691.  (Treasury Books,  Vol. 10, 1693-1696).

Llanfihangel tal-y-llyn (St. Michael's at the head of the lake) went to the Crown on the attainder of the Stafford duke of Buckingham in 1483 and was granted to John Walwyn, the King's Receiver whose daughter Margaret married Walter Wynter of Brecknock, barrister and brought it to his family.  It was sold in 1800.

"1688, July: Indenture, whereby William Wynter of Llanvihangel Tal-y-llyn, Co. Brecon Esq., Elinor his wife and Edward Wynter (son and heir apparent of the said William Wynter) in consideration of an intended marriage between the said Edward Wynter and Anne Williams (one of the daughters of Thomas Williams of Talgarth, Co. Brecon Esq.,) and of her portion of 800, granted to Walter Vaughan of Trebarried, Co. Brecon, Esq., and Edward Williams of Gwernddy, Co. Brecon, Esq., the manor of Llanvihangel Tal-y-llyn in the parish of Llanvihangel Tal-y-llyn and the manor of Tredustone otherwise Dustonetowne in the parish of Talgarth, Co. Brecon and all messuages and lands and chief rents of the said grantors in the said parishes of Llanvihangel-Tal y- llyn, Llanville and  Talgarth and the advowsons of the churches of Llanvihangel Tal-y-llyn, Llanville and Talgarth; on trust (as to the said property in the parish of Tal-y-llyn and the advowson of the church there) for the said Edward Wynter and Anne his intended wife, for their lives, with remainder to their issue, with remainder to the heirs of the said Edward Wynter; and upon trust (as to the residue of the said properties) for the said William Wynter and Elinor his wife for their lives, with remainder to the appointees of the said William Wynter (to raise £100) with remainder to the said Edward Wynter for his life, with remainder to his first and other sons (by Anne his intended wife) successively in tail with remainders over.  Witnesses: James Parry, Joshua Parry, Edward Parry, David Perrott (No. 625, CL Deeds I/1471 counterpart CL Deeds 3/1472 Glamorgan archives).

"1698, May 7 - Indenture being a grant from Roger Powell of the parish of Christchurch, Co. Monmouth, gent., and Mary his wife, to Edward Wynter of Llanvihangel-Tal-y-llyn, Co. Brecon, gent., of a messuage, orchard and one and half acres of land in Tredustan in the parish of Talgarth, Co. Brecon, lying in breadth between the land of Elinor Wynter, widow, in the tenure of Evan John and John Watkin on one side and the highway leading from Tredustan towards Talgarth, on the other side, and in length extending from a ridge of meadow ground of the said Elinor Wynter, in the tenure of Evan John and John Watkin, at one end, to land of the said Elinor Wynter at the other end; also a messuage and garden in the tenures of William Powell and John Watkin a Bowen, and three closes of lands called Close Myle (20 acres) in the parish of Llanvilloe, Co. Brecon, in the tenure of William Powell and John Watkin Bowen and a close of land called Yerrows Barry (3 acres) in the said parish of Llanvilloe.  Consideration £65,  Witnesses: William Phlllips, Edward Hughes, Ho. Powell; John Hughes (No. 8y, CL. Deeds 3/1479 Glamorgan archives).

"1725, May 7 - Indenture being a lease for a year (so that a grant by release might be made) from Daniel Wynter of the town of Brecon, doctor of physic, to Anne Wynter of the same town, widow, of messuages and lands in the lordship of Tredustan otherwise Bristonstown and all messuages and lands belonging thereto in the parishes of Llanvilloe and Talgarth and in the tenure of Evan John and William Wynter, a messuage called Drain Deen and close of land called Gwrlod vawre, Gwrlod grone, Gwrlod Sampson, Mase y poplar, Mase y pwll, Mase y sychanant, Kae yscallogg, Kae Evan, Pant y salde, Mase cobler, the Twenty Acres, Kae y Ffynon, Gwerlod Drain, Mase y Pwll, Parke dan Kae Sampson, Kae Drain, Kae Clark, Kae duyr law yr tuy, Kae dan y tuy, Kaei Evan, The Four Acres, the Six Acres, Pen y wrlod vawr, Wrlod vach under Mase y Cobler, Gwerlod vain mase cobler, Cyver at the upper end of Gwrlod vain and Kae vach at the upper end of great meadow, in the tenure of --- Vaughan, parcels of land called Kae Pillach, Parke Gwrlod pwder, Mase y pwll, and Mase y gymedon, two parcels of land called the Six Acres, Kae querrell, Cae llyn, Kae kennol, Kae pengam, the eighteen acres, Erw yr bury, Cae bach pen y mote, Ley ycha, Lay yssa and Gwrlod pwll, pieces of land called the seven acres, Kae kennol, Kae pella, Cum y kae pella, Kae kennol isha, Craeg yr erow glan y dwr, Cae dwylont yr dwr coed, Park gwrlodd y park, the three acres, Kae tonn, Kae pant, the three acres under the bwry, Kaw llwyn, The eighteen acres and Gwrlod y broad meadow, also a water corn mill called Tredustone mill in the tenure of ---. Jones, widow, Witnesses, Hen. Williams, John Phillips, Howell Davies (No. 7, CL Deeds, I/1474 Glamorgan archives).

