Corrections to "Plantagenet Ancestry" , Baynton Page 68
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Baynton page 68
Cites, among other secondary sources:
"The Ancestry of Abel Lunt" by Walter Goodwin Davis. But RPA conveniently fails to note that Davis says quite specifically that "there is thus far no sound documentary evidence found that ... Sir John Baynton's wife and the mother of his heir was Joan, daughter of Sir William de Etchingham". Clearly Davis does NOT support RPA's statement in this case, and citing it in support without qualification is - to put it bluntly - dishonest. [But, to be fair, this is carried forwarded more-or-less verbatim (and apparently unchecked) from PA2 and PA1 - although both of those volumes qualify their record of the marriage by adding "it is said", a hesitation which was dropped by RPA.]
The chronological issue of Joan, wife of Sir John Baynton, having her first child at age 35, ca. 1439, was raised by Louise Staley in a post in February of this year. I don't believe there was any resolution of this then. But the answer may lie in the other known marriage of Sir John Baynton.
Sir John Baynton's widow was Katherine Payne, who was herself widow (as his 3rd wife) of John Stourton, MP, of Preston Plucknet, Somerset, who d. 16 Dec 1438 [see Roskell, HOP 1386-1421, 4:490-2]. Sir John Baynton's son Sir Robert is said to have been 26 at the time his father's IPM in 1465 and thus born ca. 1439. It's not impossible that Katherine Payne and Sir John Baynton married quickly after John Stourton's death and had a son Robert. This seems more acceptable chronologically than the speculative marriage to Joan Echingham. But it clearly remains unproven as well.....
Of course this alternative means that the royal descents for Baynton and Gye go away....oh well....
Gary Boyd Roberts in RD600 covers the Echingham/Baynton/Gye descent, but says that "further documentary proof...would be desirable".
Contribution of John Higgins
F. J. Routledge, ed., _Calendar of the Clarendon State Papers Preserved in
the Bodleian Library_, 5 vols. (Oxford: Clarendon Press, 18[_]-1872), 5:420,
offers a little further proof for Mrs. Anne Baynton Batt of New England:
Sept. 1 [1664], Boston. Anna Baynton to Clarendon. Loyal professions.
Asks favour for a poor widow. Her father had a wine licence confirmed by
Sir Lionel Cranfeelde, afterwards Lord Treasurer, for three lives. Writer
forfeited it through her trustee failing to pay some part of the rent to the
wine office. Hopes the King has not empowered the new commissioners to
annul this grant. Asks him [Clarendon] to consider her desperate case and
get this licence restored to her.
Note that the lady was writing from Boston, Massachusetts, and signed her
maiden name (perhaps to make it easier for Clarendon to determine which wine
licence was intended). Her father, Ferdinando Baynton of Salisbury in
Wiltshire, England, was an innkeeper, hence the wine licence.
Contribution of John Brandon 8 Sep 2005