I snagged into the Payne line in early 1060ish in England. There is a Payne Peverel whom I am suspecting is son of William Peverel the Elder (son of the Conqueror). This means one of William Peverel the Elder's missing three wives was a native English Payne (most likely Ingelric blooded) so they named this Knight son Payne Peverel. Researchers are copying each other have him hooked as son of Randolph and Ingelrica. There is much question on him. They basically say, "there is a Payne- Paganus-Pain Peverel".

Do they have two mixed up. Is there a Paganus Peverel son of Randolph and Ingelrica , and also a Payne Peverel grandson of the Conqueror through his son William Peverel. I think so!!! Something is rotten in Denmark!

Payne Paganus Peverel is a Knight, goes to Crusade in Jerusalem is Killed, but he leaves a son also a Knight named William who then follows the crusades again to Jerusalem and also is killed in 1148 ending the male line. This crusader knight is from Ingelrica territory near London in Borne and Cambridge in Eng. That may be WHY they connect Paganus to Randolph? It is also possible that Payne Peverel son of William Peverel and wife miss? Payne is over there because he has connections with his Grandmother Ingelrica.

Ingelrica is for sure Grandmother in either case. If Randolph is a brother of the Conqueror he has like blood also of the Conqueror even if the Conqueror is a uncle instead of a father.

When this Payne Peverel line ends with killed knight William Peverel, William's sole heir is William Peverel the Younger, The Elder is also now dead. This is to suspicious. Was there no male or female lines left at all in the Randolph Ingelrica descendancy? If not it would divert to William Peverel the Younger of Peverel Peak Castle in Derbyshire. Or is he from the Derbyshire, Nottingham line from William the Elder? The shropshire Castle just out of Owestry in Shropshire County, England was part of the inheritance William the Younger received. Check this out: The name of that castle is Whittington Castle. William Peverel the elder had formerly hosted a Grand Tournament at Peverel Castle of the Peak. He awarded the hand of MELLETT PEVEREL and Whittington Castle to the winner of the tournament Guarinado de Meetz from France (with Conqueror blood also). This means William Peverel the elder has to be the owner of that castle in order for it to have passed down and then used as a gift as dowry for his grandson's (William Peverel son of Payne), daughter Mellette Peverel Guarine. It is not far fetched to assume his son Payne could have also been gifted lands in Sallop, Shropshire County now.

We find Payne Peverel in the chapel and castle Whittington at that time. Payne Peverel had a vision that Nostra Damis has preserved as it came true.

Payne Peverel had the vision in the Castle or chapel (I will have to look) I also have the vision that he had. Payne was being chased across the white plains by leopards. White plains is where King Arthur was called by the Welch (white teeth). Ingelrica comes from this line. Virconium the old first capitol is there in the white plains and those plains hook on to Shropshire. Leopards are the then symbol of the Kingship line from Matilda of Flanders.