1725, October 23 - Indenture being a lease for a year (so that a grant by release might be made) from Thomas Wynter (third son of Edward Wynter of Tredustan, Co. Brecon, gent.,) to William Wynter gent., (son and heir apparent of the said Edward Wynter) of two fields (purchased from Roger Powell) lying between the Berry and Glandwr and called Kaye Mile, also a piece of ground called Errow pen y berry and a piece of meadow adjoining the orchard of Mr Jones.  Witnesses, Samuel Gibbon, Peter Dammas, Reb. Warner. (No 8, CL Deeds I/1495, Glamorgan archives)

1726 - May 7 - Indenture being a lease for a year (so that a grant by release might be made) from William Wynter of Brecon. gent., to Frances Williams of the same town, widow, of the manor of Tredustan otherwise Durston's town and messuages and lands thereto belonging, in the parishes of Llanvilloe and Talgarth, Co. Brecon and in the tenure of Edward Wynter and William Wynter, also a messuage and lands called Drain duon and closes of lands called Gwrlod vawr, Gwrlod grone, Gwrlod Sampson, Mase y poplar, Mase y pwll, Mase y suchnant, Kae yscallog, Kae Evan pant y slade, Maise cobler, the twenty acres, Kae ffynon, Gwrlod Drain mase y pwll, Pike dan kae Sampson, Kae drain, Kae clack, Kae du ych law yr tuy, Kae dan y tuy, Kae Evan, the four acres, the six acres, Pen yr wrlod vawr, Gwrlod vach under Mase y cobler, Gwrlod vain, Mase cobler, Cyver at the upper end of Gwrlod vain, Kae vach at the upper end of great meadow and late in the tenure of Roger Havard, parcels of land in the tenure of David Walter called Kae pillach, Park Gwrlod pwdwr, Mase y pwll, Mase y cymedow, two pieces of land called the six acres, Kae quarrell, Kae llyn, Kae kenol, Kae bach, Pen y mote, Lay ucha Lay yssa, Gwrlod pwll, parcels of lands in the tenure of Evan John called the seven acres, Kae kenoll, Kea pella, Cwm y kae pella, Kae kenol ysha, Craeg y erw glan y dwr, Cae dwylnont yr dwr, Y coed park gwrlod y park, the three acres, Kae ton, Kae pant, the three acres under the ury, Kae llwyn, the eighteen acres and Gwrlod y broad meadow and a water corn mill called Tredustan's mill.  Witnesses Hen. Williams, Thomas Lloyd, Edward Williams (No 5y, CL Deeds 1/1496, Glamorgan archives).

Penderyn lies on the edge of Glamorgan, it has deep ravines, waterfalls and caverns.  The old rectory no longer exists but when the Rev. William Winter was rector in 1766, he received tithes "of geese, the rector took 1 in 3, of pigs 1 in 3, of wool 1 pound in every 10".

The families of Walwyn and Winters were connected.   In John Winter of Castell Mayet's Will he left a house to his son which had belonged to a Walwyn of Carmarthen.

The advowson of the rectory of Ystrad Gynlais was given to John Walwyn, whose heiress married Walter Winter of Brecon, their son and grandson were Catholics.  In 1738 it was claimed by William Winter by right of patronage.

Inquisitions post mortem show that the Walwyn family held land in Gloucester and Hereford.

William Walwyn held a messuage and land in Rewardy called Hathewys, another messuage, 20 acres of land and 2 acres of meadow in Bicknor, Gloucestershire.

Isabella, one of the daughters and heiresses of Thomas Hathewy, deceased, and wife of Thomas Walwyn is mentioned in an inquisition regarding proof of age.2 acres of land and 2 acres of meadow in Gloucester (Inq. p.m. No. 26 11 Edw. IV).  William Hatheway held St. Briavels (48 Henry III) and Lydney with Guy and Thomas Beauchamp, earls of Warwick, "Buter" (Butler?) and "Gafford" (Gifford?).

Thomas Walwyn owned Stoke Edith manor and the advowson of the church in Hereford (Inq. p.m. No. 21 4 Henry VI).

Thomas Walwyn of Marcle, armiger, held Great Marcle in Herefordshire of Wigmore castle.  (Inq. p. m. No. 134 5 Richard II).  Thomas Walwyn, armiger, held in Hereford and the Welsh Marches - Stoke Edith manor and advowson, a messuage called Tudenor with land and a mill, the manor of Logwardyne or Lugwardine, Walweinsmore and the manor of Dynour.

Agnes Walwyn, wife of Thomas Welyngton - proof of age in Hereford (No. 21 4 Henry VI).

Eleanor, wife of John Walwyn, armiger, deceased, held a third of Welynton manor, and land in Hereford called Outlond.  (No.8. 19 Henry VI).

Eleanor, only daughter and heiress of John Walwyn whom Richard Monnington married is mentioned in an inquisition and a proof of age (Nos. 41 & 13 22 Henry VI) taken at Hereford.

Richard Walwyn held in Herefordshire, Audley's manor in Great Marcle, a messuage in Yatton called Walshe Court, a messuage in Weston called Howel, another in Great Marcle called Bownys, a messuage in Weston-under-Penyard called Bylmyll, a messuage in Putley called Braynys, Aylton manor, Nethercourt manor, Hydesfield manor in Herefordshire (Inq. p. m. No. 32, 7 Edw. IV).

The Winters of Buckinghamshire who have a family legend of connections with the Gunpowder Plot may possibly descend from the Winters of Huddington.  There is a reference in the Bodleian Library (found by Mr W. L. Davies) that Robert Winter of Little Missenden was executed with other conspirators after the Plot and he may well have held this manor.  This family may also have had some connection with John Winter who was buried at Chepping (West) Wycombe, Buckinghamshire.

The manor of Weston Turville in the Aylesbury Hundred of Buckinghamshire consisted of two parts, Weston Molyns and Weston Butlers both of which have connections with the Winters.

Weston Molyns or Moleyns passed to John de Molyns in 1338/4, then to John Molyns and his wife Gille, who held it in 1338-9.  It was then inherited by John Molyns (1346) followed by another John Moleyns and his wife Joan whose second husband was Sir Michael Poynings who held it till his death in 1369 as Joan had no heirs by her first husband.  It then passed to William Molyns (d.1380/1) after which it was held by his widow Margery and inherited by his grandson William de Molyns.  It passed from the latter his son also named William Molyns (d. 1429) whose daughter Eleanor de Molyns married Robert Hungerford (38 Henry V - 1460).  Hungerford was attainted after the battle of Towton and died in 1465.  His wife married secondly Sir Oliver Manningham.  It then passed to Thomas Hungerford, attainted and beheaded in 1469 and then to his daughter Margaret who married Edward Hastings who was created Lord Hungerford.

Sir John Hungerford of Down Ampney whose daughter Elizabeth married Roger Winter of Huddington descended from Eleanor de Molyns and Robert Hungerford.

The second half of Weston Turville was held by the Butlers (arms: "gules, a fesse argent and sable between 7 cross crosslets or").  The manor passed from Roger Croft and Cecilia, heiress of William de Turville to Hugh de Herdebergh in 1254.  (The Turville, Turtville or Valle Torta family were connected by marriage to the Winters of Barningham, Norfolk).  Roger, who died before 1296, inherited it from Hugh.  He had two daughters Ela and Isabel, wives of William le Bottiller (Butler) of Wem and John de Hulles.  The manor passed to Ela, widow of Walter de Hopton then to Edmund Botiller (1346) and subsequently to his brother Edward, both of whom died without heirs so it was divided between his 4 sisters.  Dionisia, the eldest married Hugh de Cokesey (49 Edward III) from whom it passed to Walter Cokesey (1383) followed by Walter Cokesey (d. 1407), to Hugh de Cokesey, his son who was aged 3 when his father died and from him to his sister Joyce, wife of John Greville of Chipping Campden, Gloucestershire, then to his son John Greville (d. 1467) and his son Thomas Greville who took the name of Cokesey (d. 1498/9) and from him to his cousins Elizabeth and Margery, daughters of Thomas Huddington, descendants of Joyce Cokesey's sister Cecily.  In 1500 Elizabeth, wife of Robert Russell and Margery, wife of Robert Winter sold it to Sir Reginald Bray.

Now the Cokesey lands in Worcestershire (including Huddington and the manor of Bramley, Surrey) were divided between Agnes, wife of William Russell and Joan, wife of Roger Winter of Wych.  It is uncertain whether the Buckinghamshire records are erroneous or whether Thomas Huddington actually had 4 daughters who married two brothers Winter and two brothers Russell.  Whilst the names Robert and Roger are often interchanged, it is unlikely that Agnes and Joan should be confused with Margery and Elizabeth Huddington or Robert with William Russell.

Turville was held in 1771 by Jane Winter.

Another Buckinghamshire manor, Saunderton, was held at the Dissolution of the Abbeys (1539) by Thomas Winter, the tenant.  In 1616 Letters of Administrations were given to Lidia Winter alias Chatwyn, grand daughter (by his son) of John Winter of Saunderton Grange (p.74, Index Library Vol. III, Administrations, Prerogative Court of Canterbury).

Letters of Administration were also given in respect of William Winter of Wycombe, Buckinghamshire on 9.11.1647 to his widow Anne (227 Fines, Index Library Vol. III administrations PCC).

The families of Winter of Penn and Water Pond Farm or Boot Farm in Watchet Lane, Little Missenden (so-called because it had a yew tree cut in the shape of a parabola with a boot on top), both in Buckinghamshire, may well be descendants of Huddington.

Fig. 84 - Winter of Penn, Buckinghamshire.

William Winter of Penn > Thomas Winter of Penn possibly the same person as Thomas Winter the elder of Little Missenden > Thomas Winter the younger = (1) Anne Tilby 1709 and possibly (2) Jane >:

a. Thomas Winter = Alice (d. 1746) and possibly (2) Mary in 1749 >Thomas Winter an

    infant.

b. John Winter (b.1710) = Sarah > John Winter (b. 1736) = Elizabeth > John Winter

    (1754-1845) = Sarah >

c. Thomas Winter (b. 1789 = Selina Burton "the Gypsy" >:

    1. John Thomas Winter (b. 1814)

    2. William Crispin Winter (b. 1815)

    3. Samuel Thomas Winter (1820-1900) = Mary > Thomas Winter (1855-1939)

        = Lizzie Dean (1859-1912) > Frank Thomas Winter (b. 1898) = Margaret Irene

        Neave > David Frank Thomas Winter (b.1932) = Eileen Mary Gillett > Richard

        David Winter (b.1863).  Also descendants through the female line up to the present

    4. Crispin Winter

    5. William Winter

    6. Albert Winter

d. William Winter (b.1723) = Mary > Thomas Winter (b.1747) = Rebecca >:

     A. Thomas Wintrer (b. 1777) an infant

     B. William Winter (b. 1782)

The Boot Farm family (papers in the possession of Mr Frank T. Winter of Greengarth) may start with William Winter of Penn and his son Thomas possibly the same person as Thomas the elder who is the first Winter traced in Missenden records.

William Winter of Penn appears with 35 others in the Charter of 1665 granted by Charles II to commoners on Holmer Heath in confirmation of an earlier charter from Henry "by the Grace of God, King of England and of France and Lord of Ireland" possibly Henry VI (1432-61 & 1470-1).  He may have been a descendant of John Winter of Chesham who lived in Queen Elizabeth I's reign.

The name Thomas Winter appears at least 5 times in Penn records between 1683 and 1702 as well as Great Missenden and Hughenden.  Penn church has a tenor bell inscibed "Unto the church I do you call, deth to the grave will summans all - Thomas Winter and William Wingrove 1702".  A Thomas Winter of Penn received 2d from the parish for killing a snake, another appeared at the Buckinghamshire Sessions in 1683 for not attending church, Thomas Winter (perhaps the same man) had the duty of assessing fines at a manor court 5 years later, becoming church warden and donor of the tenor bell and Thomas Winter of Great Missenden and Hughenden was indicted for swearing.  John Winter of Penn of 1735 charged half a crown for "curing the widow Lovindon of the itch", two John Winters, father and son, were church wardens in Little Limenden in the mid-18th century.

Samuel Winter described as "ever sober, strictly honest and trustworthy and deserving of recommendation" was a general of artillery at Amersham, joining the Metropolitan police which he left with a good character in 1872.

Thomas Winter the elder of Little Missenden, a yeoman, handed over Boot Farm to his son Thomas by a lease dated 1709 keeping "the room over the drink house and the room over the gatehouse with liberty to use the kitchen and the drink house and to have the closet wherein his wool is, until the wool is sold."  Thomas the elder is first recorded in a document of 1701 when he bought some acres of land, possibly to add to Waterpond Farm which consisted of about 35 acres in 1709.  His son Thomas the younger does appear in Missenden parish records when he married Anne Tilby.  Thomas the elder and his son Thomas made an agreement in 1709 and by his Will dated 1722 bequeathed Boot Farm and lands to his sons Thomas and John with an annuity to Jane, assumed to be his second wife.  There was an inventory of his goods made in 1746.  She may possibly have been that Jane who held Turville in 1777.

Thomas Winter the Younger bought land in 1701.  His marriage to Ann Tilby in 1709 is the first of the entries concerning the Winters in the Little Missenden parish register.  His son John was church warden of Little Missenden in 1736-38 and possibly a second time in 1760-61.

John Winter (1754-1845) - The Will of John Winter dated 1822 (later amended) gifted land to his son Thomas including Waterpond Farm which consisted of "the dwelling house, gardens, barnyards and buildings together with 8 closes of orchard, meadow and arable land containing about 13 acres to enjoy the same with the rents, issues and profits therefrom to his own behoof and benefit during the term of his natural life"  He also gave to his son Samuel and his five daughters Mary, Anne, Penelope, Sarah and Abigail "equally share and share alike all my growing crops of corn, grains, grass, fruit and pasturage which shall grow thereon or issue therefrom until the feast day of St. Michael leaving the dung and manure arising therefrom in the said yards for the benefit of all my said land."  The trustee of his was W. H. Axten.  A deed of gift dated 1893 shows Boot Farm having less than 16 acres including a small part of Stony Fields (site of the Windsor Lodge Hotel) so some member of the family must have sold 9 acres at the end of the 19th century.

His Will of 1822 was not the only one he made, there were 3 Wills in all, the last made in 1844 at the age of almost 90.

He was the trustee who signed and sealed the Deed of Mortgage of 1795 (securing £30 and interest) found in 1969 by the Paris Correspondent of the "Daily Telegraph" and "Morning Post" in a bookstall on the bank of the river Seine and he sent a photocopy to the vicar of Little Missenden.

"This Indenture made the 13th day of August in the year of our Lord One Thousand Seven Hundred and Ninety Five in the Thirty Fifth year of our Sovereign Lord George the Third by the Grace of God of Great Britain, France and Ireland, King, Defender of the Faith, between Richard Beeson of the parish of Little Missenden in the County of Bucks and John Winter of the same parish, farmer (a trustee of the said Richard Beeson) of the one part and John Denton of the parish of Wendover, cordwainer of the other part, witnesseth that for and in consideration of the sum of £30 of lawful money of Great Britain to the said Richard Beeson in hand well and truly paid by the said John Denton at or immediately before the sealing and delivery of these presents.  The receipt whereof the said Richard Beeson doth hereby acknowledge and thereof doth acquit release and discharge the said Richard Beeson, his executors, administrators and assigns forever by these presents.  And also in consideration of the sum of 5 shillings of the money of the said John Winter in hand likewise paid by the said John Denton as to before the execution hereof.  The receipt whereof is hereby acknowledged.  The said Richard Beeson and also the said John Winter at the request and by the direction and appointment of the said Richard Beeson (testified by his being a part to and his sealing and delivery of these presents) have and each of them hath, granted, bargained, sold demised, leased and to farm letten.  And by these presents do and each of them doth grant, bargain, sell, demise, lease and to farm let unto the said John Denton, his executors, administrators and assigns, all that cottage or tenement with the appurtenances together with all outhouses, buildings, yards, gardens, lanes., tenements and premises to the same belonging or in anywise appertaining and also all that orchard or piece of pasture or meadow ground containing by estimation half an acre (be the same more or less) near or adjoining to the said cottage or tenement which the said hereditaments and premises are situate, lying and being at Little Kingshill in the said parish of Little Missenden in the said County of Bucks and were heretofore in the tenure of Lawrence Bolar since in the tenure or occupation of Thomas Appleby and are now in the possession and occupation of Thomas Beeson, father of the said Richard Beeson or his assigns and all ways, waters, watercourses, commons, rights, commodities, liberties, advantages and appurtenances whatsoever etc. etc.  In Witness whereof the said parties of these presents have hereunto set their hands and seals the day and year first above-written.  The mark of Richard Beeson, seal.  John Winter, seal.  John Denton, seal".

Thomas Winter (b. 1798) was husband of Selina Burton "the Gypsy".  His son John Thomas Winter was heir to Boot Farm and died in 1900 having conveyed the property to his nephew Thomas.  Thomas Winter's son, Mr Frank T. Winter (b. 1898) of Greengarth, moved to Wycombe Heath Farm 3 years later with his younger sister.  The remains of Boot Farm were sold in 1915.  Mr Frank Winter's grandfather Samuel Thomas Winter of Wycombe Heath Farm is buried at Holmer Green Baptist chapel with his wife Mary.

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